Based on the description for Commander 2018, it sounds like each deck will have multiple planeswalkers, including one as the face card with the "~ can be your commander" ability. I'm half-guessing-half-hoping we'll see a bunch of PW reprints, at least three per deck. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if the decklists' color selections were based on what offers the best reprint volume. At least one of the decks is likely going to be multicolor, possibly even WUBRG. Question is, what strategic themes will we see?
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
It is certainly possible we will get multiple planeswalkers per deck. I expect the decks to be at least 2 colors, possibly more.
However, I fully expect that each deck will be based around a specific plane. Tarkir for example is currently home to three different native planeswalkers, as is Innistrad and Ravnica. And that is not even counting non-native walkers associated with the plane or planeswalkers, long gone, that were once of the plane.
If get one planeswalker and two legendary creatures as the commanders, with say even one planeswalker reprint native to the plane, we can have a partially blue "Kamigawa" deck, allows for a reprint of Tamiyo.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
It's about time for the reserved list to die, for the sake of Vintage and Legacy (And Commander).
I doubt they're going to limit each deck to a single plane. I figure more general themes, like artifacts, spells, creature aggro, etc. will be used to easily allow multiple planeswalkers to play a role in the same deck. Plus, the decks are about planeswalkers; it would only be fitting to showcase a variety of worlds in each one.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I don't know about that. I mean the only Walker who can face for Tarkir is Ugin and he is colorless which is not viable in commander. Assuming other options are Oldwalkers like Serra.
But yeah probably themes Artifacts, Enchantments, Graveyard, Landfall, Spells and Creature/Aggro are all options.
Serra for Enchantments and Tokens.
Urza for Artifacts
Lesherac for Graveyard, etc.
My real question for this are will Urza and Bolas show up. I think Serra is guaranteed. Bolas they already did Grixis is his biggest problem. Plus he is getting one in a core set probably. Urza cause MaRo said they wouldn't.
I did read the release though and think they mean multiple walkers per set. Face character + 4 max but probably something closer to 2.
Sarkhan and Narset can face for Tarkir too. Colorless is viable, but the trouble with an Ugin facewalker is fans would want to play him like a WUBRG walker with Morph, Eldrazi, and artifacts, and as a pure colorless CPW he would offer far fewer options. Doesn't mean they couldn't find a workaround, though. Maybe give his CPW a TwoBRG cost ((2/W)(2/U)(2/B)(2/R)(2/G)) so he can be played cheaper with WUBRG but can be played for any 10?
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Sarkhan and Narset can face for Tarkir too. Colorless is viable, but the trouble with an Ugin facewalker is fans would want to play him like a WUBRG walker with Morph, Eldrazi, and artifacts, and as a pure colorless CPW he would offer far fewer options. Doesn't mean they couldn't find a workaround, though. Maybe give his CPW a TwoBRG cost ((2/W)(2/U)(2/B)(2/R)(2/G)) so he can be played cheaper with WUBRG but can be played for any 10?
How would you approach a colorless deck? Unless it's another artifacts-matter theme or Eldrazi theme, it'd be fairly difficult to carve out a niche for the colorless deck without just stuffing a bunch of generic good-stuff effects on the cards.
Also your (2/W)(2/U)(2/B)(2/R)(2/G) approach feels kinda like it's cheating, since it's not really pure colorless.
I'd be interested in seeing three colour walkers, however unlikely, that have the same C14 clause to be commanders. If they make new walkers specifically for each deck, then I'd have to buy all of them, just to have every walker.
I am kind of hoping for what they did last time they did planeswalkers. They had 2 walkers who influenced upcoming sets (Nahiri + Ob Nixilis), 2 old walkers (Teferi + Freyalise), and 1 New Walker (Daretti).
Though since I believe it's just 4 walkers I'd prefer 2 Old Walkers (Serra and Leshrac -- I doubt they would touch Urza unless if it was just when he started as a Walker) and 2 New Ones (unless if there's an old walker who may influence an upcoming set).
How would you approach a colorless deck? Unless it's another artifacts-matter theme or Eldrazi theme, it'd be fairly difficult to carve out a niche for the colorless deck without just stuffing a bunch of generic good-stuff effects on the cards.
Also your (2/W)(2/U)(2/B)(2/R)(2/G) approach feels kinda like it's cheating, since it's not really pure colorless.
Artifacts and Eldrazi would definitely be the two top themes for such a deck; I'd suggested such for a land-themed cycle of decks. Wastes were created precisely so such a deck can have functional basic lands and not depend on nonbasics that can get blown out by Ruination.
