EDIT: I have to add, I feel like the "new cards for existing PWs" option
is probably the least likely, as it opens the door to confusion for newer players.
It will be easier for them to grok why "Geralf, Planeswalker" is not Standard playable
compared to a new version of Sorin or Liliana.
I think that's doing new players a disservice. If you're building a Standard deck you need to know which cards are Standard legal. It's not as though there aren't any versions of Liliana or Sorin who aren't Standard legal (in fact, there isn't any version of Sorin that is legal in Standard!). If someone is so uninformed about the format they're playing that they might think a new card from the Commander product is legal, well why should that be limited to the planeswalkers? They've been adding new cards in side products for three years now without incident, it doesn't make any sense that this would be a consideration. If someone actually believes that the character represented on a card is more important to that card's legality than the set it was actually printed in, well they need more than a short lecture about the format they're attempting to play.
It does get a little more muddy for newer players when it comes to modern though, but that is more a problem that all new cards in the auxiliary products face until reprinted in a standard legal set, and not a problem with new planeswalkers specifically.
That said, I do still believe that the planeswalkers will be planeswalker characters who have yet to get a planeswalker card. And not all of them may be humanoids, necessarily.
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I know i said this before, but come on, the black one NEEDS to be lord windgrace. because Panther planeswalker. Also , the white will be serra, green will probably be frealise, and red will probably be jaya.
I know i said this before, but come on, the black one NEEDS to be lord windgrace. because Panther planeswalker. Also , the white will be serra, green will probably be frealise, and red will probably be jaya.
Lord Windgrace? As in, the planeswalker represented in Divine Light, Illuminate, Planeswalker's Fury, and in no black card? Why should he be the monoblack planeswalker?
I know i said this before, but come on, the black one NEEDS to be lord windgrace. because Panther planeswalker. Also , the white will be serra, green will probably be frealise, and red will probably be jaya.
Lord Windgrace? As in, the planeswalker represented in Divine Light, Illuminate, Planeswalker's Fury, and in no black card? Why should he be the monoblack planeswalker?
Probably the thinking is that he's the guardian of Urborg. Of course, that thinking is flawed. Windgrace pre-dates Urborg becoming a nexus of black mana and I believe is more white/green in his characterisation.
White: Serra. Let's face it, not using her would be a flavor fail.
I have imagined that Serra would best be represented as a God[dess]. Then again, I am open to evidence/arguments to the contrary.
Curious to see what will be what, anyway.
Uh, the argument to the contrary is that she's a planeswalker. Like a lot of pre-Mending 'walkers she was worshipped by some as a deity, but she's much closer to Elspeth than to Heliod, the Mending notwithstanding. I'm a little confused where you're coming from actually, are you saying she had power comparable to the gods of Theros and should have a card comparable to theirs (in which case Teferi pretty handily refutes that) or are you under the impression that Serra's true nature is ambiguous (in which case you are mistaken, she's appeared in person as a planeswalker plenty in post-Revision canon)?
White: Serra. Let's face it, not using her would be a flavor fail.
I have imagined that Serra would best be represented as a God[dess]. Then again, I am open to evidence/arguments to the contrary.
Curious to see what will be what, anyway.
Uh, the argument to the contrary is that she's a planeswalker. Like a lot of pre-Mending 'walkers she was worshipped by some as a deity, but she's much closer to Elspeth than to Heliod, the Mending notwithstanding. I'm a little confused where you're coming from actually, are you saying she had power comparable to the gods of Theros and should have a card comparable to theirs (in which case Teferi pretty handily refutes that) or are you under the impression that Serra's true nature is ambiguous (in which case you are mistaken, she's appeared in person as a planeswalker plenty in post-Revision canon)?
Well, here's the thing... there are two Serras, a goddess and a planeswalker. The later is named after the former. But we don't know if the Serra goddess is actually real like Heliod, or if she's just a myth.
The Serra we actually saw is the planeswalker - she created her own plane, made her famous angels, met Urza and fought against Phyrexians, fell in love with Feroz (other 'walker), lived in Ulgrotha until he died, then she herself died. It's she in Humble, Congregate, Worship and Serra's Blessing, and in the Serra vanguard card.
White: Serra. Let's face it, not using her would be a flavor fail.
I have imagined that Serra would best be represented as a God[dess]. Then again, I am open to evidence/arguments to the contrary.
Curious to see what will be what, anyway.
