I started playing in Ixalan. I know the "goal" of the plot was accomplished (Orazca was found and the Immortal Sun was taken away)
However, I love the tribes from Ixalan and especially merfolk. Does anyone think there will be a new Ixalan set in another few years? Since there is still Aclazotz who isn't revealed yet, and the Vivien Reid story was in Ixalan
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From what I have heard the set did not sell as well as other sets, not a lot of people wanted to open the boxes. So there is a chance it is going to see a similar fate as Kamigawa and Lowryn.
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From what I have heard the set did not sell as well as other sets, not a lot of people wanted to open the boxes. So there is a chance it is going to see a similar fate as Kamigawa and Lowryn.
But the setting, disconnected from gameplay, was popular, wasn't it? Kamigawa failed in both gameplay and worldbuilding.
I hope they don't go back. there were some good ideas, but the whole 'you will play one of these 4 tribes, every card ties to one of the 4, they don't mix and match well, and there's no real room for much else' was incredibly boring to me. There were a few good cards, but it was BFZ block levels of tribal overload
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Let's not forget Apatzec's ambition to conquer the Merfolk and then Torrezon.
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I would like a return but only with a single set and not in a 2 or 3 or 4 (doubt creative could handle a 4 set block) block. RIX was a failure in my region, people were tired of the theme of ixalan during IXL. I liked somethings like thir take on the tribes, but like most said, they overdone the tribal theme.
From what I have heard the set did not sell as well as other sets, not a lot of people wanted to open the boxes. So there is a chance it is going to see a similar fate as Kamigawa and Lowryn.
But the setting, disconnected from gameplay, was popular, wasn't it? Kamigawa failed in both gameplay and worldbuilding.
Kamigawa's big issue lack of resonance; they didn't even use the Japanese folklore most gaijin are familiar with, other than the moon rabbit (and none of the resurrection motifs because they're blue) and the kitsune (who were white for some reason, rather than red) and I guess kappa, though I don't think the akki really were that much like kappa except for their physical appearance? They have snake people, but no Yamata no Orochi. I've been trying to get Gaijin Goombah to do an episode on Kamigawa for the longest time.
And Lorwyn (aside from elves literally tasked with committing genocide against every other race in Lorwyn) was too sugar bowl for most people. Flavor matters.
Kamigawa and Ixalan do both have powerlevel issues (the polar opposite issues of the blocks from a year before, which is the same as Masques, come to think of it), though I imagine in the future there will be plenty of "good in EDH" Ixalan cards, just like Kamigawa, and for that matter, Masques. (And no, a strictly worse Rampant Growth isn't among them; Kamigawa had a strictly better.)
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Personally I hope they never go back. Hated the plane, hated the story, hated most of the cards, hated the card quality.
Maybe in a decade if the game can make a turn around, but my vote is NO.
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Kamigawa's big issue lack of resonance; they didn't even use the Japanese folklore most gaijin are familiar with, other than the moon rabbit (and none of the resurrection motifs because they're blue) and the kitsune (who were white for some reason, rather than red) and I guess kappa, though I don't think the akki really were that much like kappa except for their physical appearance? They have snake people, but no Yamata no Orochi. I've been trying to get Gaijin Goombah to do an episode on Kamigawa for the longest time.
And Lorwyn (aside from elves literally tasked with committing genocide against every other race in Lorwyn) was too sugar bowl for most people. Flavor matters.
Kamigawa and Ixalan do both have powerlevel issues (the polar opposite issues of the blocks from a year before, which is the same as Masques, come to think of it), though I imagine in the future there will be plenty of "good in EDH" Ixalan cards, just like Kamigawa, and for that matter, Masques. (And no, a strictly worse Rampant Growth isn't among them; Kamigawa had a strictly better.)
Why would Kitsunes ever be Red? They are trickster spirits, more ofthen than not malicious, making them more akin to the UB Fae in Lorwyn than W, but even then aside from their ties with "fox fires" making them R is a major stretch... Although there ARE a few W Kitsunes in myths, with the most important being Kuzunoha.
