While people are speculating that MM2 will be 2 or 3 years, would it perhaps make sense for WIzards to do another run of MM1? It was widely agreed to be too limited a run initially, so a second run, even at the same level would address the problem while we wait for the sequel. If it worked they could do biannual sets, with reprint runs depending on desire/need.
Just a thought
While I'm sure this would be well-received,
they have a fairly tight schedule in terms of when they release what,
and I don't think they have a good "window" to do anything like this until Summer '15.
They likely wouldn't release more at some random time when it would cannibalize whatever set they're selling
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1. See above. They can't have too much product competition within the same consumer base for different products. MM would sell well, but other products would not. Consumers, after all, have limited incomes to some degree or another. Hence why sets are spaced out as such, and why there are only 2 or so supplemental products each year. They could print a ton of FtVs, Vs. decks, theme decks, event decks, etc each year. But these would ultimately just compete with each other. Wizards is in the business of competing with other companies and brands, not with itself.
2. Chronicles. Seriously, Chronicles. Like it or not, but cards maintaining value is somewhat necessary for the livelihood of the game. We are already collecting really worthless cardboard. Imagine what it would like if it really *was* worthless. Chronicles was liked by some, but hated by many as it pretty much removed any confidence that anything they had would retain long-term value. Meaning many just didn't buy into the game anymore (Or at least there was the very strong possibility to do so). If Wizards went back on their word that MM would be a limited product run, it would reduce confidence in the long term value of certain cards. Some may not care, but to those who have spent 1000+ on decks for Modern it would be a bit shocking to see happen. Granted, somethings should be expected to be reprinted at some time and those who buy them at insane prices should know better, or don't care as much (Fetchlands, I'm looking at you). But ultimately this is a collectable card game, and part and parcel with that is the concept that certain cards are more valuable than others. If Wizards goes back on their word on something like MM, it will cause a lack of confidence in the company.
That said, I'm sure Wizards realizes that there is a high demand for MM, and will compensate for that in future iterations. They'll still be limited print runs, but not nearly as much as MM1. They do *not* want to repeat the fiasco that was Chronicles.
1. See above. They can't have too much product competition within the same consumer base for different products. MM would sell well, but other products would not. Consumers, after all, have limited incomes to some degree or another. Hence why sets are spaced out as such, and why there are only 2 or so supplemental products each year. They could print a ton of FtVs, Vs. decks, theme decks, event decks, etc each year. But these would ultimately just compete with each other. Wizards is in the business of competing with other companies and brands, not with itself.
2. Chronicles. Seriously, Chronicles. Like it or not, but cards maintaining value is somewhat necessary for the livelihood of the game. We are already collecting really worthless cardboard. Imagine what it would like if it really *was* worthless. Chronicles was liked by some, but hated by many as it pretty much removed any confidence that anything they had would retain long-term value. Meaning many just didn't buy into the game anymore (Or at least there was the very strong possibility to do so). If Wizards went back on their word that MM would be a limited product run, it would reduce confidence in the long term value of certain cards. Some may not care, but to those who have spent 1000+ on decks for Modern it would be a bit shocking to see happen. Granted, somethings should be expected to be reprinted at some time and those who buy them at insane prices should know better, or don't care as much (Fetchlands, I'm looking at you). But ultimately this is a collectable card game, and part and parcel with that is the concept that certain cards are more valuable than others. If Wizards goes back on their word on something like MM, it will cause a lack of confidence in the company.
That said, I'm sure Wizards realizes that there is a high demand for MM, and will compensate for that in future iterations. They'll still be limited print runs, but not nearly as much as MM1. They do *not* want to repeat the fiasco that was Chronicles.
Chronicles was done to early, simple as that. Had they waited five years it would have been fine.
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The Chronicles thing is so blow out of proportion to today's market. It was a past mistake when the game was still too young. The today's circumstance is pretty different. We need more reprints to make some formats more accessible with this increasingly bigger player base. That being said, I would prefer they made a MM2 with some repeats and maybe a more adjusted print run. They don't need to do the same MM (they sure can put Tarmogoyfs and other staples again in the next product).
They said that MM would be printed in low quantities to not upset the market, but they didn't really promised much beside that. However, I think the market response was more on the lines of wanting more, so the second MM should have a bigger print run. It's a win-win to everyone involved. It was a good experiment and could as well have a bigger role in special GPs throughout the year (GP Vegas was a huge success in terms of attendance).