Uh, the argument to the contrary is that she's a planeswalker. Like a lot of pre-Mending 'walkers she was worshipped by some as a deity, but she's much closer to Elspeth than to Heliod, the Mending notwithstanding. I'm a little confused where you're coming from actually, are you saying she had power comparable to the gods of Theros and should have a card comparable to theirs (in which case Teferi pretty handily refutes that) or are you under the impression that Serra's true nature is ambiguous (in which case you are mistaken, she's appeared in person as a planeswalker plenty in post-Revision canon)?
Well, here's the thing... there are two Serras, a goddess and a planeswalker. The later is named after the former. But we don't know if the Serra goddess is actually real like Heliod, or if she's just a myth.
The Serra we actually saw is the planeswalker - she created her own plane, made her famous angels, met Urza and fought against Phyrexians, fell in love with Feroz (other 'walker), lived in Ulgrotha until he died, then she herself died. It's she in Humble, Congregate, Worship and Serra's Blessing, and in the Serra vanguard card.
Is the goddess Serra post-revision? I've looked through the MTGS wiki and the most relevant citation I can find is a Mark Rosewater article (hardly the premier source on storyline matters) claiming the opposite of the wiki: that the Serra Angels were created by the planeswalker. Even if we ignore this because, as MaRo would put it, it's a "Doug question", the existence of two Serras doesn't make the suggestion that one character would be "better" represented as a completely different character with a similar name and more reasonable.
I checked the wiki, and this is much more confusing than I thought.
There is indeed a Dominarian goddess named Serra, and then there is the planeswalker named after the goddess who was essentially a goddess herself since she created her own plane and populated it with her Serra Angels. However, the goddess also created her own Serra Angels before that...
So yeah, there are two Serra, both are essentially goddesses, and both created Serra Angels, but are not related as far as I know...
Anyway, would love to see Serra as the white planeswalker, but I could see them going for Nahiri (with Ob Nixilis as the black planeswalker, that could be cool) or maybe even Vronos since his name did pop up a little these last days.
Well, here's the thing... there are two Serras, a goddess and a planeswalker. The later is named after the former. But we don't know if the Serra goddess is actually real like Heliod, or if she's just a myth.
The Serra we actually saw is the planeswalker - she created her own plane, made her famous angels, met Urza and fought against Phyrexians, fell in love with Feroz (other 'walker), lived in Ulgrotha until he died, then she herself died. It's she in Humble, Congregate, Worship and Serra's Blessing, and in the Serra vanguard card.
Is the goddess Serra post-revision? I've looked through the MTGS wiki and the most relevant citation I can find is a Mark Rosewater article (hardly the premier source on storyline matters) claiming the opposite of the wiki: that the Serra Angels were created by the planeswalker. Even if we ignore this because, as MaRo would put it, it's a "Doug question", the existence of two Serras doesn't make the suggestion that one character would be "better" represented as a completely different character with a similar name and more reasonable.
How is that the opposite of anything? My post and the wiki article on Serra both say the same thing as you: Serra the planeswalker created the Serra Angels (the article on angels says some were related to the goddess and some to the planeswalker, but even then it's not a direct opposite of "they come only from the planeswalker").
About being post-revision: the Revision happened right before the start of the Weatherlight Saga (around Mirage block). We see Serra in Urza's Saga block, including her Vanguard card (released around that time) that says she is named after a goddess:
I do agree with your later part: one of the Serra is an actual character, the other is a piece of backstory that may not even be real. Only the planeswalker should appear.
What about Ob Nixilis?
I mean teferi lost his spark and he is getting a card, Maro saying they won't printed cards of walkers who are confirmed dead...
Well Ob Nixilis isn't dead, and could very well be a runner for a slot in the 4 remaining walkers.
What about Ob Nixilis?
I mean teferi lost his spark and he is getting a card, Maro saying they won't printed cards of walkers who are confirmed dead...
Well Ob Nixilis isn't dead, and could very well be a runner for a slot in the 4 remaining walkers.
They won't print cards of confirmed dead planeswalkers in Standard legal sets. There is no such rule for auxiliary products such as commander.
And honestly, I'd rather see Leshrac get a planeswalker card than Ob Nixilis, despite the awesomeness of the latter.
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How is that the opposite of anything? My post and the wiki article on Serra both say the same thing as you: Serra the planeswalker created the Serra Angels (the article on angels says some were related to the goddess and some to the planeswalker, but even then it's not a direct opposite of "they come only from the planeswalker").
The angels article says they were created by the goddess and cites the Rosewater article which says they were created by the planeswalker in association with that sentence. In the next paragraph it talks about them being created by the planeswalker with no citation. The Serra article doesn't have any citations at all. This is what frustrates me, the wiki makes these statements but doesn't give any explanation of how we know, and in this case gives a contrary explanation which demonstrates something different.
