First OP: I imagine this is the proper forum. What I am asking the Magic community, is this: Has anyone else encountered missing foil rares, especially from the Khans block?? I have both a Khans of Tarkir and a Dragons of Tarkir box missing at least the one foil rare (still waiting to open my third Dragons box).
I've been opening boxes since Onslaught block and I have NEVER experienced a box missing at least one foil rare. I mean, hell, in Theros block I received at least 2 foil rares in each of my half-cases from all three sets; Theros, specifically, had 3 foil rares in each of my 3 boxes. And I just opened a Magic 2015 box with two mythic rare foils. What's going on with Khans block? Is anyone else experiencing this?? And can I contact Wizards like one can do so with damaged cards from sealed product (I have some damaged cards to send back anyways)???
To whomever replies, I thank you for any information.
I'm not really sure what you mean; if you just mean that you opened some boxes where all the foils were non-rare cards, that just happens as a normal result of the randomness of foil distributions. They don't stack the boxes with guaranteed foil rares or anything like that.
If you mean that you opened packs that were missing a common, i.e., should have had a foil, but didn't, that would be a different matter.
Yeah, we're talking numerical distribution here. Ideally there would be one foil rare/mythic per box, but that's because the probability suggests there is.
Does that mean that a box is guaranteed to have one? No. Does that mean if you open a second box you are guaranteed to have one? No, though the probability of you opening one does increase.
I'm not really sure what you mean; if you just mean that you opened some boxes where all the foils were non-rare cards, that just happens as a normal result of the randomness of foil distributions. They don't stack the boxes with guaranteed foil rares or anything like that.
If you mean that you opened packs that were missing a common, i.e., should have had a foil, but didn't, that would be a different matter.
Yes, all foils were non-rare. I suppose it does happen as it has finally happened to me. I had always assumed (at least) one foil rare card was guaranteed. But I suppose that's no longer true with new boxes, as any foil replaces a non-foil common nowadays, whereas, with older boxes the foil rarity would take place of a card of that same rarity. This is where my assumption was formed as every old box I have ever opened had 35 non-foil rares and one foil rare in that 36th pack.
Yeah, we're talking numerical distribution here. Ideally there would be one foil rare/mythic per box, but that's because the probability suggests there is.
Does that mean that a box is guaranteed to have one? No. Does that mean if you open a second box you are guaranteed to have one? No, though the probability of you opening one does increase.
Noted. I guess I have always assumed based on my experiences that one guaranteed foil rare was the way things were as that was my personal experience since Onslaught block. It does stand to question, why each of my Theros boxes had 3 foil rares and both a Khans and a Dragons box of mine had no foil rares at all. Just strange, I suppose. I hope it hasn't happened to many others because it IS a total bummer.
Interesting, I hadn't actually known that about old boxes. With the way it currently works, every card shows up the same number of times on the foil sheets, so ~20-something% of the foils are randomly rares. I believe the average still works out to ~1 foil rare/box, but you sometimes get more or less.
I opened 5 boxes of khans of tarkir (made in belgium) from the same case. When counting the number of foils, I noticed the following:
*I opened one or two foil rares from each box (in total i had 1 foil mythic)
*I opened 3 or 4 foil commons (a basic land is a common for me) from each box
*I opened 2 boxes with 0 foil uncommons and 3 boxes with 1 foil uncommon.
So a total of 3 foil uncommons from 5 boxes.
For me this was the first set where the foil distribution was "off" as well, but luckily I got my rare foils
WotC has never guaranteed any number of foils in boxes. In the printers on average every five (4,75) booster gets a foil. Foils are printed in similar print sheets as any other cards. 121 cards per sheet. There have been several different variations over the years, sets with multiple different common sheets etc, which change the amount of times each common appears on the sheets.
But for packaging. The foils are sorted together through some algorithm, which places cards from the land sheet, common sheet, uncommon sheet and rare sheet into a hopper, which adds the foil into one line of boosters, where there's only 10 commons. Then these boosters are added into regular boosters somewhere in the packaging line. WotC promises 1 foil for approximately every 67 cards.
For each box over large enough sample size this means 8 foils. But for a single box you are not guaranteed to get them, or to get any specific rarities. You got really lucky to get 3 foil rares in some boxes, and somebody else got stuck with zero foil rare boxes. So again open 100+ cases and you will open some 3 foil rare boxes to get closer to propabilities, otherwise they are approximations, not something you are guaranteed.
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I've been opening boxes since Onslaught block and I have NEVER experienced a box missing at least one foil rare. I mean, hell, in Theros block I received at least 2 foil rares in each of my half-cases from all three sets; Theros, specifically, had 3 foil rares in each of my 3 boxes. And I just opened a Magic 2015 box with two mythic rare foils. What's going on with Khans block? Is anyone else experiencing this?? And can I contact Wizards like one can do so with damaged cards from sealed product (I have some damaged cards to send back anyways)???
To whomever replies, I thank you for any information.
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If you mean that you opened packs that were missing a common, i.e., should have had a foil, but didn't, that would be a different matter.
Does that mean that a box is guaranteed to have one? No. Does that mean if you open a second box you are guaranteed to have one? No, though the probability of you opening one does increase.
Yes, all foils were non-rare. I suppose it does happen as it has finally happened to me. I had always assumed (at least) one foil rare card was guaranteed. But I suppose that's no longer true with new boxes, as any foil replaces a non-foil common nowadays, whereas, with older boxes the foil rarity would take place of a card of that same rarity. This is where my assumption was formed as every old box I have ever opened had 35 non-foil rares and one foil rare in that 36th pack.
Cheers for the reply.
Noted. I guess I have always assumed based on my experiences that one guaranteed foil rare was the way things were as that was my personal experience since Onslaught block. It does stand to question, why each of my Theros boxes had 3 foil rares and both a Khans and a Dragons box of mine had no foil rares at all. Just strange, I suppose. I hope it hasn't happened to many others because it IS a total bummer.
Thanks for the response. Cheers!
Just random chance. The sample size of the number of boxes you've bought compared to how many are out there on the market is vanishingly small.
*I opened one or two foil rares from each box (in total i had 1 foil mythic)
*I opened 3 or 4 foil commons (a basic land is a common for me) from each box
*I opened 2 boxes with 0 foil uncommons and 3 boxes with 1 foil uncommon.
So a total of 3 foil uncommons from 5 boxes.
For me this was the first set where the foil distribution was "off" as well, but luckily I got my rare foils
But for packaging. The foils are sorted together through some algorithm, which places cards from the land sheet, common sheet, uncommon sheet and rare sheet into a hopper, which adds the foil into one line of boosters, where there's only 10 commons. Then these boosters are added into regular boosters somewhere in the packaging line. WotC promises 1 foil for approximately every 67 cards.
For each box over large enough sample size this means 8 foils. But for a single box you are not guaranteed to get them, or to get any specific rarities. You got really lucky to get 3 foil rares in some boxes, and somebody else got stuck with zero foil rare boxes. So again open 100+ cases and you will open some 3 foil rare boxes to get closer to propabilities, otherwise they are approximations, not something you are guaranteed.
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