I wasn't able to find this being discussed yet so I thought it prudent to bring them up. If this has already been posted and being discussed I apologize.
From this new info from TCGPlayer's posting it looks like we are getting ninjas in all five colors set, cyborg rat ninjas, and what I think is a possibly teenage turtle ninja.
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Definitely NOT happy about Ninja being pentacolor, exactly as I was not happy about Najeela being a pentacolor for Warriors. Why do all-colors tribal soup for literally no good reason? A white Ninja feels completely wrong. Why diluiting a tribal color identity this way?
Werewolves where in all five colors in Midnight Hunt and where in five colors in the theme boosters but focused in RG. There was only the white, blue and black werewolves in the set and (at least what I pulled) most of the booster was RG cards. I'm guessing Ninjas will likely be similar, focused in UB and bleeding out into a few other colors for mechanical or flavor reasons.
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Definitely NOT happy about Ninja being pentacolor, exactly as I was not happy about Najeela being a pentacolor for Warriors. Why do all-colors tribal soup for literally no good reason? A white Ninja feels completely wrong. Why diluiting a tribal color identity this way?
Werewolves where in all five colors in Midnight Hunt and where in five colors in the theme boosters but focused in RG. There was only the white, blue and black werewolves in the set and (at least what I pulled) most of the booster was RG cards. I'm guessing Ninjas will likely be similar, focused in UB and bleeding out into a few other colors for mechanical or flavor reasons.
I just hope they are not giving us a pentacolored legendary Ninja, forcing every EDH player to play that general as default.
Any better than Yuriko as 5c would be pretty broken imo.
Definitely NOT happy about Ninja being pentacolor, exactly as I was not happy about Najeela being a pentacolor for Warriors. Why do all-colors tribal soup for literally no good reason? A white Ninja feels completely wrong. Why diluiting a tribal color identity this way?
Werewolves where in all five colors in Midnight Hunt and where in five colors in the theme boosters but focused in RG. There was only the white, blue and black werewolves in the set and (at least what I pulled) most of the booster was RG cards. I'm guessing Ninjas will likely be similar, focused in UB and bleeding out into a few other colors for mechanical or flavor reasons.
I just hope they are not giving us a pentacolored legendary Ninja, forcing every EDH player to play that general as default.
i doubt you have to worry about that
1. Spirit tribal are more likely to get the 5C legend do to spirits from OG kamigawa there was tribal support in all colors so same thing here spirits in all colors but clearly no where near as much as last time.
2. Werewolves got pentacolor and it was still mostly gruul colors so ninja probably the same case here
3. If you seen the leak it’s more poof on number one
Definitely NOT happy about Ninja being pentacolor, exactly as I was not happy about Najeela being a pentacolor for Warriors. Why do all-colors tribal soup for literally no good reason? A white Ninja feels completely wrong. Why diluiting a tribal color identity this way?
Werewolves where in all five colors in Midnight Hunt and where in five colors in the theme boosters but focused in RG. There was only the white, blue and black werewolves in the set and (at least what I pulled) most of the booster was RG cards. I'm guessing Ninjas will likely be similar, focused in UB and bleeding out into a few other colors for mechanical or flavor reasons.
I just hope they are not giving us a pentacolored legendary Ninja, forcing every EDH player to play that general as default.
Cause that would make Yuriko not exist?
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Considering they have said Yuriko and commander ninjutsu are considered a mistake I doubt they will make another ninja commander more powerful.
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Considering they have said Yuriko and commander ninjutsu are considered a mistake I doubt they will make another ninja commander more powerful.
Ah yes, WotC, the same that said that "Ultimate Masters" was the last master set they would ever do. The same they promised they wouldn't put "autoinclude" for commander anymore and then print Jewel Lotus. I wouldn't put too much trust on them about these kind of things.
Ah yes, WotC, the same that said that "Ultimate Masters" was the last master set they would ever do. The same they promised they wouldn't put "autoinclude" for commander anymore and then print Jewel Lotus. I wouldn't put too much trust on them about these kind of things.