About being post-revision: the Revision happened right before the start of the Weatherlight Saga (around Mirage block). We see Serra in Urza's Saga block, including her Vanguard card (released around that time) that says she is named after a goddess:
See, that's the kind of thing that the wiki should cite.
It does get a little more muddy for newer players when it comes to modern though, but that is more a problem that all new cards in the auxiliary products face until reprinted in a standard legal set, and not a problem with new planeswalkers specifically.
That said, I do still believe that the planeswalkers will be planeswalker characters who have yet to get a planeswalker card. And not all of them may be humanoids, necessarily.
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Lord Windgrace? As in, the planeswalker represented in Divine Light, Illuminate, Planeswalker's Fury, and in no black card? Why should he be the monoblack planeswalker?
Probably the thinking is that he's the guardian of Urborg. Of course, that thinking is flawed. Windgrace pre-dates Urborg becoming a nexus of black mana and I believe is more white/green in his characterisation.
I have imagined that Serra would best be represented as a God[dess]. Then again, I am open to evidence/arguments to the contrary.
Curious to see what will be what, anyway.
Uh, the argument to the contrary is that she's a planeswalker. Like a lot of pre-Mending 'walkers she was worshipped by some as a deity, but she's much closer to Elspeth than to Heliod, the Mending notwithstanding. I'm a little confused where you're coming from actually, are you saying she had power comparable to the gods of Theros and should have a card comparable to theirs (in which case Teferi pretty handily refutes that) or are you under the impression that Serra's true nature is ambiguous (in which case you are mistaken, she's appeared in person as a planeswalker plenty in post-Revision canon)?
Well, here's the thing... there are two Serras, a goddess and a planeswalker. The later is named after the former. But we don't know if the Serra goddess is actually real like Heliod, or if she's just a myth.
The Serra we actually saw is the planeswalker - she created her own plane, made her famous angels, met Urza and fought against Phyrexians, fell in love with Feroz (other 'walker), lived in Ulgrotha until he died, then she herself died. It's she in Humble, Congregate, Worship and Serra's Blessing, and in the Serra vanguard card.
Is the goddess Serra post-revision? I've looked through the MTGS wiki and the most relevant citation I can find is a Mark Rosewater article (hardly the premier source on storyline matters) claiming the opposite of the wiki: that the Serra Angels were created by the planeswalker. Even if we ignore this because, as MaRo would put it, it's a "Doug question", the existence of two Serras doesn't make the suggestion that one character would be "better" represented as a completely different character with a similar name and more reasonable.
There is indeed a Dominarian goddess named Serra, and then there is the planeswalker named after the goddess who was essentially a goddess herself since she created her own plane and populated it with her Serra Angels. However, the goddess also created her own Serra Angels before that...
So yeah, there are two Serra, both are essentially goddesses, and both created Serra Angels, but are not related as far as I know...
Anyway, would love to see Serra as the white planeswalker, but I could see them going for Nahiri (with Ob Nixilis as the black planeswalker, that could be cool) or maybe even Vronos since his name did pop up a little these last days.
How is that the opposite of anything? My post and the wiki article on Serra both say the same thing as you: Serra the planeswalker created the Serra Angels (the article on angels says some were related to the goddess and some to the planeswalker, but even then it's not a direct opposite of "they come only from the planeswalker").
About being post-revision: the Revision happened right before the start of the Weatherlight Saga (around Mirage block). We see Serra in Urza's Saga block, including her Vanguard card (released around that time) that says she is named after a goddess:
I do agree with your later part: one of the Serra is an actual character, the other is a piece of backstory that may not even be real. Only the planeswalker should appear.
I mean teferi lost his spark and he is getting a card, Maro saying they won't printed cards of walkers who are confirmed dead...
Well Ob Nixilis isn't dead, and could very well be a runner for a slot in the 4 remaining walkers.
They won't print cards of confirmed dead planeswalkers in Standard legal sets. There is no such rule for auxiliary products such as commander.
And honestly, I'd rather see Leshrac get a planeswalker card than Ob Nixilis, despite the awesomeness of the latter.
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The angels article says they were created by the goddess and cites the Rosewater article which says they were created by the planeswalker in association with that sentence. In the next paragraph it talks about them being created by the planeswalker with no citation. The Serra article doesn't have any citations at all. This is what frustrates me, the wiki makes these statements but doesn't give any explanation of how we know, and in this case gives a contrary explanation which demonstrates something different.
See, that's the kind of thing that the wiki should cite.
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/97794235368/can-i-get-some-freyalise-trivia-i-would-have-loved-to