As for Lorwyn, there were way too many things wrong with it to count. It was supposed to be a Tribal block with a monocolor subtheme, but the Tribal aspects were very unbalanced and the monocolor aspects were poorly executed, resulting in a lack of identity, especially when sandwiched between pretty resonant blocks like Alara and Time Spiral. Most people still remember Lorwyn as either "The block that introduced Planeswalkers" or "The block with Faeries". Setting and flavor, while not particularly a homerun or anything, were not the main problem as far as I can tell.
As for Ixalan, there's always a possibility, but don't hold your breath. Problem with Ixalan is that it shares some of its identity with the aforementioned Lorwyn, which makes it a bit more unlikely. And even then, we have like 3 or 4 Planes that are way more likely to be returned to (New Phyrexia, Theros and Dominaria being a given, plus Innistrad somewhat likely), so if we ever return, I expect 4 to 5 years, minimum.
I think it's also due to the fact that there were no Expedition-like cards in it, so obviously the sales for that are going to be lower than for say Kaladesh or what not.
The single-set arrangement is a blessing for maligned blocks of the past. One set is usually all that's needed to whet the appetites of those who yearn for a return of some sort. I'd expect it as there's lots left to explore (!) on Ixalan, or all of these other planes we've visited once, so hopefully once the Gatewatch arc goes away then maybe that will open doors to further visitations.
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From going through Maro blog it seems like Ixalan (the world) was liked. If I guess we will see Ixalan again but I don't think it was a hit like Ravnica, Innistrad, Dominaria (2018), Theros ect.
As for Ixalan, there's always a possibility, but don't hold your breath. Problem with Ixalan is that it shares some of its identity with the aforementioned Lorwyn, which makes it a bit more unlikely. And even then, we have like 3 or 4 Planes that are way more likely to be returned to (New Phyrexia, Theros and Dominaria being a given, plus Innistrad somewhat likely), so if we ever return, I expect 4 to 5 years, minimum.
The number of years they like to wait for a return is 6-7 years, SoI was 4-5 years after Innistrad 1 and considered to be way too soon to return. One the reason they are retuning to Ravnica now as well.
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What they could do to test the waters is feature a small section of Huatli and her Ixalani adventures in the next core set or in M21. That's probably a good way for them to do market research before delving full on in that case.
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I hope so, I like the tribal sets and the various tribes. I wasn't the happiest to see that the tribes weren't pushed to see competitive play especially Dinosaurs which had my buy a box of (2) sets that I would never have before. I bought sealed product like I generally haven't before because I liked Ixalan quite a bit.
I want more dinosaur tribal, more tribal support (both generic and specific), and more Angrath and Huatli and Vraska (getting my wish there). I liked the race feeling of the set. I liked the setting quite a bit.
I hope so, I like the tribal sets and the various tribes. I wasn't the happiest to see that the tribes weren't pushed to see competitive play especially Dinosaurs which had my buy a box of (2) sets that I would never have before. I bought sealed product like I generally haven't before because I liked Ixalan quite a bit.
I want more dinosaur tribal, more tribal support (both generic and specific), and more Angrath and Huatli and Vraska (getting my wish there). I liked the race feeling of the set. I liked the setting quite a bit.
I’m with you more dinosaur stuff
Mario did confirm they will make dinosaurs when it feels right just like with dragons/angels/hydras/demons
I definately want to see some UB dinosaurs because of the two elder ones plus a 5 color dinosaur tribal legendary
Oh one more thing for everybody
You all already rememebered they set up a revisit from the chosen ending right? Even though it was rigged again just like new phyrexia (dinosaur ending is the only one that sets up a revisit and the other 3 don’t)
I mean it was good on paper...but execution wise not so much. The tribes did nothing of note in Standard. Huatli was a bad character.