You think Jewel Lotus is a auto-include? LOL okay, well I don't need to take your options on commander seriously anymore then.
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Ah yes, WotC, the same that said that "Ultimate Masters" was the last master set they would ever do. The same they promised they wouldn't put "autoinclude" for commander anymore and then print Jewel Lotus. I wouldn't put too much trust on them about these kind of things.
You think Jewel Lotus is a auto-include? LOL okay, well I don't need to take your options on commander seriously anymore then.
Yeah it is for like 99% of Commanders, pretty much as Arcane Signet or Command Tower, except is more powerful, rarer and expensive. Thank you for confirming that you are the one that has no idea how EDH world works apparently, and thus having no idea what are you even talking about. The literal only reason Lotus is played less than Tower or Signet in deck it's simply because it's a mythic rare printed only once in a booster product, but in context like cockatrice where cards are equally available to everyone, literally all competent players run it.
Ah yes, WotC, the same that said that "Ultimate Masters" was the last master set they would ever do. The same they promised they wouldn't put "autoinclude" for commander anymore and then print Jewel Lotus. I wouldn't put too much trust on them about these kind of things.
You think Jewel Lotus is a auto-include? LOL okay, well I don't need to take your options on commander seriously anymore then.
Yeah it is for like 99% of Commanders, pretty much as Arcane Signet or Command Tower, except is more powerful, rarer and expensive. Thank you for confirming that you are the one that has no idea how EDH world works apparently, and thus having no idea what are you even talking about. The literal only reason Lotus is played less than Tower or Signet in deck it's simply because it's a mythic rare printed only once in a booster product, but in context like cockatrice where cards are equally available to everyone, literally all competent players run it.
Per EDHCREC it uses in 8% of decks I'd think an auto-include, even one as pricey and rare, would end up higher used; https://edhrec.com/cards/jeweled-lotus
Besides personal anecdotes do you have anything to back up your 99% claim?
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Per EDHCREC it uses in 8% of decks I'd think an auto-include, even one as pricey and rare, would end up higher used
I already explained why so. It is a very expensive mythic rare printed only once, so in real life you see much less decks playing it than it should deserve, and EDHrec typically register decks made in real life despite the objective factors that should make a card see more or less play. It's for the same reasons cards like Mana Crypt and Mana Drain see play for EDHrec only in the 14-15% of decks while in reality they are so strong they belong in the 99,99% of decks where they are legal for Color Identity reasons (and both Mana Drain and Crypt get reprinted much more times than Lotus, despite being also rare and expensive, which explain why even if expensives, they still see more play than Lotus, but much more less than they truly deserve to).
Besides personal anecdotes do you have anything to back up your 99% claim?
I don't need anecdotes, facts talks that:
- You can cheat turn 1 any commmander that is monocolor, bicolor or colorless and cost 4 or less mana
- That you can cheat much, much earlier expensive commander costing +5 and more mana in colorless, monocolor, bicolor and even tricolor decks (Edgar Markov can be played Turn 2 and Narset turn 3 without any other ramp support and is pretty crazy for today standards)
- That you can split the lotus mana to even play 2 Generals with Partner at the same time.
- That even in the worst cases ever, you can always use the Lotus to recast a death commander and paying easily his commander tax.
So it's a card that it's truly never dead in a game, except in the very rare cases you don't ever need to cast your commander (like Oloro) which is why I said 99% and not 100%.
- Last but not least Lotus is a very pricey and expensive card despite the fact that out of commander is totally useless, exactly because players themselves recognize it's extremely powerful and worth to be played in almost any competitive or casual deck.
You can argue how much you want but those are facts. If you don't realize this, you either play EDH only at casualish level withing your small circle of friends without seeing the objective truth of how people can actually use cards within their full potential...or you have no idea of what's actually good in this format, which seems more likely to me.
And I could make countless of examples of how scarcity and expensiveness make a card in EDHrec much less played compared to cards that are suboptimal but much cheapier and available. One random example? Underground Sea according to EDHrec see play in only 15% of decks while the sub-par Watery Grave see play in over 51% of decks, despite being objective worse. All confirm what I am saying and your argument -or better to say, fallacy- to use EDHrec as a source of how a card should be objectively better or more played than another, it's refuted.
