In the most recent story, Ajani departed to gather more allies. Whether this involves Elspeth, or he put her on the back burner to handle Bolas first, I cannot say. Not sure how she would be able to assist. Rescuing her seems a lot more complicated than just gathering other allies. Besides, I feel like they'd use Gideon as the road back to Theros before Elspeth or Ajani. I wonder if Heliod has a Blackblade headed his way. Not that he deserves it (IMO).
In the most recent story, Ajani departed to gather more allies. Whether this involves Elspeth, or he put her on the back burner to handle Bolas first, I cannot say. Not sure how she would be able to assist. Rescuing her seems a lot more complicated than just gathering other allies. Besides, I feel like they'd use Gideon as the road back to Theros before Elspeth or Ajani. I wonder if Heliod has a Blackblade headed his way. Not that he deserves it (IMO).
Oh, Heliod definitely deserves it. He's the true villain of Theros block. And the fun part, I am fairly certain that Erebos and Kruphix would assist, as they seem to be the two most decent gods of Theros. Ok, Karametra and Ephara are pretty chill as well.
But as much as I like Theros, I think it is to early to tell if the next non-core set is a return or not.
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I imagine Gideon going back to theros and reading/hearing legend of elspeth.
Since they've met Ajani, it is more likely he will learn about her from him that way. I imagine Ajani will mention Theros, then Gideon will say "oh, you've been to Theros? I'm from there.", and then they'll talk, and Ajani will tell Gideon about Elspeth, and they will concoct some plan to rescue her from the Therosian underworld, likely recruiting a couple of other planeswalkers to help them out.
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In the most recent story, Ajani departed to gather more allies. Whether this involves Elspeth, or he put her on the back burner to handle Bolas first, I cannot say. Not sure how she would be able to assist. Rescuing her seems a lot more complicated than just gathering other allies. Besides, I feel like they'd use Gideon as the road back to Theros before Elspeth or Ajani. I wonder if Heliod has a Blackblade headed his way. Not that he deserves it (IMO).
Oh, Heliod definitely deserves it. He's the true villain of Theros block. And the fun part, I am fairly certain that Erebos and Kruphix would assist, as they seem to be the two most decent gods of Theros. Ok, Karametra and Ephara are pretty chill as well. Heliod wants what's in the best interest of Theros. Also, why did Elspeth promise to exchange her life for Daxos?
But as much as I like Theros, I think it is to early to tell if the next non-core set is a return or not.
Heliod isn't a villain at all. Before Elspeth enters Nyx, Thassa has her Bident stolen by a Planeswalker. Xenagos is one too, causing all sorts of turmoil. And who does Heliod learn that Elspeth is a Planeswalker from, and what a Planeswalker actually is, from? Phenax. I can only imagine what kind of skew that information had.
In the most recent story, Ajani departed to gather more allies. Whether this involves Elspeth, or he put her on the back burner to handle Bolas first, I cannot say. Not sure how she would be able to assist. Rescuing her seems a lot more complicated than just gathering other allies. Besides, I feel like they'd use Gideon as the road back to Theros before Elspeth or Ajani. I wonder if Heliod has a Blackblade headed his way. Not that he deserves it (IMO).
Oh, Heliod definitely deserves it. He's the true villain of Theros block. And the fun part, I am fairly certain that Erebos and Kruphix would assist, as they seem to be the two most decent gods of Theros. Ok, Karametra and Ephara are pretty chill as well. Heliod wants what's in the best interest of Theros. Also, why did Elspeth promise to exchange her life for Daxos?
But as much as I like Theros, I think it is to early to tell if the next non-core set is a return or not.
Heliod isn't a villain at all. Before Elspeth enters Nyx, Thassa has her Bident stolen by a Planeswalker. Xenagos is one too, causing all sorts of turmoil. And who does Heliod learn that Elspeth is a Planeswalker from, and what a Planeswalker actually is, from? Phenax. I can only imagine what kind of skew that information had.
Well there's also that thing about Heliod declaring himself "The greatest of these" when that probably isn't true, and fighting with Purphoros, neither of which was caused by planeswalker activity.