Ultimately sure it's a trade collecting card game, but it's also a game too, so balance both aspects should be necessary to make it healthy to its audience and as of now the game aspect should be more looked at. Collectability can be done other ways like special promos (have you seem the price of those full-art Mutavaults and Dorans? They could promos to cattle collectors) without needing to hurt the game aspect.
MM1 was an experiment in many ways too, to gauge how a product like this would affect the market, how sales would be like, the reaction from players and collectors alike, etc etc.
Now that they got that data, they can work on MM2 and aim to release it in a much more "appropriate" way, probably a larger print run for the same prices. In most ways, MM1 was a good success, one that Wizards would likely want to capitalize upon.
As for reprinting Modern staples in Standard - not all Modern staples will be fitting in Standard. Take the newly unbanned Bitterblossom for example, it just can't work in Standard by virtue of it being a TRIBAL enchantment. Then there's cards like Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker who is tied to Kamigawa. Stuff like Kitchen Finks that requires the block to work with specific mechanics and hybrid mana. And then there's the stuff that's just too powerful in Standard. Thoughtseize is already a hated card for what it does for Mono-Black. Mutavault is an all-star. Can you imagine the carnage that'd follow in Dark Confidant's wake? They can release specific cards in the Standard legal sets, they can release another package in the Commander/other side-product, but in the end, there's a desire for MM-like product.
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Chronicles was done to early, simple as that. Had they waited five years it would have been fine.
Exactly. Wizards of the Coast seems to be in perpetual fear of another Chronicles backlash, apparently not realizing that it's 2014, not 1995. A whole lot of things are different now.
That's not to say that they shouldn't take some lessons from Chronicles, but the paranoia they seem to have is absurd. Hopefully they'll take note of the reactions to reprints in the present (e.g. the positive reception for the shockland reprint, the fact that the #1 complaint people had about Modern Masters was that there wasn't more of it made) and stop living in the past.
While people are speculating that MM2 will be 2 or 3 years, would it perhaps make sense for WIzards to do another run of MM1? It was widely agreed to be too limited a run initially, so a second run, even at the same level would address the problem while we wait for the sequel. If it worked they could do biannual sets, with reprint runs depending on desire/need.
Just a thought
Cryptic command in current UW control...god that would be absurd. UW control is already one of the best decks, cryptic makes it THE best deck by far.
They should print MMA sets at the same rate as regular sets like theros. End of story. Solves the price problem of modern in a heartbeat. And not put the most expensive stuff at mythic (tarmogoyf and bob don't belong at mythic. At normal rare boom the price is at a much more reasonable level in comparison to the $200 that goyf now sells for.)
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MMA1 definitely needs reprinting, as it frees up MMA2 to only need to reprint 5-10% of the cards in MMA1.
If MMA1 is never reprinted, MMA2 will need to have at least a 50% overlap in money cards with MMA1. And that means a lot of cards Modern needs more copies of that aren't likely to be in future Standard-legal sets - Splinter Twin, Remand, Horizon Canopy, Linvala, Birthing Pod, Karn Liberated, Inquisition of Kozilek, Noble Hierarch, Ajani Vengeant, Vengevine, Lotus Cobra - are going to be missed out, especially as I expect MMA2 will have a similar amount of non-competitive cards that are reprinted because they have some casual demand (Tooth and Nail, etc).
Regardless, MMA2 will definitely have Tarmogoyf, Bob and Clique just to sell packs.
Is this even a possibility at this point? I would LOVE to see this happen, but has WOTC ever done another print run for a set almost a year after the last print run?
MMA1 definitely needs reprinting, as it frees up MMA2 to only need to reprint 5-10% of the cards in MMA1. If MMA1 is never reprinted, MMA2 will need to have at least a 50% overlap in money cards with MMA1.
I agree. I want to see new content in MM2, not MM1 reprints that are in the set due to low print numbers in MM1.
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Cryptic command in current UW control...god that would be absurd. UW control is already one of the best decks, cryptic makes it THE best deck by far.
They should print MMA sets at the same rate as regular sets like theros. End of story. Solves the price problem of modern in a heartbeat. And not put the most expensive stuff at mythic (tarmogoyf and bob don't belong at mythic. At normal rare boom the price is at a much more reasonable level in comparison to the $200 that goyf now sells for.)
