Rotation happening quicker means 2 things. Deck types will change more often, preventing the game from getting stale, and cards will stay useful for less time. One is an upside of this, the other is a downside. I will not complain, but I am not sure how happy I am about it.
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Seems like a fine moved. And for anyone worried about reprints, don't. He not so subtlety said new worlds half the time and and returns half the time were already on the ten year plan. Plus he said there was concern about world building with the extra blocks. My guess is that we will get one new world and one old every year. I think this whole thing might just get kicked off with a return to Zendikar and finally the fetches.
Goddammit I love core sets! Come On! Core sets are the only chance we have of reprinting cards without having to change the art much! I mean now I will never see Teferi's Puzzle Box reprinted or get to see Zur's Weirding reprinted. Thanks wizards!
There was hints in the article that there will still be a "beginner" product. Plus, we're starting to get more reprints from Commander and the different non-Standard releases (Modern Masters, Conspiracy). If reprints are your main desire from Core sets, at least wait to see what they do before pulling out the pitchforks.
This is a good thing, just because Core Sets were a waste of time.
For my taste standard rotations could still be faster.
You can't reprint the Pain Lands into Standard without going back to their specific world. You can't reprint Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth or Darksteel Forge without going back to their respective planes. Why does this sound like a good thing to you?! Any card that references a place through it's name like Yavimaya Enchantress can no longer be reprinted. That mean we will never see them again. Ever. Why? Because wizards doesn't want to go back to Kamigawa, to Rath, to Lorwyn or any set they think people don't like. Also expect planar chaos or timespiral cards to never be reprinted as they don't make sense in the current colour pie. Core sets were the last hope for reprints out of time. Now they are no longer her.
Having the blocks be shorter periods of time makes it so that they might be more willing to experiment. If they go back to a plane that did "meh" if it bombs again you're there for a shorter time then before. It also puts less stress on the creative team as they don't have to build a brand new world.
I wonder if they will be adding more Planeswalkers into expansion sets now that there will be 5/6 fewer Planeswalkers in Standard with the demise of the Core Set.
As someone that's never been all that competitive in any format, I'm just glad to be able to visit more worlds with new stories and new mechanics more often. So I'm cool with this. Then again, I got my start with Theros, so there's not a ton of adjustment to deal with anyway. Doesn't surprise me that some people her are disappointed, because someone always is (simply because there's always someone that a change doesn't favor), but I'm happy.
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As someone who pays very little attention to Standard this felt a touch... underwhelming (perhaps inevitably given the hype). I mean they sound like good changes on the whole but it doesn't really feel like a major "changing MtG forever" type deal to me just a sensible update to the release schedule. *shrugs*
How are "no more core sets" and "2 blocks a year with 2 sets each" not huge changes?
They aren't huge changes to someone who doesn't play Standard or Limited.
For me, this article didn't really live up to the hype because it isn't apparent that these changes will impact how I play the game. I wouldn't say that the changes won't affect me, but the article doesn't make it apparent so I don't feel like one should count Eternal players as part of the "Everyone" who will be discussing the article. I think it would have been better if he had included even just a little bit of information or predictions on how this change might affect the number of cards that trickle into Eternal formats. For instance, if the article mentioned that sets having a shorter life in Standard meant that R&D felt they could try to push cards a bit more in second sets in order to design cards that had a higher chance to be viable in Modern and Legacy, then I'd at least feel like I got something from this article, even if it isn't the huge piece of news that I was told to expect. As it stands, I had to spend more time thinking about what outside chance the changes might have on how I play the game that what I was led to believe by the hype.
I like visiting more worlds and I'm fine with the core sets going away, but I am a bit skeptical about the 18 month rotation thing. I agree that standard can get stale and this might solve that but I don't like what faster rotation will do as far as prices go. I think this might be the final thing that gets me to make the jump into modern. The idea of a larger card pool and many more viable decks was already appealing but now (more) stable card prices is also a thing.
I have a huge feeling that "Blood" is Return to Zendicar and "Tears" is Eldrazy Free
Also its nice that we will have "3" blocks a year...
Also some blocks will be like Lorwyn/Shadowmore and others will be more like just Lorwyn or Shadowmore ( And makes me wish a Return to Zendikar and a Muraganda block will be present in the near future
positiive point for the ones who said No more Coreset and 3 year standard
They aren't huge changes to someone who doesn't play Standard or Limited.
What?!? Two blocks each year instead change everything for everyone!
a) Are you a casual player? Then you get more themes that can appeal you to build a kitchen table deck.
Also, the new rotation means the cards lose value sooner, so casuals in a budget can buy the out-of-standard singles for cheap up to six months earlier
Also, MaRo is also hinting about a new product focused in new players to replace the core sets (probably something not Standard legal): http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/95740022103/so-with-the-core-sets-gone-do-you-have-any-other
Even if this has the same low impact of a core set for casuals, EDH, etc, that means they're getting a fourth Standard set a year without "losing" anything.