The (2/W)(2/U)(2/B)(2/R)(2/G) approach would be for Ghostfire, Devoid cards, and Morph, giving the deck more options than pure colorless. Back when Ugin, the Spirit Dragon was first revealed, they commented how colorless is ironically much like WUBRG, in that a pure colorless deck can access many of the effects a WUBRG deck can.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
And fans who love it nonetheless don't have a right to play the deck they want?
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I still think "planar" commander decks is viable. Most planes we have visited have had two ore more named native planeswalkers.
Ulgrotha: Ravi the Mad, Sandruu, Serra, Feroz, and Daria. (ok, to be fair, three of those are originally from elsewhere).
Tarkir: Ugin, Sarkhan, Narset,
Ravnica: Domri Rade, Vraska, Azor, Ral Zarek,
Zendikar: Kiora, Nissa,
Kaladesh: Saheeli Ral, Chandra, Dovin Baan,
Theros: Gideon Jura/Kytheon Iora, Xenagos,
Innistrad: Sorin, Arlinn Kord,
Alara: Tezzeret, Ajani,
The other planes we have visited over the years have usually had at least one named planeswalker native to it, and we'd likely get introduced to more if we ever (hah) revisit them.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
It's about time for the reserved list to die, for the sake of Vintage and Legacy (And Commander).
I still think "planar" commander decks is viable. Most planes we have visited have had two ore more named native planeswalkers.
Ulgrotha: Ravi the Mad, Sandruu, Serra, Feroz, and Daria. (ok, to be fair, three of those are originally from elsewhere).
Tarkir: Ugin, Sarkhan, Narset,
Ravnica: Domri Rade, Vraska, Azor, Ral Zarek,
Zendikar: Kiora, Nissa,
Kaladesh: Saheeli Ral, Chandra, Dovin Baan,
Theros: Gideon Jura/Kytheon Iora, Xenagos,
Innistrad: Sorin, Arlinn Kord,
Alara: Tezzeret, Ajani,
The other planes we have visited over the years have usually had at least one named planeswalker native to it, and we'd likely get introduced to more if we ever (hah) revisit them.
Just a minor correction, but Azor technically isn't native to Ravnica. We don't know where he came from, and probably won't know for a good while.
Also Innistrad has Tibalt and had Vronos, and Sifa Grent was native to Alara (Grixis). Zendikar also has Nahiri, but we already got a card for her in a Commander product.
And fans who love it nonetheless don't have a right to play the deck they want?
They can play what they want. Should WOTC waste time with their main commander product catering to something that is terrible and that most EDH fans don't want absolutely not. If they want to play Colorless Commanders, they can go ahead. Doesn't mean WOTC should make one of 4 Decks Colorless when Colorless is trash from cEDH to Casual.
And fans who love it nonetheless don't have a right to play the deck they want?
They can play what they want. Should WOTC waste time with their main commander product catering to something that is terrible and that most EDH fans don't want absolutely not. If they want to play Colorless Commanders, they can go ahead. Doesn't mean WOTC should make one of 4 Decks Colorless when Colorless is trash from cEDH to Casual.
Just because it's not great now doesn't mean they can't make it decent. It only really needs draw spells and removal. For ramp it has all the mana rocks and the eldrazi scions although it can still make better use of wastes such as cultivate or kodama's reach type cards. If they can add those it would be pretty decent. Give it it's own version of cryptic command or mystic confluence and fact or fiction or brainstorm and counterspells that aren't exactly counterspell like cancel or something a long the lines of "1CC if you control a colorless permanent, this spell cost 1 less. Counter target spell" same for a draw spell. A cheaper scour from existence and the such. It only really needs about 10 good draw/removal/counter spells and 1 or 2 search for wastes spells
Given that Commander is a casual format to begin with, it's in Wizards' interest to provide fun new decks for casual players, including a colorless deck if it fits within the product, which considering that we have at least two candidates for colorless planeswalkers, very much can. That's not to say there will be a colorless deck, as color still offers more options, but I can certainly see colorless subcommanders being included for the players who want them.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I still think "planar" commander decks is viable. Most planes we have visited have had two ore more named native planeswalkers.
Ulgrotha: Ravi the Mad, Sandruu, Serra, Feroz, and Daria. (ok, to be fair, three of those are originally from elsewhere).