You spend a card to get three mana off your commander? I mean I don't doubt there's some kind of combo that makes it decent but I don't think it's an auto-include unless you just have extra space or something.
What we’re probably gonna see in colors based on last time and some cards/leaks from this set (and most logical colors and could apear in other colors) (if they show up anyway)
spirts WUBRG
SamuraiRW
Ninja UB
KappaGU
FoxW
MoonfolkU
Rat and demon B
Goblin R
Snake G
You spend a card to get three mana off your commander? I mean I don't doubt there's some kind of combo that makes it decent but I don't think it's an auto-include unless you just have extra space or something.
I can't imagine a deck that don't want play his commander as soon as possible to start doing his shenaningans (Oloro being the extreme corner case, probably few others, but very few). You understimate the huge advantage of having your main deck engine on board before everyone else. It's not that you need a combo. It's just raw advantage over the others that has almost only plus sides overall. As I said, you can even pay the commander tax, so as being both useful in early or late game, it's never a dead draw, you will always use it. I proxy the Lotus in all my decks and it's so good that can easily replace any single basic land or subpar mana source slot of the deck. I am always happy to see the Lotus no matter what deck I'm playing and that alone make a lot of pressure to my opponents, that either have removal ready or succumb to my raw advantage.
Jeweled Lotus is good if your Commander can properly support it, meaning cost 3+ mana that helps getting it out early.
In any "casual" environment thats kinda toxic, but so is a start with Mana Crypt / Sol Ring to get out fast.
In any competitive table thats a good ritual to get a boost for some Commanders.
But there are a lot of Commanders in competitive tables that dont really mind the lotus, as it doesnt benefit them in a meaningful way.
For basically any Pre-Con Commander deck, its absolutely an auto-include, as they all cost a lot and generate almost always some kind of advantage that you want to have as early as possible.
Most of the fast-mana is an auto-include, not using them is more of a special game plan than otherwise (like green decks might use mana creatures instead).
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If there is a functional comparable Commander with more color identities , that one is pretty much fundamentally better, simply for offering you more cards to choose from.
Restricting yourself to less color is indeed a restriction with a cost.
But i highly doubt we will get a 5-color Ninja Commander, much more likely we get at least 1 Ninja legendary for each color that might represent some "schools" of ninjas.
From this new info from TCGPlayer's posting it looks like we are getting ninjas in all five colors set, cyborg rat ninjas, and what I think is a possibly teenage turtle ninja.
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Werewolves where in all five colors in Midnight Hunt and where in five colors in the theme boosters but focused in RG. There was only the white, blue and black werewolves in the set and (at least what I pulled) most of the booster was RG cards. I'm guessing Ninjas will likely be similar, focused in UB and bleeding out into a few other colors for mechanical or flavor reasons.
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Any better than Yuriko as 5c would be pretty broken imo.
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is that... a kappa? but Shell of the last kappa made me think they were all gone
i doubt you have to worry about that
1. Spirit tribal are more likely to get the 5C legend do to spirits from OG kamigawa there was tribal support in all colors so same thing here spirits in all colors but clearly no where near as much as last time.
2. Werewolves got pentacolor and it was still mostly gruul colors so ninja probably the same case here
3. If you seen the leak it’s more poof on number one
Kamigawa is cyberpunk now and is implied to have been cyberpunk for a while. I bet they cloned the last kappa from genetic material from that Shell.
Cause that would make Yuriko not exist?
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
Considering they have said Yuriko and commander ninjutsu are considered a mistake I doubt they will make another ninja commander more powerful.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
Ah yes, WotC, the same that said that "Ultimate Masters" was the last master set they would ever do. The same they promised they wouldn't put "autoinclude" for commander anymore and then print Jewel Lotus. I wouldn't put too much trust on them about these kind of things.
You think Jewel Lotus is a auto-include? LOL okay, well I don't need to take your options on commander seriously anymore then.