Also, you mention Kiora, but even Thassa didn't want Elspeth and Ajani on a pike. IIRC, Nylea even warned Elspeth and Ajani to get out of dodge before Heliod showed up. Heliod is a ****, and everyone who didn't worship him knew it.
In the most recent story, Ajani departed to gather more allies. Whether this involves Elspeth, or he put her on the back burner to handle Bolas first, I cannot say. Not sure how she would be able to assist. Rescuing her seems a lot more complicated than just gathering other allies. Besides, I feel like they'd use Gideon as the road back to Theros before Elspeth or Ajani. I wonder if Heliod has a Blackblade headed his way. Not that he deserves it (IMO).
Oh, Heliod definitely deserves it. He's the true villain of Theros block. And the fun part, I am fairly certain that Erebos and Kruphix would assist, as they seem to be the two most decent gods of Theros. Ok, Karametra and Ephara are pretty chill as well. Heliod wants what's in the best interest of Theros. Also, why did Elspeth promise to exchange her life for Daxos?
But as much as I like Theros, I think it is to early to tell if the next non-core set is a return or not.
Heliod isn't a villain at all. Before Elspeth enters Nyx, Thassa has her Bident stolen by a Planeswalker. Xenagos is one too, causing all sorts of turmoil. And who does Heliod learn that Elspeth is a Planeswalker from, and what a Planeswalker actually is, from? Phenax. I can only imagine what kind of skew that information had.
Well there's also that thing about Heliod declaring himself "The greatest of these" when that probably isn't true, and fighting with Purphoros, neither of which was caused by planeswalker activity.
Also, you mention Kiora, but even Thassa didn't want Elspeth and Ajani on a pike. IIRC, Nylea even warned Elspeth and Ajani to get out of dodge before Heliod showed up. Heliod is a ****, and everyone who didn't worship him knew it.
Heliod is arrogant, selfish and petty, but I don't think he's an outright villain beyond being extreme white philosophy. You can argue he's similar to Konda, although Heliod's actions weren't responsible for the suffering of the entire plane. I don't think his actions warrant him dying. Most people think oh, he killed Elspeth, so he should die. But there's more to it than that.
In the most recent story, Ajani departed to gather more allies. Whether this involves Elspeth, or he put her on the back burner to handle Bolas first, I cannot say. Not sure how she would be able to assist. Rescuing her seems a lot more complicated than just gathering other allies. Besides, I feel like they'd use Gideon as the road back to Theros before Elspeth or Ajani. I wonder if Heliod has a Blackblade headed his way. Not that he deserves it (IMO).
Oh, Heliod definitely deserves it. He's the true villain of Theros block. And the fun part, I am fairly certain that Erebos and Kruphix would assist, as they seem to be the two most decent gods of Theros. Ok, Karametra and Ephara are pretty chill as well. Heliod wants what's in the best interest of Theros. Also, why did Elspeth promise to exchange her life for Daxos?
But as much as I like Theros, I think it is to early to tell if the next non-core set is a return or not.
Heliod isn't a villain at all. Before Elspeth enters Nyx, Thassa has her Bident stolen by a Planeswalker. Xenagos is one too, causing all sorts of turmoil. And who does Heliod learn that Elspeth is a Planeswalker from, and what a Planeswalker actually is, from? Phenax. I can only imagine what kind of skew that information had.
Heliod has a long history of screwing over his champions because they start to become more popular than him, or he sees them as a threat. He sent Kytheon Iora after a titan of erebos for the sole purpose of screwing him over. Kytheon kills the titan with the weapon given, sees Erebos proper and throws the weapon at him. Erebos swats it aside without even looking, and sends it right back to where it came from, killing Kytheon's friends and causing Gideon to spark. Then later on, he "recruits" Elspeth to become his champion and gives her the godslayer weapon to deal with Xenagos, when she succeeds in killing the Satyr god/planeswalker, he slays her shortly afterwards because she's started to become more popular than him. He is a bigger ass than friggin' Zeus was in Greek mythology, and Zeus was a serial rapist. Heliod was the true villain of Theros block. There is no bones about it.
