I cannot fathom wotc cutting both Ajani and Gideon from the main set when both of them will be the whole focal point of Theros. The reasons to go there would be Heliod which both of them have beef with and to save Elspeth which both of them would want, Ajani because she's a good friend and Gideon to recruit into the GW and because he's Gideon and that's kind of what he does. Sure they can get away with making one a pw deck, but there's no way they'll be omitting the other one and fans love Elspeth so they'll want her as well.
As for PW decks, they can keep on giving them to gw members but at some point they will have to give them real cards. If neither get a card in the core set and Theros is in fact the set after it, Gideon won't have a main set card since Amonkhet and Ajani since Aether Revolt. That's a long time especially for Gideon who's one of the main 5.
Now if Theros is 2 sets, that can change things, but at the moment i don't see how they can have enough story line to justify it.
Well Ajani especially since DOM skipped Green & Black as colors. And Kaldesh to Ixalan is gone with the Fall Set. Also need a Black Walker which could be Elspeth, Reborn or Gideon, Blackblade. Also on Ajani, I don't think anyone was really complaining about oversaturation for Ajani when talking about too much Gatewatch. Eventually Gatewatch is going to have show up main set if only because Planeswalker Deck Cards are weak.
We will be getting at least one black aligned walker in Core19, so I wouldn't worry about it. WotC wants to balance the planeswalkers over the year, not in the individual sets.
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If Elspeth does come back, does she have to be white-aligned still? Maybe being sent to the afterlife by Heliod would cause her to change her philosophy. I can definitely see some black in her for all the trauma.
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Interesting to see which path they take, since we don't have much set in the ways of walkers returning from death. I imagine she could fill a BW role since Sorin is stoned, however Elspeth black aligned doesn't sit well with me. My guess is she stays full white aligned. A return to theros doesn't have to mean a recue for Elspeth either, sadly.
I really wish Elspeth would return. Maybe she would be WB then but I would prefer her still being mono W. But for sure Gideon would easily be the main focus for the next Theros Set, maybe as the old and new Sun's Champion?
At least Elspeth would make sense to join the Gatewatch, but there are for sure others. Maybe we will see Ugin and Sorin (I know he is encased in stone at the moment) join the battle against Bolas at least as they are really powerful?
At least I would like to see where the Core Sets go to with Story and all. Do they get 3 or 5 Walkers? But it seems like they are not Mono colored. We got Tezzeret and I saw an image with Ajani as well so I assume we will see him again. From the same source i heard we will see 10 PW Decks for the Core Set, but that may just be another form from the Intro Decks. If there is at least a bit story, I can see some PW that Ajani is searching for here. I still do hope they do not go to Ravnica, if that is the next battle against Bolas, though I really love Ravnica. And if Lili leaves the GW as well I can easily see Theros and looking for Elspeth and other allies.
Lili was using the Gatewatch to help deal with her demons, she had no intention of helping them fight Bolas. Indeed, after Dominaria she will be working for Bolas, not because she want to, but because she defaulted on her contract, which makes Bolas her master.
After Dominaria the Gatewatch will consist of Ajani, Chandra, Gideon, Jace, and Teferi. (As we are getting an Oath of Teferi, him joining them is a given). Jaya being Jaya she'll not join the Gatewatch, but she will be an ally, much like Tamiyo. And Karn, well, he has a massive issue he still needs to deal with before he can join the Gatewatch, namely the issue with tracking Glistening Oil all over the multiverse. He will likely also be an ally to the Gatewatch, but not a member.
That means that the Gatewatch is at a major disadvantage, even with the now fully realized Guildpact Jace among them. So they need both Allies and Members. Vraska will likely help them, but she can't turn directly against Bolas (yet), and there aren't that many other known planeswalkers who could ally with them. Elspeth would likely join if resurrected (and the Therosian afterlife being what it is...), and Sarkhan Vol *hates* Bolas and would likely join to oppose the Elder Dragon. Most of the remaining planeswalkers either won't join for various reasons (such as Koth's hate of Phyrexia), are antagonistic towards individual members of the Gatewatch (such as Ral Zarek, but he would likely help out if Ravnica is threatened directly), or are outright villains.
