Emrakul being on Innistrad makes sense because she's the Titan that corrupts living things but doesn't do anything to the environment. From what little we know, it would seem that Avacyn was either killed or turned against the people.
But they might save revealing Em for a new plane, so that they can tie it into the overarching storyline, and a new Emrakul would be a chase mythic that could sell the set in which they don't have their favourite crutch to lean on.
Emrakul could also be still on Zendikar, but I think that this is the least likely.
So what do you think?
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I think if Emrakul was in OGW it would've been leaked. It seems more and more likely to me that there will be an Emrakul appearance in SOI, and I don't know what to think of that. Most likely a way to try and shoehorn Liliana into the main five. It could of course be interesting, but with the way WOTC is writing, I doubt it.
Don't you think they want to drag this out a bit more? I mean, trilogies are sort of the norm and I'm thinking they want to milk this whole mystery thing of where Emmy is a bit more
Don't you think they want to drag this out a bit more? I mean, trilogies are sort of the norm and I'm thinking they want to milk this whole mystery thing of where Emmy is a bit more
That's what I thought at first, but with Kozilek's appearance in OGW, it seems that the story is moving faster than I guessed.
My theory is that WOTC knows Emrakul is the most popular Titan and this whole 'sticking a hand in a pond' metaphor is going to have something to to with Emrakul's next card. Some mechanical significance to them being these beings being more than what they appear as.
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Definitely not on Zendikar. There is only one mythic missing and it most certainly is white (most colours have two mythics and white doesn't even have one yet). And while I would like to see her brood in white, I can't imagine Emrakul herself being monowhite.
Hopefully not on Innistrad. I already find two return blocks in a row to be too much, let alone both of them being about Eldrazis. Plus, Innistrad has a lot more going for it mechanically than Zendikar, adding Eldrazis on top of it just feels excessive to me.
I really, really doubt they'll destroy Innistrad with the eldrazi too. They haven't even expanded on the phyrexian oil after 6 years even though karn allegedly leaked it all over the place. It would basically monopolize the story of every plane it happens on because the eldrazi and the phyrexians pretty thorougly annihilate everyone. It really isn't that cool once you think about the actual implications of expanding the eldrazi/phyrexians to other planes. If emrakul isn't in this set, I seriously doubt it will show up at all until Zendikar 3 any more than Kozi would have shown up elsewhere. Sure, the broods are physically distinct, but in a practical sense, it doesn't matter because all 3 will basically destroy any plane out there without fail which would get a little monotonous like a children's show and basically defeat the point of plane hopping.
I would rather imagine them not having Emrakul on Innistrad but I also can't imagine two Eldrazi Titans being rotated out of Standard before the last one is even announced.
I always thought it would be pretty cool if the eldrazi ended up on New Phyrexia. Which supervillain would come out on top? Would also likely draw one storyline to a close, opening the way for new villains (probably planeswalkers).
I really hope Emrakul is not on Innistrad. One thing I think would be a fairly fitting conclusion to the Eldrazi issue would be to have a confrontation with Emrakul take place on Dominaria, which has been confirmed at some point.
Emrakul is the last of the titans, there's also the possibility of them creating a new Titan as well to bring the count up to four. Considering that she is the "female" and the most powerful, for all we know she could have a new little one on the way.
I think with Bela Ged gone that becomes the new Eldrazi home continent on Zendikar and that colorless becomes a part of the natural order if they find a way to "balance the force" with the Eldrazi there to find a "new way" forwards.
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Yes, definitely. I think she is somehow imprisoned inside the silver moon there. Think Helvault only much, MUCH bigger.
It would feel very strange indeed to have them introduce two of them in back-to-back sets and then NOT round things out with a new Emrakul. I also think Innistrad is the perfect place to do a true Lovecraftian horror block full of tentacles, forbidden knowledge, secret moonlit rituals, and people losing their minds.
It occurs to me the storyline could actually go there this time...I mean, why not? Dwarves living on Innistrad's moon keeping her under guard, maybe?
Yes, definitely. I think she is somehow imprisoned inside the silver moon there. Think Helvault only much, MUCH bigger.
It would feel very strange indeed to have them introduce two of them in back-to-back sets and then NOT round things out with a new Emrakul. I also think Innistrad is the perfect place to do a true Lovecraftian horror block full of tentacles, forbidden knowledge, secret moonlit rituals, and people losing their minds.
It occurs to me the storyline could actually go there this time...I mean, why not? Dwarves living on Innistrad's moon keeping her under guard, maybe?