And while we are at it: Liliana Vess is a villain protagonist who murdered half of Thraben, and Urza was as big of a villain as Yawgmoth who knowingly let Tevesh Szat murder Daria so he could have an excuse to kill the demonic planeswalker to power up the powerstone bombs, and then straight up murdered Taysir when called out on his bull*****. Frigg, Urza even joined the Phyrexians in the end. Heck, he blew up an entire continent just to win a dick measuring contest with his own brother.
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I imagine Gideon going back to theros and reading/hearing legend of elspeth.
Since they've met Ajani, it is more likely he will learn about her from him that way. I imagine Ajani will mention Theros, then Gideon will say "oh, you've been to Theros? I'm from there.", and then they'll talk, and Ajani will tell Gideon about Elspeth, and they will concoct some plan to rescue her from the Therosian underworld, likely recruiting a couple of other planeswalkers to help them out.
One major problem with that. If Gideon and Ajani go to Theros to save Elspeth, all 3 will have major story implications which means all 3 will need cards but they're all W aligned, then you add the most probable reappearance of Heliod, that's 4 W aligned mythics
In the most recent story, Ajani departed to gather more allies. Whether this involves Elspeth, or he put her on the back burner to handle Bolas first, I cannot say. Not sure how she would be able to assist. Rescuing her seems a lot more complicated than just gathering other allies. Besides, I feel like they'd use Gideon as the road back to Theros before Elspeth or Ajani. I wonder if Heliod has a Blackblade headed his way. Not that he deserves it (IMO).
Oh, Heliod definitely deserves it. He's the true villain of Theros block. And the fun part, I am fairly certain that Erebos and Kruphix would assist, as they seem to be the two most decent gods of Theros. Ok, Karametra and Ephara are pretty chill as well. Heliod wants what's in the best interest of Theros. Also, why did Elspeth promise to exchange her life for Daxos?
But as much as I like Theros, I think it is to early to tell if the next non-core set is a return or not.
Heliod isn't a villain at all. Before Elspeth enters Nyx, Thassa has her Bident stolen by a Planeswalker. Xenagos is one too, causing all sorts of turmoil. And who does Heliod learn that Elspeth is a Planeswalker from, and what a Planeswalker actually is, from? Phenax. I can only imagine what kind of skew that information had.
Heliod has a long history of screwing over his champions because they start to become more popular than him, or he sees them as a threat. He sent Kytheon Iora after a titan of erebos for the sole purpose of screwing him over. Kytheon kills the titan with the weapon given, sees Erebos proper and throws the weapon at him. Erebos swats it aside without even looking, and sends it right back to where it came from, killing Kytheon's friends and causing Gideon to spark. Then later on, he "recruits" Elspeth to become his champion and gives her the godslayer weapon to deal with Xenagos, when she succeeds in killing the Satyr god/planeswalker, he slays her shortly afterwards because she's started to become more popular than him. He is a bigger ass than friggin' Zeus was in Greek mythology, and Zeus was a serial rapist. Heliod was the true villain of Theros block. There is no bones about it.
And while we are at it: Liliana Vess is a villain protagonist who murdered half of Thraben, and Urza was as big of a villain as Yawgmoth who knowingly let Tevesh Szat murder Daria so he could have an excuse to kill the demonic planeswalker to power up the powerstone bombs, and then straight up murdered Taysir when called out on his bull*****. Frigg, Urza even joined the Phyrexians in the end. Heck, he blew up an entire continent just to win a dick measuring contest with his own brother.
In the most recent story, Ajani departed to gather more allies. Whether this involves Elspeth, or he put her on the back burner to handle Bolas first, I cannot say. Not sure how she would be able to assist. Rescuing her seems a lot more complicated than just gathering other allies. Besides, I feel like they'd use Gideon as the road back to Theros before Elspeth or Ajani. I wonder if Heliod has a Blackblade headed his way. Not that he deserves it (IMO).
