Nope she is a Maro-Sorcerer who looks very human. Check the wiki. No were dose it say all Maro-Sorcerers have to be made of wood or look like a pile of leaves and really you don't get a good picture of her on Titania's song. The Vanguard card gives you a better picture she has a dryad thing going on there and is coming up out of flowers.
As to Tevesh Szat to each there own I was talking about what the art would look like not necessarily how people feel about the character. As to his sanity you should remember that "...measures of sanity among planeswalkers are hard to come by."
While I am at it I thought of a possible blue Tawnos. Its a long shot but it would amuse me to have the commanders being Teferi and Tawnos.
Huh? That was interesting to learn.
There have been a number of sane ones, of course, even the sanest of planeswalkers may have spent a few hundred years as a raving mad-person. That said, both Feroz and Serra seemed perfectly sane in their few appearances. >.<
Tawnos could be fun, but it wouldn't really be the same without Ashnod.
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What about Squee in red ? When he dies, return him to the battlefield at the beginning of the next upkeep with 1 loyalty counter
Also a new koth would be nice
Considering that Squee is not a planeswalker, and never have been. Then no.
As for a new Koth, that would be nice, but since he isn't a walker from M:TG's past, and is currently still active (in the Mirran Resistance), I find it highly doubtful that he'll be the red walker for the upcoming commander product.
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I'm getting real tired of this "Squee as a planeswalker" idea. If he had the spark, it would have flared in one of the many, many times he almost-died or actually-died-then-came-back during the Weatherlight saga. Not off-screen post-Apocalypse.
Yes, he can even be still alive, maybe. As a Legendary Creature, not a planeswalker.
I'm getting real tired of this "Squee as a planeswalker" idea. If he had the spark, it would have flared in one of the many, many times he almost-died or actually-died-then-came-back during the Weatherlight saga. Not off-screen post-Apocalypse.
Yes, he can even be still alive, maybe. As a Legendary Creature, not a planeswalker.
Doug has mentioned that more than one character from the Weatherlight crew are still canonically alive when asked if Squee was still around so... Yeah, the immortal goblin is probably still around.
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Badass immortal goblin skyship captain, with centuries of experience, veteran of the ultimate war, flying over the post-apocalyptical Dominaria? Oh yeah. No need to be planeswalker to be awesome.
Badass immortal goblin skyship captain, with centuries of experience, veteran of the ultimate war, flying over the post-apocalyptical Dominaria? Oh yeah. No need to be planeswalker to be awesome.
Except, the Weatherlight no longer exists, it was absorbed together with the rest of the Legacy Artifacts to become/trigger the Legacy Weapon.
But yeah, Squee is probably the Immortal Emperor of goblin-kind in Dominaria. Which is kinda hilarious to imagine.
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Badass immortal goblin skyship captain, with centuries of experience, veteran of the ultimate war, flying over the post-apocalyptical Dominaria? Oh yeah. No need to be planeswalker to be awesome.
Except, the Weatherlight no longer exists, it was absorbed together with the rest of the Legacy Artifacts to become/trigger the Legacy Weapon.
But yeah, Squee is probably the Immortal Emperor of goblin-kind in Dominaria. Which is kinda hilarious to imagine.
Yes, I know the skyship Weatherlight is gone. But Sisay, Tahngarth and Squee gained a new ship, "Victory", later, and kept having adventures. (I could swear it was a new skyship, but after a little research I'm not sure).
From there I'm speculating Squee may be alive, but Sisay and Tanhgarth don't, so the goblin becomes the leader of the ship up to this day.
I would like to see Slobad.... a red commander that likes artifacts and plays well with the Goblin welder. Sounds like a decent building point to me, throw in gamble just to be safe.
I would like to see Slobad.... a red commander that likes artifacts and plays well with the Goblin welder. Sounds like a decent building point to me, throw in gamble just to be safe.
I would like to see Slobad.... a red commander that likes artifacts and plays well with the Goblin welder. Sounds like a decent building point to me, throw in gamble just to be safe.