Tarmogoyf, Bob, Clique, Elspeth and Kiki-Jiki were a cycle at mythic - the cycle of the most expensive card (secondary market price) in each colour in the sets allowed. That's why Clique was mythic instead of Cryptic Command, which has a significantly higher impact on the board state.
Cryptic command in current UW control...god that would be absurd. UW control is already one of the best decks, cryptic makes it THE best deck by far.
In current UW Control, sure. But Sphinx's Revelation and Supreme Verdict--two cards critical in that deck--are rotating out, and Cryptic Command would be a possible replacement. I doubt they'd do that, as it was in Modern Masters, but post-rotation UW control is probably going to be pretty weak if it doesn't get some new tools.
Cryptic command in current UW control...god that would be absurd. UW control is already one of the best decks, cryptic makes it THE best deck by far.
In current UW Control, sure. But Sphinx's Revelation and Supreme Verdict--two cards critical in that deck--are rotating out, and Cryptic Command would be a possible replacement. I doubt they'd do that, as it was in Modern Masters, but post-rotation UW control is probably going to be pretty weak if it doesn't get some new tools.
Let it die off, and something else take its place. As long as control as an archetype is viable ,I don't mind if UW strategies revolving around Wrath effects die off for a year or so.
Because Wizards didn't want to destroy faith/confidence in the secondary market. When people have faith in a highly value card, they will also continue to trade and open boxes for it. This is crucial towards the livelihood of the game and if this is eroded the collectible aspect of the game will be over too. No one wants to wake up in the morning to a new set or reprint set to know their collection has become worthless overnight.
Cryptic is hands down the most powerful 4 mana counterspell ever, and probably the most powerful counterspell in the modern format. They won't be putting that into standard anytime soon, it does wayyy too much for a 4 mana spell.
Especially since they said the majority of the big name cards in Modern Masters were cards they felt were "not deemed proper" for a reprint in standard. Thus why Thoughtseize was not in Modern Masters they were going to reprint it in Theros...
1. See above. They can't have too much product competition within the same consumer base for different products. MM would sell well, but other products would not. Consumers, after all, have limited incomes to some degree or another. Hence why sets are spaced out as such, and why there are only 2 or so supplemental products each year. They could print a ton of FtVs, Vs. decks, theme decks, event decks, etc each year. But these would ultimately just compete with each other. Wizards is in the business of competing with other companies and brands, not with itself.
2. Chronicles. Seriously, Chronicles. Like it or not, but cards maintaining value is somewhat necessary for the livelihood of the game. We are already collecting really worthless cardboard. Imagine what it would like if it really *was* worthless. Chronicles was liked by some, but hated by many as it pretty much removed any confidence that anything they had would retain long-term value. Meaning many just didn't buy into the game anymore (Or at least there was the very strong possibility to do so). If Wizards went back on their word that MM would be a limited product run, it would reduce confidence in the long term value of certain cards. Some may not care, but to those who have spent 1000+ on decks for Modern it would be a bit shocking to see happen. Granted, somethings should be expected to be reprinted at some time and those who buy them at insane prices should know better, or don't care as much (Fetchlands, I'm looking at you). But ultimately this is a collectable card game, and part and parcel with that is the concept that certain cards are more valuable than others. If Wizards goes back on their word on something like MM, it will cause a lack of confidence in the company.
That said, I'm sure Wizards realizes that there is a high demand for MM, and will compensate for that in future iterations. They'll still be limited print runs, but not nearly as much as MM1. They do *not* want to repeat the fiasco that was Chronicles.
Chronicles 2.0 would be bad, but Modern getting to the point where Goyfs are $300, Cryptic Commands are $75, and Liliana of the Veil is $100 would be worse.
Chronicles 2.0 would be bad, but Modern getting to the point where Goyfs are $300, Cryptic Commands are $75, and Liliana of the Veil is $100 would be worse.
Certainly agreed. Personally I think the current price tag on all three of those is rather absurd, particularly Goyf. I think it was a mistake to print goyf at Mythic in MM1 for numerous reasons (I'm still somewhat irked that Mythic even exists as someone who was on hiatus when it was introduced). Still, there's nothing stopping them from putting those in a MM2. Modern Masters major purpose for existence is to increase supply, and any draftability of the set or "newness" is entirely secondary to the major reason. They could print MM2 as almost a card for card reprint of MM1 and it'd be fine by me (Frankly I found it baffling they included the Kamigawa dragon cycle; there's no reason to worry about cycles in a set like Modern Masters).
