i'm doing this as a service for the community to make aware of how to detect the fakes so we can stop people from getting scammed and kill the liquidity of these cards from entering the card pool.
be patient with me as i have never used twitch in my life.
Okay, so you can tell these fakes by a few criteria, as mentioned on the stream:
perfectly rounded corners
dot-matrix pattern on the mana symbols (not sure if this requires a jeweler's loupe to spot, but normal cards apparently aren't covered in the pattern)
slightly glossier front & back
more space between letters, especially in rules text (less kerning)
These days, some wizards are finding they have a little too much deck left at the end of their $$$.
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dot-matrix pattern on the mana symbols (not sure if this requires a jeweler's loupe to spot, but normal cards apparently aren't covered in the pattern)
slightly glossier front & back
Not exactly. There is a dot matrix pattern used on mana symbols, although it's not identical to the rest of the card. The parts of the card that aren't in a dot matric, are the borders, and the font/symbols. Like the black mana symbols within the mana symbols, or the lettering which is normally flush against the card. I haven't inspected these fakes, but based on what I've read it seems they too have flush font on them. See my image for details.
Also, some printings of sealed decks have a glossy finish. This lead a lot of people to believe their event deck Thragtusks were fake.
I've been trying to push my editor/producer to do an episode on counterfeit cards for a while now on Judge's Corner. We've gotten our hands on a few fakes to show, but nothing like the quality of these fakes.
The flaw in this plan is that counterfeiters know how to use youtube...
Any characteristics that float to the top in the community as the best ways to spot a fake automatically become #1 priority for fixing on the part of counterfeiters.
My video, or OP's? My video is not yet produced. Still waiting on some content, looking to get my hands on some more fakes to show and destroy on camera, and waiting on Richard to e-mail WotC for me.
Not exactly. There is a dot matrix pattern used on mana symbols, although it's not identical to the rest of the card. The parts of the card that aren't in a dot matric, are the borders, and the font/symbols. Like the black mana symbols within the mana symbols, or the lettering which is normally flush against the card. I haven't inspected these fakes, but based on what I've read it seems they too have flush font on them. See my image for details.
Also, some printings of sealed decks have a glossy finish. This lead a lot of people to believe their event deck Thragtusks were fake.
I've been trying to push my editor/producer to do an episode on counterfeit cards for a while now on Judge's Corner. We've gotten our hands on a few fakes to show, but nothing like the quality of these fakes.
I'm pretty sure that discussing where to buy fake cards is not allowed here on MTGSalvation.
I'm also sure that linking that "store" would just raise fake cards availability in the secondary market and that would be a problem for that many players that, like me, buy singles not boosters.
I am also pretty sure that its not really a store, but you could probably find it on the well known chinese selling manufacturers suppliers exporters and importers cheap crap website if you look hard enough.
They won't take orders from some guy who wants less than 500 of something anyway. Don't even attempt to buy unofficial reprints on Alibaba, they're probably receiving a flurry of communication anyway.
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These days, some wizards are finding they have a little too much deck left at the end of their $$$.
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I do wish the video was saved, missed it... was admining a garry's mod trouble in terrorist town server again, very busy night and wanted to watch it from the crap-tastic Steam browser instead of trying to play the game in a window with firefox eating up more resources, but the people at Valve made a crap browser and I couldn't watch it. /sadface
I'm also sure that linking that "store" would just raise fake cards availability in the secondary market and that would be a problem for that many players that, like me, buy singles not boosters.
Yeah - but that would require people wanting to order from them in the first place, the bulk requirement making that harder, and people feeling safe w. using credit card information, etc in purchasing from them in the first place - and I doubt there'd be enough people crazy enough to do that here.
I missed the twitch video. How did you get these card? did you order them from china or something, or have you actually find them somewhere close tot you?
He said he got scammed on ebay but got his money back. He tore up one of the big $ fakes on his stream.
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Not exactly. There is a dot matrix pattern used on mana symbols, although it's not identical to the rest of the card. The parts of the card that aren't in a dot matric, are the borders, and the font/symbols. Like the black mana symbols within the mana symbols, or the lettering which is normally flush against the card. I haven't inspected these fakes, but based on what I've read it seems they too have flush font on them. See my image for details.
Also, some printings of sealed decks have a glossy finish. This lead a lot of people to believe their event deck Thragtusks were fake.
I've been trying to push my editor/producer to do an episode on counterfeit cards for a while now on Judge's Corner. We've gotten our hands on a few fakes to show, but nothing like the quality of these fakes.
Any characteristics that float to the top in the community as the best ways to spot a fake automatically become #1 priority for fixing on the part of counterfeiters.
My video, or OP's? My video is not yet produced. Still waiting on some content, looking to get my hands on some more fakes to show and destroy on camera, and waiting on Richard to e-mail WotC for me.
OP's stream is in his original post.
Did you see the announcement for M15?.. they are changing the card design and adding a Holotag to rares prevent counterfeiting.
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I'm pretty sure that discussing where to buy fake cards is not allowed here on MTGSalvation.
I'm also sure that linking that "store" would just raise fake cards availability in the secondary market and that would be a problem for that many players that, like me, buy singles not boosters.
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Yeah - but that would require people wanting to order from them in the first place, the bulk requirement making that harder, and people feeling safe w. using credit card information, etc in purchasing from them in the first place - and I doubt there'd be enough people crazy enough to do that here.
He said he got scammed on ebay but got his money back. He tore up one of the big $ fakes on his stream.
Considering that Wizards don't make any money off the secondary market, I don't see why they would need to do anything.