I think Oopssorryy meant as a Planeswalker. He was a walker very briefly.
Given the clarification on Blogatog, I think we have to assume that the red planeswalker will be a new character (or at least a post-Lorwyn character). Jaya and Jeska already have [creature] cards and Jaya was pretty much expied as Chandra anyhow, and there isn't an obvious candidate beyond them like Serra for white (some other monored walkers can be named but they're a long way from obvious). Presumably at least one other will also be a new character, it would feel very awkward to have four classic characters and one new creation.
Dunno if it matters to anyone, as a help to figure out how much of each thing we're getting, but I did the math on the new cards vs. cards per deck? It's either 11 unique cards per deck, one cycle where each deck gets 3 cards from it, and a new card for all five decks or 10 unique cards per deck, two cycles where each deck gets 2 cards per cycle, and one new card in all five decks.
Sadly these numbers make me think the chances of two new creature-Legends per deck as unlikely. It also makes me curious as to the cycles separated by deck, since no decks share colors they have to be artifacts or lands of some kind.
Additionally, the new cycle of Diamond arts seems well fitted to a new Comm product and doubly so if the comm decks are monocolor (meaning no signets).
Dunno if it matters to anyone, as a help to figure out how much of each thing we're getting, but I did the math on the new cards vs. cards per deck? It's either 11 unique cards per deck, one cycle where each deck gets 3 cards from it, and a new card for all five decks or 10 unique cards per deck, two cycles where each deck gets 2 cards per cycle, and one new card in all five decks.
Sadly these numbers make me think the chances of two new creature-Legends per deck as unlikely. It also makes me curious as to the cycles separated by deck, since no decks share colors they have to be artifacts or lands of some kind.
Compare to the previous Commander products, where each deck had 2 new Mythics (the generals), 6 new rares, 6 new uncommons (three members each of two cycles) and 1 common (Command Tower and Opal Palace, respectively). Given that both of your counts give a great deal more rares (which makes sense, as you note, the uncommons have to be colourless) I'm not sure why you conclude that a second cycle of new Legendary Creatures is unlikely. I can think of other reasons why it's unlikely (we're told about a cycle of planeswalkers and a cycle of legends, if there were two cycles of the latter why not mention them?) but going solely by the numbers I don't really see it. Commander 2011 had its cycle of two-colour legends, remember, and that was included in the 6 rares each deck got.
If the second cycle of new Commander creatures is at Rare I can see them omitting them, I mostly meant a second cycle of new Commanders at Mythic. I'm seeing the other Mythic Commander in each set being a reprinted character. Ob and Avacyn come directly to mind, but that's due to their lite and lean M15 Rare versions.
I tried crunching the numbers with more uncommons but I couldn't get it to work without looking absolutely ridiculous due to the whole monocolor set-up. I also tried it with more commons and that didn't give me really viable numbers either as that'd require a full six commons per deck to balance.
If the second cycle of new Commander creatures is at Rare I can see them omitting them, I mostly meant a second cycle of new Commanders at Mythic. I'm seeing the other Mythic Commander in each set being a reprinted character. Ob and Avacyn come directly to mind, but that's due to their lite and lean M15 Rare versions.
What I'm saying is your numbers give us 10 or 11 rares and mythics per deck (there is no way to determine the division of rares and mythics within this number other than guesswork). In the previous products, it was 8. So I don't see why you take away from these numbers that there isn't room for another mythic cycle. I don't believe there will be, but that's for reasons completely unrelated to the numbers.
I get that Urza is popular, but everytime I'm talking about this product the conversation is totally derailed by "what about URZA?!"
And it's like, okay, he's popular and wwe'd all love to see that card, but really do we thinkit's going to be URza, especially with the blue slot taken.... no.
Also now confirmed that not all of them are premending I think:
Red: PROBABLY Koth. It will be a while before we go back to mirrodin, but he is popular enough to get a second incarnation, good place to do it.