Prety much this. Huatly will be loved for being a possible Naya walker on a later print.
Ye Ixalan was pourly executed. One thing that gives it away is the fat pack and its booklet, comparated to other fatpacks it is *****, they just write about tribal tribal, etc. Blurb and story of the set? Jace is lost, Vraska is searching for something, and .... "hey did i teal this set has a tribal element? It is 4 tribes fighting against each other" "Hey Ixalan has 4 tribes, vampires como from the old land, pirates are dissidents, sun empire and dinos live in Ixalan (the continent and the plane, ye call it Ixalan, it is the center of the plane, or was it? ) and merfolks live in Ixalan too.""Hey did i tell Ixalan have 4 tribes fighting?"
From what i saw in non story articles they did a really bad job at world building, but included nice blurbs that they did not developed.
From what I have heard the set did not sell as well as other sets, not a lot of people wanted to open the boxes. So there is a chance it is going to see a similar fate as Kamigawa and Lowryn.
But the setting, disconnected from gameplay, was popular, wasn't it? Kamigawa failed in both gameplay and worldbuilding.
Pirates, Dinosaurs, and the Mesoamerican setting were all incredibly well received. White conquistador vampires were also very novel. Merfolk are merfolk. Explore, transforming lands, raid, and treasure were all great mechanics in themselves. City's blessing sometimes did great stuff.
I bought less product because Limited was linear. Not just in regards to tribes, but in regards to play patterns. Removal was so poorly balanced that a single One With The Wind early on could win the game. They finally toned down the unnecessary complexity from earlier sets but I didn't think there was a lot of good lenticular design going on. Many of the more interesting things got buried in low complexity, shallow cards to me.
Ixalan limited sucked, and the story sucked. The setting was pretty cool though. An Ixalan set that is only as tribal as Innistrad would work well.
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Kamigawa followed the powerhouse that was Mirrodin, so quality-wise it was a step back (it had to be). Also splice was really weak and just plain bad. I think that Ixalan following the craze for Masterpieces that some of it's predecessors created so it's sales weren't as inflated. I personally think that the art style and all the tribal stuff was great, but the vibrant colour scheme and weird colour cominations made it feel campy IMO.
Yeah basically my view as well the setting has promise. The story and card quality though not so much, tribal failed massively. The sets were overshadowed by the mistakes of Kaladesh and Dominaria coming after.
From what I have heard the set did not sell as well as other sets, not a lot of people wanted to open the boxes. So there is a chance it is going to see a similar fate as Kamigawa and Lowryn.
But the setting, disconnected from gameplay, was popular, wasn't it? Kamigawa failed in both gameplay and worldbuilding.
The source for Kamigawa's low selling was due to it being right after the First mirridon block, which could be argued as one of the most powerful blocks printed.
Kamigawa was ok, good flavor and an interesting plot that involve zero planeswalkers. But because of Mirridon, very few were interested in the set because any new play style in it was dominated by Affinity cards.
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However, I love the tribes from Ixalan and especially merfolk. Does anyone think there will be a new Ixalan set in another few years? Since there is still Aclazotz who isn't revealed yet, and the Vivien Reid story was in Ixalan
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But the setting, disconnected from gameplay, was popular, wasn't it? Kamigawa failed in both gameplay and worldbuilding.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Kamigawa's big issue lack of resonance; they didn't even use the Japanese folklore most gaijin are familiar with, other than the moon rabbit (and none of the resurrection motifs because they're blue) and the kitsune (who were white for some reason, rather than red) and I guess kappa, though I don't think the akki really were that much like kappa except for their physical appearance? They have snake people, but no Yamata no Orochi. I've been trying to get Gaijin Goombah to do an episode on Kamigawa for the longest time.
And Lorwyn (aside from elves literally tasked with committing genocide against every other race in Lorwyn) was too sugar bowl for most people. Flavor matters.