Oh, Heliod definitely deserves it. He's the true villain of Theros block. And the fun part, I am fairly certain that Erebos and Kruphix would assist, as they seem to be the two most decent gods of Theros. Ok, Karametra and Ephara are pretty chill as well. Heliod wants what's in the best interest of Theros. Also, why did Elspeth promise to exchange her life for Daxos?
But as much as I like Theros, I think it is to early to tell if the next non-core set is a return or not.
Heliod isn't a villain at all. Before Elspeth enters Nyx, Thassa has her Bident stolen by a Planeswalker. Xenagos is one too, causing all sorts of turmoil. And who does Heliod learn that Elspeth is a Planeswalker from, and what a Planeswalker actually is, from? Phenax. I can only imagine what kind of skew that information had.
Heliod has a long history of screwing over his champions because they start to become more popular than him, or he sees them as a threat. He sent Kytheon Iora after a titan of erebos for the sole purpose of screwing him over. Kytheon kills the titan with the weapon given, sees Erebos proper and throws the weapon at him. Erebos swats it aside without even looking, and sends it right back to where it came from, killing Kytheon's friends and causing Gideon to spark. Then later on, he "recruits" Elspeth to become his champion and gives her the godslayer weapon to deal with Xenagos, when she succeeds in killing the Satyr god/planeswalker, he slays her shortly afterwards because she's started to become more popular than him. He is a bigger ass than friggin' Zeus was in Greek mythology, and Zeus was a serial rapist. Heliod was the true villain of Theros block. There is no bones about it.
And while we are at it: Liliana Vess is a villain protagonist who murdered half of Thraben, and Urza was as big of a villain as Yawgmoth who knowingly let Tevesh Szat murder Daria so he could have an excuse to kill the demonic planeswalker to power up the powerstone bombs, and then straight up murdered Taysir when called out on his bull*****. Frigg, Urza even joined the Phyrexians in the end. Heck, he blew up an entire continent just to win a dick measuring contest with his own brother.
Would they really do Devotion again? I thought it was an unpopular mechanic.
That's news to me, considering how I've always seen people singing that mechanic's praises. Truth be told, Devotion was one of the more (if not the most) successful mechanics that debuted in Theros block, and I'd find it odd if it didn't return in Theros return set. Monstrosity was also neat, and I wouldn't mind it returning.
Heroic was OK, and I could see it returning too, but I'm not a fan of it personally. Constellation was interesting, and they could have done a lot more with it to make enchantments-matter a viable thing, but it had the misfortune of only appearing in the third set.
Tribute and Bestow, on the other hand, were mechanics that just downright sucked. Tribute was bad, and Bestow could have been OK if the bestow costs weren't so high.
I really hope in the Theros return set(s) that Constellation gets a bigger focus, and that noncreature enchantments in that set(s) are given more oomph.
That said, I'm also open to the idea that the next plane might be somewhere we don't expect. Ravnica is inevitable and Theros is as good as confirmed for a future set due to the lore, but it doesn't mean they'll show up in the short term.
I imagine Gideon going back to theros and reading/hearing legend of elspeth.
Since they've met Ajani, it is more likely he will learn about her from him that way. I imagine Ajani will mention Theros, then Gideon will say "oh, you've been to Theros? I'm from there.", and then they'll talk, and Ajani will tell Gideon about Elspeth, and they will concoct some plan to rescue her from the Therosian underworld, likely recruiting a couple of other planeswalkers to help them out.
One major problem with that. If Gideon and Ajani go to Theros to save Elspeth, all 3 will have major story implications which means all 3 will need cards but they're all W aligned, then you add the most probable reappearance of Heliod, that's 4 W aligned mythics
Yes, because both Gideon and Lily got cards in Dominaria despite being the main characters of the story.... Oh, wait...
In the most recent story, Ajani departed to gather more allies. Whether this involves Elspeth, or he put her on the back burner to handle Bolas first, I cannot say. Not sure how she would be able to assist. Rescuing her seems a lot more complicated than just gathering other allies. Besides, I feel like they'd use Gideon as the road back to Theros before Elspeth or Ajani. I wonder if Heliod has a Blackblade headed his way. Not that he deserves it (IMO).