Tarkir: Ugin, Sarkhan, Narset,
Ravnica: Domri Rade, Vraska, Azor, Ral Zarek,
Zendikar: Kiora, Nissa,
Kaladesh: Saheeli Ral, Chandra, Dovin Baan,
Theros: Gideon Jura/Kytheon Iora, Xenagos,
Innistrad: Sorin, Arlinn Kord,
Alara: Tezzeret, Ajani,
The other planes we have visited over the years have usually had at least one named planeswalker native to it, and we'd likely get introduced to more if we ever (hah) revisit them.
Just a minor correction, but Azor technically isn't native to Ravnica. We don't know where he came from, and probably won't know for a good while.
Also Innistrad has Tibalt and had Vronos, and Sifa Grent was native to Alara (Grixis). Zendikar also has Nahiri, but we already got a card for her in a Commander product.
Well, yes, but the point is, most of the planes we have visited have had multiple planeswalkers associated with them. I also mentioned Ravi, Serra, and Feroz for Ulgrotha, even if they are originally from other planes (Ravi for example, is from Dominaria as far as I know, and was brought to Ulgrotha as the apprentice to Baron Sengir's master).
But the point I was making was that most of the planes we have visited has had multiple planeswalkers who live there or came from there, so decks associated with planes, with planeswalker face cards, are not out of the question.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
It's about time for the reserved list to die, for the sake of Vintage and Legacy (And Commander).
Right meant to type 5 for 500, my bad. its still the least popular, more colors tend to be better in commander and most colors can just be slotted in to improve color decks.
Doesnt address my other point pick your favorite youtuber then see how many times u see a colorless deck.
The demand for colorless edh is unquestionable small. But it is also unquestionable there.
I think after 29 colored preconstructed decks there is room for a single colorless deck.
All the colors already have tons of toys and options and will get even more as the years go by.
We have six legendary Eldrazi and, as of Dominaria, three legendary artifact creatures to use as commanders in colorless decks. That is not a much of variety. Particularly since one of the Eldrazi is banned in the format. That is not a lot of variety. But it is more than certain color combinations. But we can always use more. WotC have clearly shown that they are willing to add more. Over the last three years we've gotten no less than five new colorless commanders (Three Eldrazi, two artifact creatures).
I do not think we will get a colorless commander deck yet, but I do think we will get one eventually.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
It's about time for the reserved list to die, for the sake of Vintage and Legacy (And Commander).
The demand for colorless edh is unquestionable small. But it is also unquestionable there.
I think after 29 colored preconstructed decks there is room for a single colorless deck.
All the colors already have tons of toys and options and will get even more as the years go by.
Sure but does it deserve one in the 25 Years of magic set for commander? I am not so sure this is the set for colorless to get a deck. I mean they are supposedly also boosting the power. Colorless needs a lot of help to get good...help they don't seem to bother giving to weaker monocolors like Red or White.
Granted colorless does have good face card options in Karn and Ugin so there is that. Unlike say Venser they wouldn't look out of place next to Urza, Serra, Bolas, etc.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
However, I fully expect that each deck will be based around a specific plane. Tarkir for example is currently home to three different native planeswalkers, as is Innistrad and Ravnica. And that is not even counting non-native walkers associated with the plane or planeswalkers, long gone, that were once of the plane.
If get one planeswalker and two legendary creatures as the commanders, with say even one planeswalker reprint native to the plane, we can have a partially blue "Kamigawa" deck, allows for a reprint of Tamiyo.
---
Numquam evolutioni obstes. Solum conculceris.
Pascite draconem, evolvite aut morimini.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
But yeah probably themes Artifacts, Enchantments, Graveyard, Landfall, Spells and Creature/Aggro are all options.
Serra for Enchantments and Tokens.
Urza for Artifacts
Lesherac for Graveyard, etc.
My real question for this are will Urza and Bolas show up. I think Serra is guaranteed. Bolas they already did Grixis is his biggest problem. Plus he is getting one in a core set probably. Urza cause MaRo said they wouldn't.
I did read the release though and think they mean multiple walkers per set. Face character + 4 max but probably something closer to 2.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
How would you approach a colorless deck? Unless it's another artifacts-matter theme or Eldrazi theme, it'd be fairly difficult to carve out a niche for the colorless deck without just stuffing a bunch of generic good-stuff effects on the cards.
Also your (2/W)(2/U)(2/B)(2/R)(2/G) approach feels kinda like it's cheating, since it's not really pure colorless.
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
Though since I believe it's just 4 walkers I'd prefer 2 Old Walkers (Serra and Leshrac -- I doubt they would touch Urza unless if it was just when he started as a Walker) and 2 New Ones (unless if there's an old walker who may influence an upcoming set).