Thusly, most future members are likely to be new(ish) planeswalkers.
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Reading that analysis regarding composition of the Gatewatch I am wondering whether there is a new monoblack character to take Liliana's spot (since the Gatewatch itself is currently down to 0 even partially black-mana members).
Hmmm, has there even been a new monocolored planeswalker in Standard for a while? The most recent would be Ob Nixilis Reignited if you consider "never had a planeswalker card with that planeswalker type in Standard before" And before that... Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded and Tamiyo, the Moon Sage? Wow.
Well, IF the speculation in this thread is correct and we return to Theros soon, then Elspeth's return is imminent - to take Sorin's spot as the go-to white-black planeswalker (because you know that's what she's going to be after returning from the afterlife ).
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Reading that analysis regarding composition of the Gatewatch I am wondering whether there is a new monoblack character to take Liliana's spot (since the Gatewatch itself is currently down to 0 even partially black-mana members).
Hmmm, has there even been a new monocolored planeswalker in Standard for a while? The most recent would be Ob Nixilis Reignited if you consider "never had a planeswalker card with that planeswalker type in Standard before" And before that... Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded and Tamiyo, the Moon Sage? Wow.
Well, IF the speculation in this thread is correct and we return to Theros soon, then Elspeth's return is imminent - to take Sorin's spot as the go-to white-black planeswalker (because you know that's what she's going to be after returning from the afterlife ).
A monoblack character is a very poor fit for the gatewatch by their very nature, which is why the Liliana debacle could only end in one way: With her leaving them once her demons were dealt with. Nissa saw that, and when the others didn't want to listen to reason, she left. I could see the Gatewatch going to Theros to try and rescue Elspeth to recruit her to the fight against Bolas. I have a feeling we'll be getting a few new planeswalker characters in the next block, some of which may join the Gatewatch. But I do have a feeling that Vraska will end up taking the black spot.
I am all for Ajani rallying the Gatewatch to go raid the Underworld in Theros to get back Elspeth.
There will be no need for raiding, I am sure that Erebos would be more than willing to make a deal with them, particularly considering that Erebos is Hades in all but name.
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I can see Samut (if she's finished helping on Amonkhet), Narset (if she sees this as an opportunity to learn more stuff), Saheeli and possibly Huatli joining as well. In terms of male characters, possibly Sarkhan as mentioned but i can't think of any one else. Dack Fayden?
So Ajani is willing to save Elspeth but not stop Belzenlok on Dominaria interesting...
I think Samut is going to busy for a good while maybe she shows up for a final strike on Bolas. She has more reason to hate Bolas then anyone not named Umezawa or I guess Ugin. Narset and Sarkhan should be easy pickups for attack on Bolas. Narset takes orders from Ojutai who take them from Ugin and Sarkhan is Team Ugin now.
For saving Elsepth specifically though you have to take Gideon, maybe grab Koth?
I rather see a new Plane than revisiting something at this point. If anything, I would much rather go back to Kamigawa instead of Ravanica, and focus on Bolas doing something to that Plane. There hasn't been a "bad guys" focused set in such a long time. Last I can remember is New Phyrexia.
Or make one of the "outside Domineria" sets like Arabian nights and Homelands it's own plane. I guess amonkhet is kind of like Arabian nights, but a Homelands block. Since Homelands likes Legendary creatures, I would like to have something like a commander-esque block.
You have 1 legendary creature of each of the 5 colors, and every card around it focuses around that one single card. It'll kind of feel like a Real Time Strategy Game. I think that'll be kind of fun to play.