Oh, Heliod definitely deserves it. He's the true villain of Theros block. And the fun part, I am fairly certain that Erebos and Kruphix would assist, as they seem to be the two most decent gods of Theros. Ok, Karametra and Ephara are pretty chill as well. Heliod wants what's in the best interest of Theros. Also, why did Elspeth promise to exchange her life for Daxos?
But as much as I like Theros, I think it is to early to tell if the next non-core set is a return or not.
Heliod isn't a villain at all. Before Elspeth enters Nyx, Thassa has her Bident stolen by a Planeswalker. Xenagos is one too, causing all sorts of turmoil. And who does Heliod learn that Elspeth is a Planeswalker from, and what a Planeswalker actually is, from? Phenax. I can only imagine what kind of skew that information had.
Heliod has a long history of screwing over his champions because they start to become more popular than him, or he sees them as a threat. He sent Kytheon Iora after a titan of erebos for the sole purpose of screwing him over. Kytheon kills the titan with the weapon given, sees Erebos proper and throws the weapon at him. Erebos swats it aside without even looking, and sends it right back to where it came from, killing Kytheon's friends and causing Gideon to spark. Then later on, he "recruits" Elspeth to become his champion and gives her the godslayer weapon to deal with Xenagos, when she succeeds in killing the Satyr god/planeswalker, he slays her shortly afterwards because she's started to become more popular than him. He is a bigger ass than friggin' Zeus was in Greek mythology, and Zeus was a serial rapist. Heliod was the true villain of Theros block. There is no bones about it.
And while we are at it: Liliana Vess is a villain protagonist who murdered half of Thraben, and Urza was as big of a villain as Yawgmoth who knowingly let Tevesh Szat murder Daria so he could have an excuse to kill the demonic planeswalker to power up the powerstone bombs, and then straight up murdered Taysir when called out on his bull*****. Frigg, Urza even joined the Phyrexians in the end. Heck, he blew up an entire continent just to win a dick measuring contest with his own brother.
In the most recent story, Ajani departed to gather more allies. Whether this involves Elspeth, or he put her on the back burner to handle Bolas first, I cannot say. Not sure how she would be able to assist. Rescuing her seems a lot more complicated than just gathering other allies. Besides, I feel like they'd use Gideon as the road back to Theros before Elspeth or Ajani. I wonder if Heliod has a Blackblade headed his way. Not that he deserves it (IMO).
Oh, Heliod definitely deserves it. He's the true villain of Theros block. And the fun part, I am fairly certain that Erebos and Kruphix would assist, as they seem to be the two most decent gods of Theros. Ok, Karametra and Ephara are pretty chill as well. Heliod wants what's in the best interest of Theros. Also, why did Elspeth promise to exchange her life for Daxos?
But as much as I like Theros, I think it is to early to tell if the next non-core set is a return or not.
Heliod isn't a villain at all. Before Elspeth enters Nyx, Thassa has her Bident stolen by a Planeswalker. Xenagos is one too, causing all sorts of turmoil. And who does Heliod learn that Elspeth is a Planeswalker from, and what a Planeswalker actually is, from? Phenax. I can only imagine what kind of skew that information had.
Heliod has a long history of screwing over his champions because they start to become more popular than him, or he sees them as a threat. He sent Kytheon Iora after a titan of erebos for the sole purpose of screwing him over. Kytheon kills the titan with the weapon given, sees Erebos proper and throws the weapon at him. Erebos swats it aside without even looking, and sends it right back to where it came from, killing Kytheon's friends and causing Gideon to spark. Then later on, he "recruits" Elspeth to become his champion and gives her the godslayer weapon to deal with Xenagos, when she succeeds in killing the Satyr god/planeswalker, he slays her shortly afterwards because she's started to become more popular than him. He is a bigger ass than friggin' Zeus was in Greek mythology, and Zeus was a serial rapist. Heliod was the true villain of Theros block. There is no bones about it.