I'm honestly hoping they reprint some the higher demand cards from Modern Masters in the eventual MM2 coupled with a larger print run. If it means Goyfs settle to less than $100 (hopefully even less), and Cryptic Commands/Liliana are less than $50 that'd be a good start. Probably need to push it further even.
Chronicles was a miserable thing at the time because it just tanked the value of certain cards so that they were pretty much worth nothing. Wizards doesn't want to do that again, for a myriad of reasons, and overall I do think it would be bad for the game in general if they did something like that. Still, the limited print run of MM1 meant that certain cards actually increased in value almost overnight. Which is somewhat bizarre. It's safe to assume that MM2 will follow the limited print run concept, but have a much larger run than MM1.
(Frankly I found it baffling they included the Kamigawa dragon cycle; there's no reason to worry about cycles in a set like Modern Masters).
They were in there because MMA wasn't solely designed for competitive constructed. Similar to Sarkhan Vol, Tooth and Nail, Rude Awakening and a fair few other cards.
I feel like MM has not helped prices and was there more for the speculators/sellers than the players. Prices of packs have been rising since its release and prices of staples have not dropped one bit. In fact, Goyf is now 105€ here in Germany, and that's 30€ more than the last time I looked it up.
I get the whole thing with limited print runs and other limited products (which has been frustrating before - I remember preordering a box of FTV:Exiled I believe; pre-order got cancelled due to limited supply and some guy on here posted that he is so super happy with eight unopened boxes sitting in his cupboard...yeah...), but in the end, as Alec said above, it is a game. And people need the cards to play the game. I thought MM was there to make Modern more affordable for players (that might not be the real reason for creating this product, of course - at least I thought it was though), but in fact, the opposite is the case.
It is stupid statements like this that make me feel that people don't even try to look at facts before they post. Other than Vial, Bob, and Goyf, every card in MM saw a 30% or more drop in its prices in the months after MM, and a vast majority have stayed at that lower price. Off hand, I can really only think of Clique, Blood Moon, and Cryptic that have risen back to their pre-MM prices, although there may be others.
I'm not saying they shouldn't print these cards again (they should), but I really wish people would stop saying MM didn't impact card prices, because the fact is, it had a fairly significant impact on card prices, some people just want cards for free (which will, and should, never happen).
Cryptic is hands down the most powerful 4 mana counterspell ever, and probably the most powerful counterspell in the modern format. They won't be putting that into standard anytime soon, it does wayyy too much for a 4 mana spell.
Which is quite funny considering there's other cards that look just like it. It isn't Modern-legal but most of the time a Cryptic Command is basically a Dismiss. Remand is closely following Cryptic on the Modern scene and now it's getting reprinted in the Duel Deck: Jace vs. Vraska.
Edit: In connection to the above poster: My playset of Sarkhan Vol fell from a general 15$ a piece to ~12$ and could as easily be substituted by a 8-9$ version from MMA. I never got why he was included but neither does it affect me much. I plan to keep my cards until I someday drop Magic. However it is a testimony that MMA did drop prices - just not >that< much on the highest demanded cards from the set.
Although that was WotC's intention: Increase supply but not impact secondary market much.
That just failed for the other lot that wasn't demanded very highly - like Sarkhan Vol where the price generally just dropped. Why/how WotC justifies this is beyond me.
"We want that those people who got the money-cards to keep their money (to keep faith in the secondary market), but we need to sell product so the rest of you will have to suffer slightly on your prices."
Edit2: It's hard to verify but overall you might even say that the printing of MMA increased prices - for instance I spot the average cost of MMA's Tarmogoyf is higher than the standard. Most likely due to cosmetics, however it's possible that the standard version also increased in value due to the increased traffic of the card.
Wholeheartedly agree here. It's not the overall prices people want to see dropping. I think many of them are already affordable. It's the cards that are over $30ea that people wish for it to lower.
If one looks at the big picture, spending over $30 on a piece of paper is truly absurd. It goes beyond rationality.
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they have a fairly tight schedule in terms of when they release what,
and I don't think they have a good "window" to do anything like this until Summer '15.