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I can see Samut (if she's finished helping on Amonkhet), Narset (if she sees this as an opportunity to learn more stuff), Saheeli and possibly Huatli joining as well. In terms of male characters, possibly Sarkhan as mentioned but i can't think of any one else. Dack Fayden?
Samut is more likely to join Nissa than the Gatewatch, yes she hates Bolas for what he did, but she is currently more concerned with helping the survivors of Amonkhet than anything. And since Nissa's Hour of Devastation Planeswalker deck indicated that she would return there to help them rebuild (as well as work to rebuild Zendikar), it is a lot more likely that they will join forces. I think Nissa will start to recruit her own group to oppose Bolas.
So Ajani is willing to save Elspeth but not stop Belzenlok on Dominaria interesting...
I think Samut is going to busy for a good while maybe she shows up for a final strike on Bolas. She has more reason to hate Bolas then anyone not named Umezawa or I guess Ugin. Narset and Sarkhan should be easy pickups for attack on Bolas. Narset takes orders from Ojutai who take them from Ugin and Sarkhan is Team Ugin now.
For saving Elsepth specifically though you have to take Gideon, maybe grab Koth?
Narset no longer takes orders from anyone. Ojutai sees her as an equal now, and even commended her for her pursuit of knowledge. She left Tarkir, she does not know about Bolas. Sarkhan is the only Tarkir native with a full on hatred of Bolas to the extent that he would join the Gatewatch, and since he got a significant power upgrade due to the temporal paradox he has become. He isn't quite Elder Dragon level, but he would still be a powerful ally.
As for Koth, last we saw him, he was fighting the Phyrexians, alone.
Not sure who else will join but I'm sure we will see a little bit before the ravinca showdown
There's still a good chance Nissan could come back around
It's a possibility, but it is far from a guarantee. She feels betrayed by Gideon and Chandra because they'd rather listen to the obvious villain Lily than her, despite her making a really good point and was, as the card In Bolas's Clutches shows, right. Lily would abandon the Gatewatch once her final demon was dead. That is the problem with purely black aligned characters, they are only in it for themselves. Nissa may return eventually, but it will take a lot.
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I rather see a new Plane than revisiting something at this point. If anything, I would much rather go back to Kamigawa instead of Ravanica, and focus on Bolas doing something to that Plane. There hasn't been a "bad guys" focused set in such a long time. Last I can remember is New Phyrexia.
Did you somehow miss Hour of Devastation?
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I rather see a new Plane than revisiting something at this point. If anything, I would much rather go back to Kamigawa instead of Ravanica, and focus on Bolas doing something to that Plane. There hasn't been a "bad guys" focused set in such a long time. Last I can remember is New Phyrexia.
Did you somehow miss Hour of Devastation?
That still to me is a good guy arc that just lost. Not something like Hour where Jace and co just get separated. That to me is still a good guy focused arc, since it develops the good guys rather than the bad guys. I want to see a bad guy development arc. Even something like Garruk going around killing some one-shot Planeswalkers.
I rather see a new Plane than revisiting something at this point. If anything, I would much rather go back to Kamigawa instead of Ravanica, and focus on Bolas doing something to that Plane. There hasn't been a "bad guys" focused set in such a long time. Last I can remember is New Phyrexia.
Did you somehow miss Hour of Devastation?
That still to me is a good guy arc that just lost. Not something like Hour where Jace and co just get separated. That to me is still a good guy focused arc, since it develops the good guys rather than the bad guys. I want to see a bad guy development arc. Even something like Garruk going around killing some one-shot Planeswalkers.
No, Amonkhet block, and now Dominaria is all about Liliana Vess. A villain, a.k.a. a Bad Girl. A villain protagonist, sure, but she is a villain.
Nissa warned Gideon and Chandra, but they were so enamored with Lily that they wouldn't listen, which is why Nissa left. And lo and behold, Nissa gets proven right. Lily was only in the Gatewatch to use it to help her kill her last demons, now that they are dead she no longer has any real reason to stick around.