And while we are at it: Liliana Vess is a villain protagonist who murdered half of Thraben, and Urza was as big of a villain as Yawgmoth who knowingly let Tevesh Szat murder Daria so he could have an excuse to kill the demonic planeswalker to power up the powerstone bombs, and then straight up murdered Taysir when called out on his bull*****. Frigg, Urza even joined the Phyrexians in the end. Heck, he blew up an entire continent just to win a dick measuring contest with his own brother.
How is Gideon's hubris Heliod's fault?
Reread my post, I didn't say it was.
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Are you really comparing Dominaria to Theros? Dominaria is an exception, people would have gone absolutely bonkers if wotc didn't give either Jaya, Teferi or Karn a card to give one to Gideon or Lily instead.The only pws known to be on Theros at the moment are Elspeth and Dack Fayden. So even if they cut Gideon or Ajani, that still makes 2 white walkers
Are you really comparing Dominaria to Theros? Dominaria is an exception, people would have gone absolutely bonkers if wotc didn't give either Jaya, Teferi or Karn a card to give one to Gideon or Lily instead.The only pws known to be on Theros at the moment are Elspeth and Dack Fayden. So even if they cut Gideon or Ajani, that still makes 2 white walkers
Design is going cutting back the number of gatewatch planeswalker members in the set to give more room to other characters, instead giving the the preference for the duel decks (as seen with Chandra) and they show sets that have planeswalker as storyline characters even if they didn't get a card. I could see Gideon getting a duel deck card while Ajani and/or Elspeth get a card in the set.
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Would they really do Devotion again? I thought it was an unpopular mechanic.
That's news to me, considering how I've always seen people singing that mechanic's praises. Truth be told, Devotion was one of the more (if not the most) successful mechanics that debuted in Theros block, and I'd find it odd if it didn't return in Theros return set. Monstrosity was also neat, and I wouldn't mind it returning.
Heroic was OK, and I could see it returning too, but I'm not a fan of it personally. Constellation was interesting, and they could have done a lot more with it to make enchantments-matter a viable thing, but it had the misfortune of only appearing in the third set.
Tribute and Bestow, on the other hand, were mechanics that just downright sucked. Tribute was bad, and Bestow could have been OK if the bestow costs weren't so high.
Don't forget strive, which was probably even worse with its costs than bestow was. In fact, most of the monstrosity cards had that problem as well. I actually found heroic a decent mechanic that was generally on decent cards (though I wish it had been "whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability" instead). Constellation was held back by needing to be on enchantments (which is why I made a tweaked version of it for a custom set I'm doing) and, as you set, only being in the third set. Inspired was another mechanic that was just kind of there.
Are you really comparing Dominaria to Theros? Dominaria is an exception, people would have gone absolutely bonkers if wotc didn't give either Jaya, Teferi or Karn a card to give one to Gideon or Lily instead.The only pws known to be on Theros at the moment are Elspeth and Dack Fayden. So even if they cut Gideon or Ajani, that still makes 2 white walkers
Design is going cutting back the number of gatewatch planeswalker members in the set to give more room to other characters, instead giving the the preference for the duel decks (as seen with Chandra) and they show sets that have planeswalker as storyline characters even if they didn't get a card. I could see Gideon getting a duel deck card while Ajani and/or Elspeth get a card in the set.
I understand that. But like i said, even if they cut one of either Ajani or Gideon (or make a pw deck as you said), that still leaves 2 white aligned walkers. It's only a concern of mine because of hpw uptight wotc is about color balancing.
Are you really comparing Dominaria to Theros? Dominaria is an exception, people would have gone absolutely bonkers if wotc didn't give either Jaya, Teferi or Karn a card to give one to Gideon or Lily instead.The only pws known to be on Theros at the moment are Elspeth and Dack Fayden. So even if they cut Gideon or Ajani, that still makes 2 white walkers
Design is going cutting back the number of gatewatch planeswalker members in the set to give more room to other characters, instead giving the the preference for the duel decks (as seen with Chandra) and they show sets that have planeswalker as storyline characters even if they didn't get a card. I could see Gideon getting a duel deck card while Ajani and/or Elspeth get a card in the set.