They likely wouldn't release more at some random time when it would cannibalize whatever set they're selling
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1. See above. They can't have too much product competition within the same consumer base for different products. MM would sell well, but other products would not. Consumers, after all, have limited incomes to some degree or another. Hence why sets are spaced out as such, and why there are only 2 or so supplemental products each year. They could print a ton of FtVs, Vs. decks, theme decks, event decks, etc each year. But these would ultimately just compete with each other. Wizards is in the business of competing with other companies and brands, not with itself.
2. Chronicles. Seriously, Chronicles. Like it or not, but cards maintaining value is somewhat necessary for the livelihood of the game. We are already collecting really worthless cardboard. Imagine what it would like if it really *was* worthless. Chronicles was liked by some, but hated by many as it pretty much removed any confidence that anything they had would retain long-term value. Meaning many just didn't buy into the game anymore (Or at least there was the very strong possibility to do so). If Wizards went back on their word that MM would be a limited product run, it would reduce confidence in the long term value of certain cards. Some may not care, but to those who have spent 1000+ on decks for Modern it would be a bit shocking to see happen. Granted, somethings should be expected to be reprinted at some time and those who buy them at insane prices should know better, or don't care as much (Fetchlands, I'm looking at you). But ultimately this is a collectable card game, and part and parcel with that is the concept that certain cards are more valuable than others. If Wizards goes back on their word on something like MM, it will cause a lack of confidence in the company.
That said, I'm sure Wizards realizes that there is a high demand for MM, and will compensate for that in future iterations. They'll still be limited print runs, but not nearly as much as MM1. They do *not* want to repeat the fiasco that was Chronicles.
Chronicles was done to early, simple as that. Had they waited five years it would have been fine.
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They said that MM would be printed in low quantities to not upset the market, but they didn't really promised much beside that. However, I think the market response was more on the lines of wanting more, so the second MM should have a bigger print run. It's a win-win to everyone involved. It was a good experiment and could as well have a bigger role in special GPs throughout the year (GP Vegas was a huge success in terms of attendance).
Ultimately sure it's a trade collecting card game, but it's also a game too, so balance both aspects should be necessary to make it healthy to its audience and as of now the game aspect should be more looked at. Collectability can be done other ways like special promos (have you seem the price of those full-art Mutavaults and Dorans? They could promos to cattle collectors) without needing to hurt the game aspect.
Now that they got that data, they can work on MM2 and aim to release it in a much more "appropriate" way, probably a larger print run for the same prices. In most ways, MM1 was a good success, one that Wizards would likely want to capitalize upon.
As for reprinting Modern staples in Standard - not all Modern staples will be fitting in Standard. Take the newly unbanned Bitterblossom for example, it just can't work in Standard by virtue of it being a TRIBAL enchantment. Then there's cards like Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker who is tied to Kamigawa. Stuff like Kitchen Finks that requires the block to work with specific mechanics and hybrid mana. And then there's the stuff that's just too powerful in Standard. Thoughtseize is already a hated card for what it does for Mono-Black. Mutavault is an all-star. Can you imagine the carnage that'd follow in Dark Confidant's wake? They can release specific cards in the Standard legal sets, they can release another package in the Commander/other side-product, but in the end, there's a desire for MM-like product.
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Exactly. Wizards of the Coast seems to be in perpetual fear of another Chronicles backlash, apparently not realizing that it's 2014, not 1995. A whole lot of things are different now.
That's not to say that they shouldn't take some lessons from Chronicles, but the paranoia they seem to have is absurd. Hopefully they'll take note of the reactions to reprints in the present (e.g. the positive reception for the shockland reprint, the fact that the #1 complaint people had about Modern Masters was that there wasn't more of it made) and stop living in the past.
It would violate the spirit of the reserve list.
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My wallet is ready for it. It's going to be 75+ by this time next year at this rate.
They should print MMA sets at the same rate as regular sets like theros. End of story. Solves the price problem of modern in a heartbeat. And not put the most expensive stuff at mythic (tarmogoyf and bob don't belong at mythic. At normal rare boom the price is at a much more reasonable level in comparison to the $200 that goyf now sells for.)
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If MMA1 is never reprinted, MMA2 will need to have at least a 50% overlap in money cards with MMA1. And that means a lot of cards Modern needs more copies of that aren't likely to be in future Standard-legal sets - Splinter Twin, Remand, Horizon Canopy, Linvala, Birthing Pod, Karn Liberated, Inquisition of Kozilek, Noble Hierarch, Ajani Vengeant, Vengevine, Lotus Cobra - are going to be missed out, especially as I expect MMA2 will have a similar amount of non-competitive cards that are reprinted because they have some casual demand (Tooth and Nail, etc).