POSSIBLY: Jeska? Why not, these planeswalkers aren't based on their current state, and Jeska comes to mind as a reasonable planeswalker of days past.
A Goblin Planeswalker? It's been a longtime demand of certain folks, and this would be a good place to do it.
UNLIKELY: Jaya Ballard, who is indistinguishable from Chandra in almost every way.
Black: PROBABLY Liliana, because of the Lorwyn 5 she has the least instances
or Leshrac. Likely some kind of necromancer and it will have synergy with that creature.
White. I really am clueless here, I know Gerard isn't a planeswalker and as has been discussed IT DOESN'T MATTER IF HE'S DEAD BECAUSE THIS ISN'T CANON, but people would go crazy for it... just sayin'
True... we might get another Mythic because we have two full cycles of extra cards (61 vs 51 in Comm and Comm13). It is a unique situation and I don't like it, it makes predictions harder to do. Since this is a completely different build structure than the previous two commander decks sets. For instance, any Legendary in the deck can, without edits, become the deck's commander. Which means there's a valid reason to print two new Mythic Commanders in the deck alongside the Walker commanders.
Or they can use the space to give each deck a Mythic utility card that isn't a commander.
All I know is that due to the way the deck is printed I don't expect the landbase to have that many interesting reprints. There will be some, but I expect a lot of basiclands.
White. I really am clueless here, I know Gerard isn't a planeswalker and as has been discussed IT DOESN'T MATTER IF HE'S DEAD BECAUSE THIS ISN'T CANON, but people would go crazy for it... just sayin'
I mentioned his being dead because it means he can't become a planeswalker. There's no loophole for people to say "Ooh, Gerrard might have had the spark and could still become a planeswalker" because his story has been told from start to finish (it's also questionable whether it was even possible that he had the spark in any case, but the completion of his story, I hoped, would satisfy that urge without the need to worry about whether it was technically possible ever). Also, this is not non-canon, it's just not necessarily part of the present timeframe. Teferi was, canonically, a planeswalker. The card is, canonically, correct. It's just showing a point in his life prior to the events of Time Spiral where he lost his spark. The reason I'm making a big deal of this is that there's a difference between "flash back" cards which show events from past storylines that they've decided not to do in Standard-legal sets any more, and "non-canon" cards which show events that didn't happen nor ever will, such as Gerrard being a planeswalker. Unless someone wants to dig up a quote from the Comic-con panel where they say it's non-canon, everything we've seen suggests that this particular card is just a flash back to when Teferi was a planeswalker and this set is not going to break canon in its presentation of any character: they will be correct as at whatever point in the storyline is depicted on the card.
Can somebody please point me to where MaRo said that the walkers were from magics past. The link in the first post says that it will be a cycle of legendary creatures from magics past.
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Can somebody please point me to where MaRo said that the walkers were from magics past. The link in the first post says that it will be a cycle of legendary creatures from magics past.
He didn't say that, he specifically said that not all of them would be. However, the one we've seen is Teferi which means that at least one (and probably two or three, otherwise it would be weird) will be existing characters. It was initially assumed that all of them would be, but it was later clarified that they won't. That's why the first part of this thread is working on that assumption.
So if we know for sure not all of them are oldwalkers,
what are the guesses for the "safe bets"?
Jaya Ballard and Serra seem to have rather passionate fanbases,
and as such,
I'd expect them to be the most likely,
with either new characters or new cards for existing PWs
(or possibly giving a previously off-screen character a card like Gisa)
in Green and Black.
EDIT: I have to add, I feel like the "new cards for existing PWs" option
is probably the least likely, as it opens the door to confusion for newer players.
It will be easier for them to grok why "Geralf, Planeswalker" is not Standard playable
compared to a new version of Sorin or Liliana.
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It will be easier for them to grok why "Geralf, Planeswalker" is not Standard playable
compared to a new version of Sorin or Liliana.