I understand that. But like i said, even if they cut one of either Ajani or Gideon (or make a pw deck as you said), that still leaves 2 white aligned walkers. It's only a concern of mine because of hpw uptight wotc is about color balancing.
Not like Ajani is going to be mono-white since they decided he's green/white now and they had him and Elspeth in Theros together. It will depend on how thy doing walkers in the new blockless plan and the core sets and what other walkers are going around. They might let Theros have all the white planeswalkers for that year if the rest of the sets don't have them. Plus with the number of storylines for Theros they might let it have two sets in which case their is more room to add in walkers.
I think there is an issue with Gideon, Ajani and Elspeth all wanting to be in one set but they a lot of ways they can fix it or make it work.
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Are you really comparing Dominaria to Theros? Dominaria is an exception, people would have gone absolutely bonkers if wotc didn't give either Jaya, Teferi or Karn a card to give one to Gideon or Lily instead.The only pws known to be on Theros at the moment are Elspeth and Dack Fayden. So even if they cut Gideon or Ajani, that still makes 2 white walkers
Design is going cutting back the number of gatewatch planeswalker members in the set to give more room to other characters, instead giving the the preference for the duel decks (as seen with Chandra) and they show sets that have planeswalker as storyline characters even if they didn't get a card. I could see Gideon getting a duel deck card while Ajani and/or Elspeth get a card in the set.
And we have a winner.
Heck, they only need to give one of the three white aligned walkers a card in the set (and one in the duel deck). And that is if they don't use two or more sets on the plane. Which they can do if they chose to.
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Return to Theros could have Dack Fayden (blue/red) and Gideon Blackblade (white/black). Xenagos is also an option. if the characters are going to the underworld to rescue Elspeth they might encounter another dead planeswalker on the way. Ashiok is also fond of the plane.
Yeah I am not sure how Gideon trying to kill a God and getting all his friends killed is Heliod's Fault.
But yes Heliod is worse then Zeus. In that Zeus didn't directly screw over his champions. Granted in Greco-Roman Mythology there was no way for mortal to surpass a God especially when you consider the Gods had the divine form instakill mode. So I suppose Zeus wasn't worried about a Human rising up.
Maybe Gideon goes home uses the Blackblade on Heliod and they both die.
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Oh, Heliod definitely deserves it. He's the true villain of Theros block. And the fun part, I am fairly certain that Erebos and Kruphix would assist, as they seem to be the two most decent gods of Theros. Ok, Karametra and Ephara are pretty chill as well.
But as much as I like Theros, I think it is to early to tell if the next non-core set is a return or not.
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Since they've met Ajani, it is more likely he will learn about her from him that way. I imagine Ajani will mention Theros, then Gideon will say "oh, you've been to Theros? I'm from there.", and then they'll talk, and Ajani will tell Gideon about Elspeth, and they will concoct some plan to rescue her from the Therosian underworld, likely recruiting a couple of other planeswalkers to help them out.
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Numquam evolutioni obstes. Solum conculceris.
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|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Well there's also that thing about Heliod declaring himself "The greatest of these" when that probably isn't true, and fighting with Purphoros, neither of which was caused by planeswalker activity.
Also, you mention Kiora, but even Thassa didn't want Elspeth and Ajani on a pike. IIRC, Nylea even warned Elspeth and Ajani to get out of dodge before Heliod showed up. Heliod is a ****, and everyone who didn't worship him knew it.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Heliod has a long history of screwing over his champions because they start to become more popular than him, or he sees them as a threat. He sent Kytheon Iora after a titan of erebos for the sole purpose of screwing him over. Kytheon kills the titan with the weapon given, sees Erebos proper and throws the weapon at him. Erebos swats it aside without even looking, and sends it right back to where it came from, killing Kytheon's friends and causing Gideon to spark. Then later on, he "recruits" Elspeth to become his champion and gives her the godslayer weapon to deal with Xenagos, when she succeeds in killing the Satyr god/planeswalker, he slays her shortly afterwards because she's started to become more popular than him. He is a bigger ass than friggin' Zeus was in Greek mythology, and Zeus was a serial rapist. Heliod was the true villain of Theros block. There is no bones about it.