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I rather see a new Plane than revisiting something at this point. If anything, I would much rather go back to Kamigawa instead of Ravanica, and focus on Bolas doing something to that Plane. There hasn't been a "bad guys" focused set in such a long time. Last I can remember is New Phyrexia.
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I could see Jace, Gideon and Ajani in Theros. Jace to face off against Ashiok, Ajani to go after Elspeth and Gideon to deal with Heliod's shenanigans and discover the sun god as his father. Gideon is so a demi-god.
Then there's Dack Fayden. And frankly I have no idea. Perhaps Theros is two sets. One to deal with Ashiok, the other for Elspeth. Between those two, the Gatewatch need for allies, Dack, Kiora originally, etc. There was just so much going on in Theros.
They really should have had Ashiok flee Theros after pissing off Phenax. Staging a Planeswalker as the villain, as usual, in a world full of gods from a source material where the gods basically were the star villains, was just outright lame. We see PWs every damn where. We see meddling Greek gods on just Theros. Give us that for once. On the one plane out there meant to have this, give us just that minute measure of accuracy. For once I want the Theros gods to be front and center and PWs taking the back seat to their authority.
As for PW decks, they can keep on giving them to gw members but at some point they will have to give them real cards. If neither get a card in the core set and Theros is in fact the set after it, Gideon won't have a main set card since Amonkhet and Ajani since Aether Revolt. That's a long time especially for Gideon who's one of the main 5.
Now if Theros is 2 sets, that can change things, but at the moment i don't see how they can have enough story line to justify it.
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Unless she is for the next block. It took over a year for Kiora, Nissa, and Ral to show up after they were revealed after all.
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Lili was using the Gatewatch to help deal with her demons, she had no intention of helping them fight Bolas. Indeed, after Dominaria she will be working for Bolas, not because she want to, but because she defaulted on her contract, which makes Bolas her master.
After Dominaria the Gatewatch will consist of Ajani, Chandra, Gideon, Jace, and Teferi. (As we are getting an Oath of Teferi, him joining them is a given). Jaya being Jaya she'll not join the Gatewatch, but she will be an ally, much like Tamiyo. And Karn, well, he has a massive issue he still needs to deal with before he can join the Gatewatch, namely the issue with tracking Glistening Oil all over the multiverse. He will likely also be an ally to the Gatewatch, but not a member.
That means that the Gatewatch is at a major disadvantage, even with the now fully realized Guildpact Jace among them. So they need both Allies and Members. Vraska will likely help them, but she can't turn directly against Bolas (yet), and there aren't that many other known planeswalkers who could ally with them. Elspeth would likely join if resurrected (and the Therosian afterlife being what it is...), and Sarkhan Vol *hates* Bolas and would likely join to oppose the Elder Dragon. Most of the remaining planeswalkers either won't join for various reasons (such as Koth's hate of Phyrexia), are antagonistic towards individual members of the Gatewatch (such as Ral Zarek, but he would likely help out if Ravnica is threatened directly), or are outright villains.
Thusly, most future members are likely to be new(ish) planeswalkers.
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Hmmm, has there even been a new monocolored planeswalker in Standard for a while? The most recent would be Ob Nixilis Reignited if you consider "never had a planeswalker card with that planeswalker type in Standard before" And before that... Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded and Tamiyo, the Moon Sage? Wow.
Well, IF the speculation in this thread is correct and we return to Theros soon, then Elspeth's return is imminent - to take Sorin's spot as the go-to white-black planeswalker (because you know that's what she's going to be after returning from the afterlife ).
Finally a good white villain quote: "So, do I ever re-evaluate my life choices? Never, because I know what I'm doing is a righteous cause."
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A monoblack character is a very poor fit for the gatewatch by their very nature, which is why the Liliana debacle could only end in one way: With her leaving them once her demons were dealt with. Nissa saw that, and when the others didn't want to listen to reason, she left. I could see the Gatewatch going to Theros to try and rescue Elspeth to recruit her to the fight against Bolas. I have a feeling we'll be getting a few new planeswalker characters in the next block, some of which may join the Gatewatch. But I do have a feeling that Vraska will end up taking the black spot.