I think that's doing new players a disservice. If you're building a Standard deck you need to know which cards are Standard legal. It's not as though there aren't any versions of Liliana or Sorin who aren't Standard legal (in fact, there isn't any version of Sorin that is legal in Standard!). If someone is so uninformed about the format they're playing that they might think a new card from the Commander product is legal, well why should that be limited to the planeswalkers? They've been adding new cards in side products for three years now without incident, it doesn't make any sense that this would be a consideration. If someone actually believes that the character represented on a card is more important to that card's legality than the set it was actually printed in, well they need more than a short lecture about the format they're attempting to play.
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Huh? That was interesting to learn.
There have been a number of sane ones, of course, even the sanest of planeswalkers may have spent a few hundred years as a raving mad-person. That said, both Feroz and Serra seemed perfectly sane in their few appearances. >.<
Tawnos could be fun, but it wouldn't really be the same without Ashnod.
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Also a new koth would be nice
Considering that Squee is not a planeswalker, and never have been. Then no.
As for a new Koth, that would be nice, but since he isn't a walker from M:TG's past, and is currently still active (in the Mirran Resistance), I find it highly doubtful that he'll be the red walker for the upcoming commander product.
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Yes, he can even be still alive, maybe. As a Legendary Creature, not a planeswalker.
Doug has mentioned that more than one character from the Weatherlight crew are still canonically alive when asked if Squee was still around so... Yeah, the immortal goblin is probably still around.
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Except, the Weatherlight no longer exists, it was absorbed together with the rest of the Legacy Artifacts to become/trigger the Legacy Weapon.
But yeah, Squee is probably the Immortal Emperor of goblin-kind in Dominaria. Which is kinda hilarious to imagine.
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Yes, I know the skyship Weatherlight is gone. But Sisay, Tahngarth and Squee gained a new ship, "Victory", later, and kept having adventures. (I could swear it was a new skyship, but after a little research I'm not sure).
From there I'm speculating Squee may be alive, but Sisay and Tanhgarth don't, so the goblin becomes the leader of the ship up to this day.
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Slobad already has a card. Slobad, Goblin Tinkerer to be specific.
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I think Oopssorryy meant as a Planeswalker. He was a walker very briefly.
Given the clarification on Blogatog, I think we have to assume that the red planeswalker will be a new character (or at least a post-Lorwyn character). Jaya and Jeska already have [creature] cards and Jaya was pretty much expied as Chandra anyhow, and there isn't an obvious candidate beyond them like Serra for white (some other monored walkers can be named but they're a long way from obvious). Presumably at least one other will also be a new character, it would feel very awkward to have four classic characters and one new creation.
Sadly these numbers make me think the chances of two new creature-Legends per deck as unlikely. It also makes me curious as to the cycles separated by deck, since no decks share colors they have to be artifacts or lands of some kind.
Additionally, the new cycle of Diamond arts seems well fitted to a new Comm product and doubly so if the comm decks are monocolor (meaning no signets).
Compare to the previous Commander products, where each deck had 2 new Mythics (the generals), 6 new rares, 6 new uncommons (three members each of two cycles) and 1 common (Command Tower and Opal Palace, respectively). Given that both of your counts give a great deal more rares (which makes sense, as you note, the uncommons have to be colourless) I'm not sure why you conclude that a second cycle of new Legendary Creatures is unlikely. I can think of other reasons why it's unlikely (we're told about a cycle of planeswalkers and a cycle of legends, if there were two cycles of the latter why not mention them?) but going solely by the numbers I don't really see it. Commander 2011 had its cycle of two-colour legends, remember, and that was included in the 6 rares each deck got.
I tried crunching the numbers with more uncommons but I couldn't get it to work without looking absolutely ridiculous due to the whole monocolor set-up. I also tried it with more commons and that didn't give me really viable numbers either as that'd require a full six commons per deck to balance.
