Looks like a printing defect to me. I have similar cards but nothing quite like that. The interesting part is that the lines don't go all the way across the card. Interesting, but not freakishly unbelievable. I have no trouble buying that the card is real. It'll be worth a few extra dollars to the right person.
If it's identical on both cards then my guess is that it's something that got on the plate and ghosted onto a small number of prints similar to the Charlie Brown Sapphire Medallions. Maybe someone who works in volume printing can elaborate on how exactly this sort of defect can happen.
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I'd say they're real cards. They are just print errors. To some it decreases the value, to others it may garner a few extra bucks. My opinion is that they decrease the value.
I used to collect sports cards pretty heavy and there is a difference between a print defect and misprint. A misprint would be more like her name spelled wrong or words different, that is a print defect kind of like a baseball card being printed off center, people will most likely think of it as worth less.
Yeah unfortunately this is probably worth less than normal. If I were you, I would contact the seller to see about either getting different ones, or getting a few bucks knocked off the price.
While the above posters have noted that many people see such defects as detracting from value, you should know that there is a sizable community which pays a premium for these things. I myself maintain a collection of miscut, misinked, crimped, etc. cards which I have happily paid a premium for. The more dramatic the defect, the more it is worth. What you show here is relatively minor but if you look around sites that deal in cards like this you will see that it is not unreasonable to ask for and expect to get more than you would for a normal copy, even if by just a small margin.
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This is a very odd misprint for the press that prints magic cards. I see this defect all the time in high quality digital printing. However, this is not a digital printed error. You can clearly see that its a problem with the black separation and not something throughout the entire spectrum of the card. Most notable above her knees.
I do not know the exact cause of the misprint, but in my opinion, the defect shows a very high quality of print.
This is a very odd misprint for the press that prints magic cards. I see this defect all the time in high quality digital printing. However, this is not a digital printed error. You can clearly see that its a problem with the black separation and not something throughout the entire spectrum of the card. Most notable above her knees.
I do not know the exact cause of the misprint, but in my opinion, the defect shows a very high quality of print.
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Any info on the setup they may use for running these? It would be interesting to know and might help with an answer.
This looks like a error in the plate making process. On press errors are normally when a print is light, dark, heavy shades of CMYK or registration issues. This isn't the case here. Most other print errors are either form separation issues or a plate issue. Which imo, is where this ones falls. The fact that all Liliana don't show the same flaw or something similar don't point to Wizards/Artist art issue. That brings it to the pre-press/plate issue level. From there it is hard to pinpoint exactly. It could have just been the plate exposed wrong, plate being handled wrong prior to printing or the plate just flat wearing out.
I'm rather puzzled. What's the printing machinery used for Magic cards? Assuming the plates are actually cylindrical, are the lines longitudinal (e.g. scratches to a running machine) or transverse (e.g. localized damage at specific locations of a stopped machine)? What sort of damage can add lines only to dark regions rather than along the whole line?
While the above posters have noted that many people see such defects as detracting from value, you should know that there is a sizable community which pays a premium for these things. I myself maintain a collection of miscut, misinked, crimped, etc. cards which I have happily paid a premium for. The more dramatic the defect, the more it is worth. What you show here is relatively minor but if you look around sites that deal in cards like this you will see that it is not unreasonable to ask for and expect to get more than you would for a normal copy, even if by just a small margin.
I don't know how to say this without sounding like a jerk but i think you are wasting your money on defective cards and whoever started a market for such cards duped you into thinking this. Having a card named Liliaaana i can see someone paying extra for, kind of a novelty though, but a couple black lines is nothing worth getting all excited for.
Even taking out misprint, defect or whatever we want to call it all a misprinted card is, is a mistake. It's rare and someone who is trying to sell you on it being rare is only trying to steal money off you because he is selling a mistake and packaging it as "unique". Would you want a car that has a big black line down it's white paint? The car salesman says it was a paint misprint and it's unique and rare! Sounds like bs to me.
I don't know how to say this without sounding like a jerk but i think you are wasting your money on defective cards and whoever started a market for such cards duped you into thinking this. Having a card named Liliaaana i can see someone paying extra for, kind of a novelty though, but a couple black lines is nothing worth getting all excited for.
Even taking out misprint, defect or whatever we want to call it all a misprinted card is, is a mistake. It's rare and someone who is trying to sell you on it being rare is only trying to steal money off you because he is selling a mistake and packaging it as "unique". Would you want a car that has a big black line down it's white paint? The car salesman says it was a paint misprint and it's unique and rare! Sounds like bs to me.
well in the case that you come across anything like this, you just send them to me.