And while we are at it: Liliana Vess is a villain protagonist who murdered half of Thraben, and Urza was as big of a villain as Yawgmoth who knowingly let Tevesh Szat murder Daria so he could have an excuse to kill the demonic planeswalker to power up the powerstone bombs, and then straight up murdered Taysir when called out on his bull*****. Frigg, Urza even joined the Phyrexians in the end. Heck, he blew up an entire continent just to win a dick measuring contest with his own brother.
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Numquam evolutioni obstes. Solum conculceris.
Pascite draconem, evolvite aut morimini.
One major problem with that. If Gideon and Ajani go to Theros to save Elspeth, all 3 will have major story implications which means all 3 will need cards but they're all W aligned, then you add the most probable reappearance of Heliod, that's 4 W aligned mythics
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
That's news to me, considering how I've always seen people singing that mechanic's praises. Truth be told, Devotion was one of the more (if not the most) successful mechanics that debuted in Theros block, and I'd find it odd if it didn't return in Theros return set. Monstrosity was also neat, and I wouldn't mind it returning.
Heroic was OK, and I could see it returning too, but I'm not a fan of it personally. Constellation was interesting, and they could have done a lot more with it to make enchantments-matter a viable thing, but it had the misfortune of only appearing in the third set.
Tribute and Bestow, on the other hand, were mechanics that just downright sucked. Tribute was bad, and Bestow could have been OK if the bestow costs weren't so high.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
That said, I'm also open to the idea that the next plane might be somewhere we don't expect. Ravnica is inevitable and Theros is as good as confirmed for a future set due to the lore, but it doesn't mean they'll show up in the short term.
Yes, because both Gideon and Lily got cards in Dominaria despite being the main characters of the story.... Oh, wait...
Reread my post, I didn't say it was.
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Numquam evolutioni obstes. Solum conculceris.
Pascite draconem, evolvite aut morimini.
Design is going cutting back the number of gatewatch planeswalker members in the set to give more room to other characters, instead giving the the preference for the duel decks (as seen with Chandra) and they show sets that have planeswalker as storyline characters even if they didn't get a card. I could see Gideon getting a duel deck card while Ajani and/or Elspeth get a card in the set.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
Don't forget strive, which was probably even worse with its costs than bestow was. In fact, most of the monstrosity cards had that problem as well. I actually found heroic a decent mechanic that was generally on decent cards (though I wish it had been "whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability" instead). Constellation was held back by needing to be on enchantments (which is why I made a tweaked version of it for a custom set I'm doing) and, as you set, only being in the third set. Inspired was another mechanic that was just kind of there.
I understand that. But like i said, even if they cut one of either Ajani or Gideon (or make a pw deck as you said), that still leaves 2 white aligned walkers. It's only a concern of mine because of hpw uptight wotc is about color balancing.
Not like Ajani is going to be mono-white since they decided he's green/white now and they had him and Elspeth in Theros together. It will depend on how thy doing walkers in the new blockless plan and the core sets and what other walkers are going around. They might let Theros have all the white planeswalkers for that year if the rest of the sets don't have them. Plus with the number of storylines for Theros they might let it have two sets in which case their is more room to add in walkers.
I think there is an issue with Gideon, Ajani and Elspeth all wanting to be in one set but they a lot of ways they can fix it or make it work.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
And we have a winner.
Heck, they only need to give one of the three white aligned walkers a card in the set (and one in the duel deck). And that is if they don't use two or more sets on the plane. Which they can do if they chose to.
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Numquam evolutioni obstes. Solum conculceris.
Pascite draconem, evolvite aut morimini.
But yes Heliod is worse then Zeus. In that Zeus didn't directly screw over his champions. Granted in Greco-Roman Mythology there was no way for mortal to surpass a God especially when you consider the Gods had the divine form instakill mode. So I suppose Zeus wasn't worried about a Human rising up.
Maybe Gideon goes home uses the Blackblade on Heliod and they both die.