What I'm saying is your numbers give us 10 or 11 rares and mythics per deck (there is no way to determine the division of rares and mythics within this number other than guesswork). In the previous products, it was 8. So I don't see why you take away from these numbers that there isn't room for another mythic cycle. I don't believe there will be, but that's for reasons completely unrelated to the numbers.
And it's like, okay, he's popular and wwe'd all love to see that card, but really do we thinkit's going to be URza, especially with the blue slot taken.... no.
Also now confirmed that not all of them are premending I think:
Red: PROBABLY Koth. It will be a while before we go back to mirrodin, but he is popular enough to get a second incarnation, good place to do it.
POSSIBLY: Jeska? Why not, these planeswalkers aren't based on their current state, and Jeska comes to mind as a reasonable planeswalker of days past.
A Goblin Planeswalker? It's been a longtime demand of certain folks, and this would be a good place to do it.
UNLIKELY: Jaya Ballard, who is indistinguishable from Chandra in almost every way.
Black: PROBABLY Liliana, because of the Lorwyn 5 she has the least instances
or Leshrac. Likely some kind of necromancer and it will have synergy with that creature.
White. I really am clueless here, I know Gerard isn't a planeswalker and as has been discussed IT DOESN'T MATTER IF HE'S DEAD BECAUSE THIS ISN'T CANON, but people would go crazy for it... just sayin'
Green. I do know why not MaRo.... i don't know
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Or they can use the space to give each deck a Mythic utility card that isn't a commander.
All I know is that due to the way the deck is printed I don't expect the landbase to have that many interesting reprints. There will be some, but I expect a lot of basiclands.
I mentioned his being dead because it means he can't become a planeswalker. There's no loophole for people to say "Ooh, Gerrard might have had the spark and could still become a planeswalker" because his story has been told from start to finish (it's also questionable whether it was even possible that he had the spark in any case, but the completion of his story, I hoped, would satisfy that urge without the need to worry about whether it was technically possible ever). Also, this is not non-canon, it's just not necessarily part of the present timeframe. Teferi was, canonically, a planeswalker. The card is, canonically, correct. It's just showing a point in his life prior to the events of Time Spiral where he lost his spark. The reason I'm making a big deal of this is that there's a difference between "flash back" cards which show events from past storylines that they've decided not to do in Standard-legal sets any more, and "non-canon" cards which show events that didn't happen nor ever will, such as Gerrard being a planeswalker. Unless someone wants to dig up a quote from the Comic-con panel where they say it's non-canon, everything we've seen suggests that this particular card is just a flash back to when Teferi was a planeswalker and this set is not going to break canon in its presentation of any character: they will be correct as at whatever point in the storyline is depicted on the card.
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He didn't say that, he specifically said that not all of them would be. However, the one we've seen is Teferi which means that at least one (and probably two or three, otherwise it would be weird) will be existing characters. It was initially assumed that all of them would be, but it was later clarified that they won't. That's why the first part of this thread is working on that assumption.
what are the guesses for the "safe bets"?
Jaya Ballard and Serra seem to have rather passionate fanbases,
and as such,
I'd expect them to be the most likely,
with either new characters or new cards for existing PWs
(or possibly giving a previously off-screen character a card like Gisa)
in Green and Black.
EDIT: I have to add, I feel like the "new cards for existing PWs" option
is probably the least likely, as it opens the door to confusion for newer players.
It will be easier for them to grok why "Geralf, Planeswalker" is not Standard playable
compared to a new version of Sorin or Liliana.
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I think that's doing new players a disservice. If you're building a Standard deck you need to know which cards are Standard legal. It's not as though there aren't any versions of Liliana or Sorin who aren't Standard legal (in fact, there isn't any version of Sorin that is legal in Standard!). If someone is so uninformed about the format they're playing that they might think a new card from the Commander product is legal, well why should that be limited to the planeswalkers? They've been adding new cards in side products for three years now without incident, it doesn't make any sense that this would be a consideration. If someone actually believes that the character represented on a card is more important to that card's legality than the set it was actually printed in, well they need more than a short lecture about the format they're attempting to play.