This means more money for Wizard, Khans will rotate out in 18 months instead of 24... am I the only one seeing that?
Nope the entire time I read the article I had the Hasbro power point presentation in my mind about increasing profit.
Not sure you understand how this works. There are still the same number of sets being released each year, so same number of packs being released every year. Now, if they up their game and actually improve the card quality of each set since there is no lame duck 3rd set and no core that while filled with reprints also has cards that people want/need, then this is all upside.
Since cards that are good in standard but weak in modern will have a shorter lifespan, this should also decrease the cost of standard singles.
This will depend heavily on how they rotate draft formats on MtGO since the one of the biggest though least talked about effects of card prices for standard legal sets is set redemption from MtGO. While a set is legal to redeem and still being drafted, it's total value has a cap.
This means more money for Wizard, Khans will rotate out in 18 months instead of 24... am I the only one seeing that?
Nope the entire time I read the article I had the Hasbro power point presentation in my mind about increasing profit.
Not sure you understand how this works. There are still the same number of sets being released each year, so same number of packs being released every year. Now, if they up their game and actually improve the card quality of each set since there is no lame duck 3rd set and no core that while filled with reprints also has cards that people want/need, then this is all upside.
Since cards that are good in standard but weak in modern will have a shorter lifespan, this should also decrease the cost of standard singles.
This will depend heavily on how they rotate draft formats on MtGO since the one of the biggest though least talked about effects of card prices for standard legal sets is set redemption from MtGO. While a set is legal to redeem and still being drafted, it's total value has a cap.
Cards rotate out faster. I need to buy more cards/products more often to keep up in standard.
So with this revelation does this make the backlash to the PT formats change seem unwarranted? I for one am pretty hyped about the standard changes and this change would have been exactly what would make 4 standard pro tours a year far more compelling.
Weird. TGC player had an article by raph levy just up seconds after the announcement commenting in detail that means he had access to the info before it got posted. It's now been pulled...
I thought these kind of thing wouldnt happen after the godbook incident...
They aren't huge changes to someone who doesn't play Standard or Limited.
What?!? Two blocks each year instead change everything for everyone!
a) Are you a casual player? Then you get more themes that can appeal you to build a kitchen table deck.
b) Do you play Modern or Legacy? Now there are more chances to get new Modern and Legacy playable cards, since Core Sets almost never give anything new for the formats.
c) Are you an EDH player? Then surely you'll get many juicy cards, and, just like for the casual play, you can surely get many Legendary Creatures and utilities for your EDH.
To sum up: two block per year should mean a higher chance to get good products and meet the expectations of many fans around the world. They don't have to make a 700 cards block full of 550 junk cards: there are only more or less 500 slots available, and even with a lower power level than in past blocks the chances to get good cards for every format is good.
Obviously, this is what we could get if things go right, but I'm sure that they know what they're doing.
I'm not an casual player and I'm not an EDH player.
As a Legacy Player, I have seen the following cards from Core Sets see play somewhere in Legacy Tournaments:
M15: Void Snare, Reclamation Sage
M14: Chandra Pyromaster, Young Pyromancer, Predatory Sliver
M13: Trading Post, Smelt, Master of the Pearl Trident, Omniscience, Krenko Mob Boss, Thundermaw Hellkite, Thragtusk, Staff of Nin
M12: Grand Abolisher, Timely Reinforcements, Phantasmal Image, Garruk Primal Hunter, Gladecover Scout, Sundial of the Infinite, Buried Ruin
M11: Leyline of Sanctity, Squadron Hawk, All 5 of the Titans, Preordain, Viscera Seer, Pyretic Ritual, Autumn's Veil, Fauna Shaman, Obstinate Baloth, Steel Overseer
M10: Baneslayer Angel, Captain of the Watch, Silence, Hive Mind, Merfolk Sovereign, Doom Blade, Goblin Chieftain, Acidic Slime, Elvish Archdruid, Master of the Wild Hunt, and some of the M10 lands.
I can concede that some of the cards on this list might be a reach because they're pretty fringe, but I *have* seen them. I would contend that not only have some of the core sets given Eternal formats more cards than some of the recent expert expansions, but also that certain cycles in the core sets like the Lords and the Titans are possibly cards that only make sense in the core set. This isn't to say that I'm particularly upset that the core sets are going away--it's to say that I can't feel one way nor the other about what will be taking the place of the core set since an expert expansion isn't guaranteed to be better nor worse at adding viable choices to Eternal formats.
Really, this article just seems like it wasn't intended for me, and I'd be okay with that if the news hadn't been hyped up as being a big change that affects everyone. I can understand that strictly Eternal players might not be the biggest group, but it's odd to me that the author in no way addresses how these changes affect formats that don't rotate; if he had, I would have felt more like he was providing information for everyone since that sort of info would be beneficial for strictly Eternal players, EDH players, and Casual players.
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I was right on the money!
These changes are BIG! (and I'm stoked we got them like 10 minutes early hehe)
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Nope the entire time I read the article I had the Hasbro power point presentation in my mind about increasing profit.