Because that isn't what WOTC wants out of horror. They don't want mysterious happenings, they want crazy weird creatures chopping people up. That's what you'll be getting if Emrakul is behind the events on Innistrad. Instead of people being killed by werewolves, ghosts, zombies, and vampires, they'll be killed by Eldrazi-corrupted humans. Not to mention that you can't capture Lovecraftian horror when Cthulhu can be slowed down by a lone painter, and thwarted by a single snake or 15 ordinary people.
Because that isn't what WOTC wants out of horror. They don't want mysterious happenings, they want crazy weird creatures chopping people up. That's what you'll be getting if Emrakul is behind the events on Innistrad. Instead of people being killed by werewolves, ghosts, zombies, and vampires, they'll be killed by Eldrazi-corrupted humans. Not to mention that you can't capture Lovecraftian horror when Cthulhu can be slowed down by a lone painter, and thwarted by a single snake or 15 ordinary people.
Interesting. So, the fact the old Emrakul (which won't be reprinted, incidentally) can be chump-blocked somehow invalidates a new version of Emrakul from showing up on Innistrad?
I don't know if we should expect the same Humans vs Monsters this time around since, well, all of that was resolved by end of AVR wasn't it? (Cursemute fixed Werewolves. Avacyn's release brought back the power of the church, presumably pushing back Vampires & Zombies, and brought the plane back into its essential balance.)
Lovecraftian type thing is just about THE ONLY thing I could see working here.
1)You have Horror World.
2)You have 100-foot tall Alien Monster World preceding it.
3)They need to have interblock synergy
What the hell else themewise could even possibly work better here? I mean, it practically decides itself. Maybe it's too obvious/easy though...that's actually my only doubt about it.
Edit: I just realized any conflict between reality and warped reality could also be expressed rather well with DFC's which are definitely coming back. Two vesions of the same thing and you wouldn't need to limit it to creatures this time. Literally anything could transform this time.
Interesting. So, the fact the old Emrakul (which won't be reprinted, incidentally) can be chump-blocked somehow invalidates a new version of Emrakul from showing up on Innistrad?
I don't know if we should expect the same Humans vs Monsters this time around since, well, all of that was resolved by end of AVR wasn't it? (Cursemute fixed Werewolves. Avacyn's release brought back the power of the church, presumably pushing back Vampires & Zombies, and brought the plane back into its essential balance.)
Not quite. The Wolfir are *only* the werewolves who were cursed, did not want the curse, and were willing to follow Avacyn. Avacyn couldn't get rid of the curse, but instead change those loyal to her into Wolfir. Those werewolves that enjoyed being werewolves were not turned into Wolfir, and instead fled. So werewolves very much exist, just in hiding currently and significantly reduced in number.
There is also no clear indication of what is going on with the Vampires on Innistrad, as well. They most certainly exist- as Avacyn is *not* tasked with destroying them, but I'm uncertain what happened to them at all. If someone could enlighten us on the situaton, it would be great.
Equally, the teaser for SOI makes it apparent that something isn't right with Innistrad's balance. It seems something may have upset the balance in a big way there again.
Lovecraftian type thing is just about THE ONLY thing I could see working here.
1)You have Horror World.
2)You have 100-foot tall Alien Monster World preceding it.
3)They need to have interblock synergy
What the hell else themewise could even possibly work better here? I mean, it practically decides itself. Maybe it's too obvious/easy though...that's actually my only doubt about it.
Agreed for the most part on it having a Lovecraftian horror theme this time around. Hopefully they took cues from Lovecraftian horror, and don't just have Emrakul going all smashy-smashy on Innistrad, such as what is happening in Zendikar. A bit of subtlety would be nice this time around.
Because that isn't what WOTC wants out of horror. They don't want mysterious happenings, they want crazy weird creatures chopping people up. That's what you'll be getting if Emrakul is behind the events on Innistrad. Instead of people being killed by werewolves, ghosts, zombies, and vampires, they'll be killed by Eldrazi-corrupted humans. Not to mention that you can't capture Lovecraftian horror when Cthulhu can be slowed down by a lone painter, and thwarted by a single snake or 15 ordinary people.
Interesting. So, the fact the old Emrakul (which won't be reprinted, incidentally) can be chump-blocked somehow invalidates a new version of Emrakul from showing up on Innistrad?
I don't know if we should expect the same Humans vs Monsters this time around since, well, all of that was resolved by end of AVR wasn't it? (Cursemute fixed Werewolves. Avacyn's release brought back the power of the church, presumably pushing back Vampires & Zombies, and brought the plane back into its essential balance.)