Artifacts and Eldrazi would definitely be the two top themes for such a deck; I'd suggested such for a land-themed cycle of decks. Wastes were created precisely so such a deck can have functional basic lands and not depend on nonbasics that can get blown out by Ruination.
The (2/W)(2/U)(2/B)(2/R)(2/G) approach would be for Ghostfire, Devoid cards, and Morph, giving the deck more options than pure colorless. Back when Ugin, the Spirit Dragon was first revealed, they commented how colorless is ironically much like WUBRG, in that a pure colorless deck can access many of the effects a WUBRG deck can.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Ulgrotha: Ravi the Mad, Sandruu, Serra, Feroz, and Daria. (ok, to be fair, three of those are originally from elsewhere).
Tarkir: Ugin, Sarkhan, Narset,
Ravnica: Domri Rade, Vraska, Azor, Ral Zarek,
Zendikar: Kiora, Nissa,
Kaladesh: Saheeli Ral, Chandra, Dovin Baan,
Theros: Gideon Jura/Kytheon Iora, Xenagos,
Innistrad: Sorin, Arlinn Kord,
Alara: Tezzeret, Ajani,
The other planes we have visited over the years have usually had at least one named planeswalker native to it, and we'd likely get introduced to more if we ever (hah) revisit them.
---
Numquam evolutioni obstes. Solum conculceris.
Pascite draconem, evolvite aut morimini.
Just a minor correction, but Azor technically isn't native to Ravnica. We don't know where he came from, and probably won't know for a good while.
Also Innistrad has Tibalt and had Vronos, and Sifa Grent was native to Alara (Grixis). Zendikar also has Nahiri, but we already got a card for her in a Commander product.
They can play what they want. Should WOTC waste time with their main commander product catering to something that is terrible and that most EDH fans don't want absolutely not. If they want to play Colorless Commanders, they can go ahead. Doesn't mean WOTC should make one of 4 Decks Colorless when Colorless is trash from cEDH to Casual.
Just because it's not great now doesn't mean they can't make it decent. It only really needs draw spells and removal. For ramp it has all the mana rocks and the eldrazi scions although it can still make better use of wastes such as cultivate or kodama's reach type cards. If they can add those it would be pretty decent. Give it it's own version of cryptic command or mystic confluence and fact or fiction or brainstorm and counterspells that aren't exactly counterspell like cancel or something a long the lines of "1CC if you control a colorless permanent, this spell cost 1 less. Counter target spell" same for a draw spell. A cheaper scour from existence and the such. It only really needs about 10 good draw/removal/counter spells and 1 or 2 search for wastes spells
And quite frankly, I disbelieve your statement about colorless being garbage in Commander.
Given that Commander is a casual format to begin with, it's in Wizards' interest to provide fun new decks for casual players, including a colorless deck if it fits within the product, which considering that we have at least two candidates for colorless planeswalkers, very much can. That's not to say there will be a colorless deck, as color still offers more options, but I can certainly see colorless subcommanders being included for the players who want them.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Well, yes, but the point is, most of the planes we have visited have had multiple planeswalkers associated with them. I also mentioned Ravi, Serra, and Feroz for Ulgrotha, even if they are originally from other planes (Ravi for example, is from Dominaria as far as I know, and was brought to Ulgrotha as the apprentice to Baron Sengir's master).
But the point I was making was that most of the planes we have visited has had multiple planeswalkers who live there or came from there, so decks associated with planes, with planeswalker face cards, are not out of the question.
---
Numquam evolutioni obstes. Solum conculceris.
Pascite draconem, evolvite aut morimini.
Doesnt address my other point pick your favorite youtuber then see how many times u see a colorless deck.
I think after 29 colored preconstructed decks there is room for a single colorless deck.
All the colors already have tons of toys and options and will get even more as the years go by.
Release Date: August 10, 2018
Mothership Spoilers Start: July 30th
Full Spoiler Revealed: August 3rd
I do not think we will get a colorless commander deck yet, but I do think we will get one eventually.
---
Numquam evolutioni obstes. Solum conculceris.
Pascite draconem, evolvite aut morimini.
Sure but does it deserve one in the 25 Years of magic set for commander? I am not so sure this is the set for colorless to get a deck. I mean they are supposedly also boosting the power. Colorless needs a lot of help to get good...help they don't seem to bother giving to weaker monocolors like Red or White.
Granted colorless does have good face card options in Karn and Ugin so there is that. Unlike say Venser they wouldn't look out of place next to Urza, Serra, Bolas, etc.