There was hints in the article that there will still be a "beginner" product. Plus, we're starting to get more reprints from Commander and the different non-Standard releases (Modern Masters, Conspiracy). If reprints are your main desire from Core sets, at least wait to see what they do before pulling out the pitchforks.
That is the first thing I thought of too, this is going to make Wizards a lot more money with everyone having to buy new cards more often now.
Yeah, I'm not sure if this will make me love standard or quit it, I'm not thrilled with having to buy new cards so often.
Now I have to buy new cards twice a year.
Honestly though, this will help pre -rotation slump. I'm just worried it'll be an overcorrection.
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Having the blocks be shorter periods of time makes it so that they might be more willing to experiment. If they go back to a plane that did "meh" if it bombs again you're there for a shorter time then before. It also puts less stress on the creative team as they don't have to build a brand new world.
For me, this article didn't really live up to the hype because it isn't apparent that these changes will impact how I play the game. I wouldn't say that the changes won't affect me, but the article doesn't make it apparent so I don't feel like one should count Eternal players as part of the "Everyone" who will be discussing the article. I think it would have been better if he had included even just a little bit of information or predictions on how this change might affect the number of cards that trickle into Eternal formats. For instance, if the article mentioned that sets having a shorter life in Standard meant that R&D felt they could try to push cards a bit more in second sets in order to design cards that had a higher chance to be viable in Modern and Legacy, then I'd at least feel like I got something from this article, even if it isn't the huge piece of news that I was told to expect. As it stands, I had to spend more time thinking about what outside chance the changes might have on how I play the game that what I was led to believe by the hype.
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Also its nice that we will have "3" blocks a year...
Also some blocks will be like Lorwyn/Shadowmore and others will be more like just Lorwyn or Shadowmore ( And makes me wish a Return to Zendikar and a Muraganda block will be present in the near future
positiive point for the ones who said No more Coreset and 3 year standard
Also, the new rotation means the cards lose value sooner, so casuals in a budget can buy the out-of-standard singles for cheap up to six months earlier
Also, MaRo is also hinting about a new product focused in new players to replace the core sets (probably something not Standard legal): http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/95740022103/so-with-the-core-sets-gone-do-you-have-any-other
Even if this has the same low impact of a core set for casuals, EDH, etc, that means they're getting a fourth Standard set a year without "losing" anything.
Not sure you understand how this works. There are still the same number of sets being released each year, so same number of packs being released every year. Now, if they up their game and actually improve the card quality of each set since there is no lame duck 3rd set and no core that while filled with reprints also has cards that people want/need, then this is all upside.
This will depend heavily on how they rotate draft formats on MtGO since the one of the biggest though least talked about effects of card prices for standard legal sets is set redemption from MtGO. While a set is legal to redeem and still being drafted, it's total value has a cap.
Cards rotate out faster. I need to buy more cards/products more often to keep up in standard.
I thought these kind of thing wouldnt happen after the godbook incident...
As a Legacy Player, I have seen the following cards from Core Sets see play somewhere in Legacy Tournaments:
M15: Void Snare, Reclamation Sage
M14: Chandra Pyromaster, Young Pyromancer, Predatory Sliver
M13: Trading Post, Smelt, Master of the Pearl Trident, Omniscience, Krenko Mob Boss, Thundermaw Hellkite, Thragtusk, Staff of Nin
M12: Grand Abolisher, Timely Reinforcements, Phantasmal Image, Garruk Primal Hunter, Gladecover Scout, Sundial of the Infinite, Buried Ruin
M11: Leyline of Sanctity, Squadron Hawk, All 5 of the Titans, Preordain, Viscera Seer, Pyretic Ritual, Autumn's Veil, Fauna Shaman, Obstinate Baloth, Steel Overseer
M10: Baneslayer Angel, Captain of the Watch, Silence, Hive Mind, Merfolk Sovereign, Doom Blade, Goblin Chieftain, Acidic Slime, Elvish Archdruid, Master of the Wild Hunt, and some of the M10 lands.
I can concede that some of the cards on this list might be a reach because they're pretty fringe, but I *have* seen them. I would contend that not only have some of the core sets given Eternal formats more cards than some of the recent expert expansions, but also that certain cycles in the core sets like the Lords and the Titans are possibly cards that only make sense in the core set. This isn't to say that I'm particularly upset that the core sets are going away--it's to say that I can't feel one way nor the other about what will be taking the place of the core set since an expert expansion isn't guaranteed to be better nor worse at adding viable choices to Eternal formats.
Really, this article just seems like it wasn't intended for me, and I'd be okay with that if the news hadn't been hyped up as being a big change that affects everyone. I can understand that strictly Eternal players might not be the biggest group, but it's odd to me that the author in no way addresses how these changes affect formats that don't rotate; if he had, I would have felt more like he was providing information for everyone since that sort of info would be beneficial for strictly Eternal players, EDH players, and Casual players.