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Yeah it is for like 99% of Commanders, pretty much as Arcane Signet or Command Tower, except is more powerful, rarer and expensive. Thank you for confirming that you are the one that has no idea how EDH world works apparently, and thus having no idea what are you even talking about. The literal only reason Lotus is played less than Tower or Signet in deck it's simply because it's a mythic rare printed only once in a booster product, but in context like cockatrice where cards are equally available to everyone, literally all competent players run it.
Per EDHCREC it uses in 8% of decks I'd think an auto-include, even one as pricey and rare, would end up higher used;
https://edhrec.com/cards/jeweled-lotus
Besides personal anecdotes do you have anything to back up your 99% claim?
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
I already explained why so. It is a very expensive mythic rare printed only once, so in real life you see much less decks playing it than it should deserve, and EDHrec typically register decks made in real life despite the objective factors that should make a card see more or less play. It's for the same reasons cards like Mana Crypt and Mana Drain see play for EDHrec only in the 14-15% of decks while in reality they are so strong they belong in the 99,99% of decks where they are legal for Color Identity reasons (and both Mana Drain and Crypt get reprinted much more times than Lotus, despite being also rare and expensive, which explain why even if expensives, they still see more play than Lotus, but much more less than they truly deserve to).
I don't need anecdotes, facts talks that:
- You can cheat turn 1 any commmander that is monocolor, bicolor or colorless and cost 4 or less mana
- That you can cheat much, much earlier expensive commander costing +5 and more mana in colorless, monocolor, bicolor and even tricolor decks (Edgar Markov can be played Turn 2 and Narset turn 3 without any other ramp support and is pretty crazy for today standards)
- That you can split the lotus mana to even play 2 Generals with Partner at the same time.
- That even in the worst cases ever, you can always use the Lotus to recast a death commander and paying easily his commander tax.
So it's a card that it's truly never dead in a game, except in the very rare cases you don't ever need to cast your commander (like Oloro) which is why I said 99% and not 100%.
- Last but not least Lotus is a very pricey and expensive card despite the fact that out of commander is totally useless, exactly because players themselves recognize it's extremely powerful and worth to be played in almost any competitive or casual deck.
You can argue how much you want but those are facts. If you don't realize this, you either play EDH only at casualish level withing your small circle of friends without seeing the objective truth of how people can actually use cards within their full potential...or you have no idea of what's actually good in this format, which seems more likely to me.
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SamuraiRW
Ninja UB
KappaGU
FoxW
MoonfolkU
Rat and demon B
Goblin R
Snake G
I can't imagine a deck that don't want play his commander as soon as possible to start doing his shenaningans (Oloro being the extreme corner case, probably few others, but very few). You understimate the huge advantage of having your main deck engine on board before everyone else. It's not that you need a combo. It's just raw advantage over the others that has almost only plus sides overall. As I said, you can even pay the commander tax, so as being both useful in early or late game, it's never a dead draw, you will always use it. I proxy the Lotus in all my decks and it's so good that can easily replace any single basic land or subpar mana source slot of the deck. I am always happy to see the Lotus no matter what deck I'm playing and that alone make a lot of pressure to my opponents, that either have removal ready or succumb to my raw advantage.
In any "casual" environment thats kinda toxic, but so is a start with Mana Crypt / Sol Ring to get out fast.
In any competitive table thats a good ritual to get a boost for some Commanders.
But there are a lot of Commanders in competitive tables that dont really mind the lotus, as it doesnt benefit them in a meaningful way.
For basically any Pre-Con Commander deck, its absolutely an auto-include, as they all cost a lot and generate almost always some kind of advantage that you want to have as early as possible.
Most of the fast-mana is an auto-include, not using them is more of a special game plan than otherwise (like green decks might use mana creatures instead).
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If there is a functional comparable Commander with more color identities , that one is pretty much fundamentally better, simply for offering you more cards to choose from.
Restricting yourself to less color is indeed a restriction with a cost.
But i highly doubt we will get a 5-color Ninja Commander, much more likely we get at least 1 Ninja legendary for each color that might represent some "schools" of ninjas.
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