Regardless, MMA2 will definitely have Tarmogoyf, Bob and Clique just to sell packs.
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I agree. I want to see new content in MM2, not MM1 reprints that are in the set due to low print numbers in MM1.
Tarmogoyf, Bob, Clique, Elspeth and Kiki-Jiki were a cycle at mythic - the cycle of the most expensive card (secondary market price) in each colour in the sets allowed. That's why Clique was mythic instead of Cryptic Command, which has a significantly higher impact on the board state.
Let it die off, and something else take its place. As long as control as an archetype is viable ,I don't mind if UW strategies revolving around Wrath effects die off for a year or so.
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Especially since they said the majority of the big name cards in Modern Masters were cards they felt were "not deemed proper" for a reprint in standard. Thus why Thoughtseize was not in Modern Masters they were going to reprint it in Theros...
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Chronicles 2.0 would be bad, but Modern getting to the point where Goyfs are $300, Cryptic Commands are $75, and Liliana of the Veil is $100 would be worse.
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Certainly agreed. Personally I think the current price tag on all three of those is rather absurd, particularly Goyf. I think it was a mistake to print goyf at Mythic in MM1 for numerous reasons (I'm still somewhat irked that Mythic even exists as someone who was on hiatus when it was introduced). Still, there's nothing stopping them from putting those in a MM2. Modern Masters major purpose for existence is to increase supply, and any draftability of the set or "newness" is entirely secondary to the major reason. They could print MM2 as almost a card for card reprint of MM1 and it'd be fine by me (Frankly I found it baffling they included the Kamigawa dragon cycle; there's no reason to worry about cycles in a set like Modern Masters).
I'm honestly hoping they reprint some the higher demand cards from Modern Masters in the eventual MM2 coupled with a larger print run. If it means Goyfs settle to less than $100 (hopefully even less), and Cryptic Commands/Liliana are less than $50 that'd be a good start. Probably need to push it further even.
Chronicles was a miserable thing at the time because it just tanked the value of certain cards so that they were pretty much worth nothing. Wizards doesn't want to do that again, for a myriad of reasons, and overall I do think it would be bad for the game in general if they did something like that. Still, the limited print run of MM1 meant that certain cards actually increased in value almost overnight. Which is somewhat bizarre. It's safe to assume that MM2 will follow the limited print run concept, but have a much larger run than MM1.
They were in there because MMA wasn't solely designed for competitive constructed. Similar to Sarkhan Vol, Tooth and Nail, Rude Awakening and a fair few other cards.
It is stupid statements like this that make me feel that people don't even try to look at facts before they post. Other than Vial, Bob, and Goyf, every card in MM saw a 30% or more drop in its prices in the months after MM, and a vast majority have stayed at that lower price. Off hand, I can really only think of Clique, Blood Moon, and Cryptic that have risen back to their pre-MM prices, although there may be others.
I'm not saying they shouldn't print these cards again (they should), but I really wish people would stop saying MM didn't impact card prices, because the fact is, it had a fairly significant impact on card prices, some people just want cards for free (which will, and should, never happen).
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Remand is closely following Cryptic on the Modern scene and now it's getting reprinted in the Duel Deck: Jace vs. Vraska.
Edit: In connection to the above poster: My playset of Sarkhan Vol fell from a general 15$ a piece to ~12$ and could as easily be substituted by a 8-9$ version from MMA. I never got why he was included but neither does it affect me much. I plan to keep my cards until I someday drop Magic. However it is a testimony that MMA did drop prices - just not >that< much on the highest demanded cards from the set.
Although that was WotC's intention: Increase supply but not impact secondary market much.
That just failed for the other lot that wasn't demanded very highly - like Sarkhan Vol where the price generally just dropped. Why/how WotC justifies this is beyond me.
"We want that those people who got the money-cards to keep their money (to keep faith in the secondary market), but we need to sell product so the rest of you will have to suffer slightly on your prices."
Edit2: It's hard to verify but overall you might even say that the printing of MMA increased prices - for instance I spot the average cost of MMA's Tarmogoyf is higher than the standard. Most likely due to cosmetics, however it's possible that the standard version also increased in value due to the increased traffic of the card.
If one looks at the big picture, spending over $30 on a piece of paper is truly absurd. It goes beyond rationality.
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