Lovecraftian type thing is just about THE ONLY thing I could see working here.
1)You have Horror World.
2)You have 100-foot tall Alien Monster World preceding it.
3)They need to have interblock synergy
What the hell else themewise could even possibly work better here? I mean, it practically decides itself. Maybe it's too obvious/easy though...that's actually my only doubt about it.
Edit: I just realized any conflict between reality and warped reality could also be expressed rather well with DFC's which are definitely coming back. Two vesions of the same thing and you wouldn't need to limit it to creatures this time. Literally anything could transform this time.
Because you're considering ideally what should happen, instead of based on past experience with WOTC, what will happen. Emrakul was supposed to be Lovecraftian horror, that was their honest attempt. I have no reason to assume it will be any different this time.
Not to mention that both old and new Kozilek and Ulamog could be chumped. There is no evidence to suggest new Emrakul won't have the same limitation either. Ulamog has been the only one that is indestructible.
Well, adding extra commons, rares, and mythics to small sets gives us room for a white mythic and emrakul. Storywise, it probably isn't that big in the set due to it showing up at the end of eldrazi cliffhanger 2.0 when Emrakul ruins whatever trap they set in OGW and the walkers retreat again, though. Of course, it probably gets its own wastes for consistancy anyway.
It just occurred to me that perhaps the most interesting place for Emrakul to show up is Dominaria. Making magic the gathering's original plane the Eldrazi's next target would up the stakes wonderfully as well as satisfy the growing demand for a block that returns to Dominaria.
Storyline wise, it gives Liliana a reason to care about the Eldrazi, since that is her home plane. She was exiled by her family, but she could still have a soft spot for her birthplace and saving Dominaria would give her the redemptive arc WOTC seems to want her to have.
Was just thinking about it a bit and thought it would be cool if Emrakul ends up on Theros. Gods vs Eldrazi. So my hope is for none of the three options in the poll.
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I've been doing this a long time. The shadow over innistrad is prob most likely Emrakul, that's where she went... Obviously our group of heroes will be going with Sorin to save Innistrad cuz it's the coolest plane of course! There is a story arc for sure I can feel it!
Was just thinking about it a bit and thought it would be cool if Emrakul ends up on Theros. Gods vs Eldrazi. So my hope is for none of the three options in the poll.
Oh man, the gods would get slaughtered. It wouldn't even be a fight.
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Was just thinking about it a bit and thought it would be cool if Emrakul ends up on Theros. Gods vs Eldrazi. So my hope is for none of the three options in the poll.
Oh man, the gods would get slaughtered. It wouldn't even be a fight.
They are larger than the Eldrazi so, I am not so sure. Seeing as it is a Greek mythology world, it would be a good conflict to bring the MTG universe's version of chronos into the set. The current Gods resurrect their parent God (5 colored) to combat the eldrazi. Chronos is known for eating his children, so he is likely powered up in comparison to the Gods. He ate his kids even. So, he might try snacking on an Eldrazi or two.
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That is pretty cool, but since the gods of theros are created, strengthend, or depowered by mortal beliefs, the introduction of an otherworldly cosmic deity would do the most damage by far to the gods, as mortal beliefs would be shattered.
That is pretty cool, but since the gods of theros are created, strengthend, or depowered by mortal beliefs, the introduction of an otherworldly cosmic deity would do the most damage by far to the gods, as mortal beliefs would be shattered.
But the Gods seeing the threat would spring into action and gather worshipers by coming to the rescue. A new threat presents itself, people suffer, Gods see this as a threat and swing into action. And besides, devotion could be demonstrated in other ways in a future set. Leveling could fill the roll in a flavorful way. Each "offering" of the Gods colored mana you devote to them increases their stats and abilities. Or every time they deal combat damage, they level. There are ways to show their interaction with their followers outside of new chroma aka devotion. I'm sure wizards could come up with a way to do it in a proper way.
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But they might save revealing Em for a new plane, so that they can tie it into the overarching storyline, and a new Emrakul would be a chase mythic that could sell the set in which they don't have their favourite crutch to lean on.
Emrakul could also be still on Zendikar, but I think that this is the least likely.
So what do you think?
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My theory is that WOTC knows Emrakul is the most popular Titan and this whole 'sticking a hand in a pond' metaphor is going to have something to to with Emrakul's next card. Some mechanical significance to them being these beings being more than what they appear as.