Kamigawa and Ixalan do both have powerlevel issues (the polar opposite issues of the blocks from a year before, which is the same as Masques, come to think of it), though I imagine in the future there will be plenty of "good in EDH" Ixalan cards, just like Kamigawa, and for that matter, Masques. (And no, a strictly worse Rampant Growth isn't among them; Kamigawa had a strictly better.)
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Maybe in a decade if the game can make a turn around, but my vote is NO.
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As for Lorwyn, there were way too many things wrong with it to count. It was supposed to be a Tribal block with a monocolor subtheme, but the Tribal aspects were very unbalanced and the monocolor aspects were poorly executed, resulting in a lack of identity, especially when sandwiched between pretty resonant blocks like Alara and Time Spiral. Most people still remember Lorwyn as either "The block that introduced Planeswalkers" or "The block with Faeries". Setting and flavor, while not particularly a homerun or anything, were not the main problem as far as I can tell.
As for Ixalan, there's always a possibility, but don't hold your breath. Problem with Ixalan is that it shares some of its identity with the aforementioned Lorwyn, which makes it a bit more unlikely. And even then, we have like 3 or 4 Planes that are way more likely to be returned to (New Phyrexia, Theros and Dominaria being a given, plus Innistrad somewhat likely), so if we ever return, I expect 4 to 5 years, minimum.
The single-set arrangement is a blessing for maligned blocks of the past. One set is usually all that's needed to whet the appetites of those who yearn for a return of some sort. I'd expect it as there's lots left to explore (!) on Ixalan, or all of these other planes we've visited once, so hopefully once the Gatewatch arc goes away then maybe that will open doors to further visitations.
I'm still fighting for Ulgrotha though.
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The number of years they like to wait for a return is 6-7 years, SoI was 4-5 years after Innistrad 1 and considered to be way too soon to return. One the reason they are retuning to Ravnica now as well.
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I want more dinosaur tribal, more tribal support (both generic and specific), and more Angrath and Huatli and Vraska (getting my wish there). I liked the race feeling of the set. I liked the setting quite a bit.
I’m with you more dinosaur stuff
Mario did confirm they will make dinosaurs when it feels right just like with dragons/angels/hydras/demons
I definately want to see some UB dinosaurs because of the two elder ones plus a 5 color dinosaur tribal legendary
Oh one more thing for everybody
You all already rememebered they set up a revisit from the chosen ending right? Even though it was rigged again just like new phyrexia (dinosaur ending is the only one that sets up a revisit and the other 3 don’t)
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Prety much this. Huatly will be loved for being a possible Naya walker on a later print.
Ye Ixalan was pourly executed. One thing that gives it away is the fat pack and its booklet, comparated to other fatpacks it is *****, they just write about tribal tribal, etc. Blurb and story of the set? Jace is lost, Vraska is searching for something, and .... "hey did i teal this set has a tribal element? It is 4 tribes fighting against each other" "Hey Ixalan has 4 tribes, vampires como from the old land, pirates are dissidents, sun empire and dinos live in Ixalan (the continent and the plane, ye call it Ixalan, it is the center of the plane, or was it? ) and merfolks live in Ixalan too.""Hey did i tell Ixalan have 4 tribes fighting?"
From what i saw in non story articles they did a really bad job at world building, but included nice blurbs that they did not developed.
do you have a quote/source on that?
I bought less product because Limited was linear. Not just in regards to tribes, but in regards to play patterns. Removal was so poorly balanced that a single One With The Wind early on could win the game. They finally toned down the unnecessary complexity from earlier sets but I didn't think there was a lot of good lenticular design going on. Many of the more interesting things got buried in low complexity, shallow cards to me.
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The source for Kamigawa's low selling was due to it being right after the First mirridon block, which could be argued as one of the most powerful blocks printed.
Kamigawa was ok, good flavor and an interesting plot that involve zero planeswalkers. But because of Mirridon, very few were interested in the set because any new play style in it was dominated by Affinity cards.