There will be no need for raiding, I am sure that Erebos would be more than willing to make a deal with them, particularly considering that Erebos is Hades in all but name.
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I think Samut is going to busy for a good while maybe she shows up for a final strike on Bolas. She has more reason to hate Bolas then anyone not named Umezawa or I guess Ugin. Narset and Sarkhan should be easy pickups for attack on Bolas. Narset takes orders from Ojutai who take them from Ugin and Sarkhan is Team Ugin now.
For saving Elsepth specifically though you have to take Gideon, maybe grab Koth?
There's still a good chance Nissan could come back around
Or make one of the "outside Domineria" sets like Arabian nights and Homelands it's own plane. I guess amonkhet is kind of like Arabian nights, but a Homelands block. Since Homelands likes Legendary creatures, I would like to have something like a commander-esque block.
You have 1 legendary creature of each of the 5 colors, and every card around it focuses around that one single card. It'll kind of feel like a Real Time Strategy Game. I think that'll be kind of fun to play.
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Samut is more likely to join Nissa than the Gatewatch, yes she hates Bolas for what he did, but she is currently more concerned with helping the survivors of Amonkhet than anything. And since Nissa's Hour of Devastation Planeswalker deck indicated that she would return there to help them rebuild (as well as work to rebuild Zendikar), it is a lot more likely that they will join forces. I think Nissa will start to recruit her own group to oppose Bolas.
Narset no longer takes orders from anyone. Ojutai sees her as an equal now, and even commended her for her pursuit of knowledge. She left Tarkir, she does not know about Bolas. Sarkhan is the only Tarkir native with a full on hatred of Bolas to the extent that he would join the Gatewatch, and since he got a significant power upgrade due to the temporal paradox he has become. He isn't quite Elder Dragon level, but he would still be a powerful ally.
As for Koth, last we saw him, he was fighting the Phyrexians, alone.
It's a possibility, but it is far from a guarantee. She feels betrayed by Gideon and Chandra because they'd rather listen to the obvious villain Lily than her, despite her making a really good point and was, as the card In Bolas's Clutches shows, right. Lily would abandon the Gatewatch once her final demon was dead. That is the problem with purely black aligned characters, they are only in it for themselves. Nissa may return eventually, but it will take a lot.
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That still to me is a good guy arc that just lost. Not something like Hour where Jace and co just get separated. That to me is still a good guy focused arc, since it develops the good guys rather than the bad guys. I want to see a bad guy development arc. Even something like Garruk going around killing some one-shot Planeswalkers.
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No, Amonkhet block, and now Dominaria is all about Liliana Vess. A villain, a.k.a. a Bad Girl. A villain protagonist, sure, but she is a villain.
Nissa warned Gideon and Chandra, but they were so enamored with Lily that they wouldn't listen, which is why Nissa left. And lo and behold, Nissa gets proven right. Lily was only in the Gatewatch to use it to help her kill her last demons, now that they are dead she no longer has any real reason to stick around.
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Kaladesh then amonkhet then ixalan.
I think revisits are more likely right now.
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Then there's Dack Fayden. And frankly I have no idea. Perhaps Theros is two sets. One to deal with Ashiok, the other for Elspeth. Between those two, the Gatewatch need for allies, Dack, Kiora originally, etc. There was just so much going on in Theros.
They really should have had Ashiok flee Theros after pissing off Phenax. Staging a Planeswalker as the villain, as usual, in a world full of gods from a source material where the gods basically were the star villains, was just outright lame. We see PWs every damn where. We see meddling Greek gods on just Theros. Give us that for once. On the one plane out there meant to have this, give us just that minute measure of accuracy. For once I want the Theros gods to be front and center and PWs taking the back seat to their authority.
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