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Hopefully not on Innistrad. I already find two return blocks in a row to be too much, let alone both of them being about Eldrazis. Plus, Innistrad has a lot more going for it mechanically than Zendikar, adding Eldrazis on top of it just feels excessive to me.
So yeah... Hoping to see her on another plane.
I think with Bela Ged gone that becomes the new Eldrazi home continent on Zendikar and that colorless becomes a part of the natural order if they find a way to "balance the force" with the Eldrazi there to find a "new way" forwards.
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It would feel very strange indeed to have them introduce two of them in back-to-back sets and then NOT round things out with a new Emrakul. I also think Innistrad is the perfect place to do a true Lovecraftian horror block full of tentacles, forbidden knowledge, secret moonlit rituals, and people losing their minds.
It occurs to me the storyline could actually go there this time...I mean, why not? Dwarves living on Innistrad's moon keeping her under guard, maybe?
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Because that isn't what WOTC wants out of horror. They don't want mysterious happenings, they want crazy weird creatures chopping people up. That's what you'll be getting if Emrakul is behind the events on Innistrad. Instead of people being killed by werewolves, ghosts, zombies, and vampires, they'll be killed by Eldrazi-corrupted humans. Not to mention that you can't capture Lovecraftian horror when Cthulhu can be slowed down by a lone painter, and thwarted by a single snake or 15 ordinary people.
Interesting. So, the fact the old Emrakul (which won't be reprinted, incidentally) can be chump-blocked somehow invalidates a new version of Emrakul from showing up on Innistrad?
I don't know if we should expect the same Humans vs Monsters this time around since, well, all of that was resolved by end of AVR wasn't it? (Cursemute fixed Werewolves. Avacyn's release brought back the power of the church, presumably pushing back Vampires & Zombies, and brought the plane back into its essential balance.)
Lovecraftian type thing is just about THE ONLY thing I could see working here.
1)You have Horror World.
2)You have 100-foot tall Alien Monster World preceding it.
3)They need to have interblock synergy
What the hell else themewise could even possibly work better here? I mean, it practically decides itself. Maybe it's too obvious/easy though...that's actually my only doubt about it.
Edit: I just realized any conflict between reality and warped reality could also be expressed rather well with DFC's which are definitely coming back. Two vesions of the same thing and you wouldn't need to limit it to creatures this time. Literally anything could transform this time.
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Not quite. The Wolfir are *only* the werewolves who were cursed, did not want the curse, and were willing to follow Avacyn. Avacyn couldn't get rid of the curse, but instead change those loyal to her into Wolfir. Those werewolves that enjoyed being werewolves were not turned into Wolfir, and instead fled. So werewolves very much exist, just in hiding currently and significantly reduced in number.
There is also no clear indication of what is going on with the Vampires on Innistrad, as well. They most certainly exist- as Avacyn is *not* tasked with destroying them, but I'm uncertain what happened to them at all. If someone could enlighten us on the situaton, it would be great.
Equally, the teaser for SOI makes it apparent that something isn't right with Innistrad's balance. It seems something may have upset the balance in a big way there again.
Agreed for the most part on it having a Lovecraftian horror theme this time around. Hopefully they took cues from Lovecraftian horror, and don't just have Emrakul going all smashy-smashy on Innistrad, such as what is happening in Zendikar. A bit of subtlety would be nice this time around.
Because you're considering ideally what should happen, instead of based on past experience with WOTC, what will happen. Emrakul was supposed to be Lovecraftian horror, that was their honest attempt. I have no reason to assume it will be any different this time.
Not to mention that both old and new Kozilek and Ulamog could be chumped. There is no evidence to suggest new Emrakul won't have the same limitation either. Ulamog has been the only one that is indestructible.
Storyline wise, it gives Liliana a reason to care about the Eldrazi, since that is her home plane. She was exiled by her family, but she could still have a soft spot for her birthplace and saving Dominaria would give her the redemptive arc WOTC seems to want her to have.
RIP Batman guy. I hope somebody picks up the slack now that you are gone. Sick children need their Batman.
Oh man, the gods would get slaughtered. It wouldn't even be a fight.
They are larger than the Eldrazi so, I am not so sure. Seeing as it is a Greek mythology world, it would be a good conflict to bring the MTG universe's version of chronos into the set. The current Gods resurrect their parent God (5 colored) to combat the eldrazi. Chronos is known for eating his children, so he is likely powered up in comparison to the Gods. He ate his kids even. So, he might try snacking on an Eldrazi or two.
RIP Batman guy. I hope somebody picks up the slack now that you are gone. Sick children need their Batman.
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