I don't know how to say this without sounding like a jerk but i think you are wasting your money on defective cards and whoever started a market for such cards duped you into thinking this. Having a card named Liliaaana i can see someone paying extra for, kind of a novelty though, but a couple black lines is nothing worth getting all excited for.
Even taking out misprint, defect or whatever we want to call it all a misprinted card is, is a mistake. It's rare and someone who is trying to sell you on it being rare is only trying to steal money off you because he is selling a mistake and packaging it as "unique". Would you want a car that has a big black line down it's white paint? The car salesman says it was a paint misprint and it's unique and rare! Sounds like bs to me.
Your point is valid. I simply don't agree. So do a LOT of other people. Check out this thread called "What is the most pimp card/deck you've seen or owned" here: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=103495
Do a search in there for "misprint" or "miscut" or "crimped". You'll find it enlightening.
Here's an all misprint deck that was posted there not too long ago; check the responses it got: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=8406021&post8406021
You won't see anyone say "What a shame that your cards are all defective." But someone did say "That is the greatest thing I've ever seen." I just want you to understand that I'm far from alone in my feelings on this.
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probably scumming from the press (too much ink, not enough water, or bad water etc). Looks to have been a part of an early print shortly after makeready. Since not all of the black is messy, I'm guessing this is part of the second unit of Black on the press (often typical if one is giving extra darkness depth to a print)
I received today 2x Liliana of the Veil from a TCGPlayer purchase.
I immediately noticed, on both, a strange straight line. Looking closer, I noticed a lot of 'em. Both cards have these identical lines.
Google-fu turned up nothing, so I am asking here if this is normal?
The original pic is huge, 8+mb. Here's a thumbnail, click it for the big one. I've circled the lines for ease.
These have passed light, bend, and magnification tests. The lines do not rub off, nor does any of the card ink.
If it's identical on both cards then my guess is that it's something that got on the plate and ghosted onto a small number of prints similar to the Charlie Brown Sapphire Medallions. Maybe someone who works in volume printing can elaborate on how exactly this sort of defect can happen.
Every English card ever printed: 99.02%
Arabian Nights through Lorwyn: Complete
Alpha: 94.2% Beta: 95.0%
Unlimited through M10: Complete
Every English card ever printed: 99.02%
Arabian Nights through Lorwyn: Complete
Alpha: 94.2% Beta: 95.0%
Unlimited through M10: Complete
I do not know the exact cause of the misprint, but in my opinion, the defect shows a very high quality of print.
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Dear god, this is the first time I've put my loop on a Magic card. My nerdiness is getting in my expertise!
Any info on the setup they may use for running these? It would be interesting to know and might help with an answer.
This looks like a error in the plate making process. On press errors are normally when a print is light, dark, heavy shades of CMYK or registration issues. This isn't the case here. Most other print errors are either form separation issues or a plate issue. Which imo, is where this ones falls. The fact that all Liliana don't show the same flaw or something similar don't point to Wizards/Artist art issue. That brings it to the pre-press/plate issue level. From there it is hard to pinpoint exactly. It could have just been the plate exposed wrong, plate being handled wrong prior to printing or the plate just flat wearing out.
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I bought these to alter so I'm not too concerned. It was just interesting to see.
I don't know how to say this without sounding like a jerk but i think you are wasting your money on defective cards and whoever started a market for such cards duped you into thinking this. Having a card named Liliaaana i can see someone paying extra for, kind of a novelty though, but a couple black lines is nothing worth getting all excited for.
Even taking out misprint, defect or whatever we want to call it all a misprinted card is, is a mistake. It's rare and someone who is trying to sell you on it being rare is only trying to steal money off you because he is selling a mistake and packaging it as "unique". Would you want a car that has a big black line down it's white paint? The car salesman says it was a paint misprint and it's unique and rare! Sounds like bs to me.
well in the case that you come across anything like this, you just send them to me.
Your point is valid. I simply don't agree. So do a LOT of other people. Check out this thread called "What is the most pimp card/deck you've seen or owned" here: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=103495
Do a search in there for "misprint" or "miscut" or "crimped". You'll find it enlightening.
Here's an all misprint deck that was posted there not too long ago; check the responses it got: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=8406021&post8406021
You won't see anyone say "What a shame that your cards are all defective." But someone did say "That is the greatest thing I've ever seen." I just want you to understand that I'm far from alone in my feelings on this.
Every English card ever printed: 99.02%
Arabian Nights through Lorwyn: Complete
Alpha: 94.2% Beta: 95.0%
Unlimited through M10: Complete
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