When I asked about whether or not they ever planned to hold drafts or sealed they all said they were waiting for the second wave. They were banking on there being a lot more than what came. But yeah it was really weird for me to check all of the local stores and not find a draft or sealed event. The closest one was about 3 hours away, so it would have meant a six hour drive to the store and back. I have funds for cards, but it is a hobby not a way of life for me.
The problem with complaining to your Card shop is that they can simply refuse your future business or ask you not to play in their tournaments any more. My closest store is less than 15 minutes away with the next one a full 30-35 minutes farther away. I am not going to risk loosing that when you put gas prices into the mix. Now would a store do that? It depends on how much you push the issue and how obnoxious you try to be.
It is just safer to simply vent ones anger here on the internet where the only punishment is "guidance" from the admins, who are not really annoyed with complaints as long as they stay civil. If the admins are annoyed then I apologize for saying otherwise. Plus you don't have to read a person's message, which is a lot easier that trying to drown out a person's voice.
The only issue is that for some such as myself had the money but all of my local stores pre-sold their stock and left none for draft or sealed events. I still have over $60 in my wallet that I had saved to go to one of these events but there never was an opportunity to spend it. And because there was so much hype about this product being awesome to draft and such, buying three or four packs online seemed kinda sad to do on my own.
Is this the story for every person that didn't go to a MM event, no. And honestly I support you in what you have said. If you had an event near you and the only thing stopping you was lack of funds, you could have found the funds by working odd jobs or selling off un-important cards.
Problem with venting at WoTC, if it actually does anything, it's nothing good, and just something more for people to complain about.
This constant whining is just stupid, it's a bunch of grown men acting like 4 year olds who don't get their way.
I also don't understand this limited availability BS, I was able to get multiple boxes at MSRP, hell Is till can, I ran out of money long before I ran out of product to buy.
To be honest I think half the people who can't get this product are being lied to by their stores, and that it has zero to do with WoTC whatsoever......
I also don't understand this limited availability BS, I was able to get multiple boxes at MSRP, hell Is till can, I ran out of money long before I ran out of product to buy.
To be honest I think half the people who can't get this product are being lied to by their stores, and that it has zero to do with WoTC whatsoever......
And what is your reason to believe that 99% of TCG stores don't want to make money? Also, good luck with the influx of PMs asking if they can send you money to buy them boxes of MM.
Problem with venting at WoTC, if it actually does anything, it's nothing good, and just something more for people to complain about.
This constant whining is just stupid, it's a bunch of grown men acting like 4 year olds who don't get their way.
I also don't understand this limited availability BS, I was able to get multiple boxes at MSRP, hell Is till can, I ran out of money long before I ran out of product to buy.
To be honest I think half the people who can't get this product are being lied to by their stores, and that it has zero to do with WoTC whatsoever......
Well, I was thinking stating ones frustrations here on this website on a specific thread or something. Sorry if I misled in that, I do not endorse sending threatening emails to any person or company and unless it is an everyday product, such as food, complaints on products to the manufacturer should kept to a minimum.
And maybe you are right and WOTC is innocent and the stores are just trying to bleed the end buyer. Hopefully if there is another MM it will be able to overcome its predecessor's shortcomings.
On the note of MSRP MM, could you pass that info onto me and the thousands of other people on this site?
This sentence is, from an economist's perspective, nonsense.
This didn't read they way I meant it to.
What I meant was that at by suppling less they can sell it at Higher price.
Because they only have to make happy the amount of customers who are willing to pay the higher price for it.
My other points where trying to illustrate why they would want MM to be a limited "summer" event that occupied the short window between DGM and M14.
My point was that WOTC is not just about selling the most product to the most people at the lowest price. Which is what some people seem to think they should be doing.
If fetchs would to be printed again, would they reprint both Zendikar' and Onslaught' together? ( I remenber they saying about printing allied and enemy duals in standard together now )
That is true for Standard, but it would be quite odd to print cards that are not Modern legal in a set that is meant for Modern.
In my eyes, MM was a huge success. It was very fun to draft and added a lot of new Modern cards to the local pool. What stands out to me is that I don't think I've read or heard a single negative comment about the draft format itself. Every single complaint seems to be either "they didn't make enough" or "they didn't reprint expensive card X."
What I would like to see for MM2 is simply better communication from WotC to stores. No store in my area seemed to know how many boxes they were getting. One store told me they sold all but one or two boxes as pre-orders. But when the set actually released, they had at least enough to run 3-4 draft pods, a sealed event, and to give away packs as prizes.
I don't think they were lying to me. I think information was just hard to come by. Hopefully WotC can get some clear, accurate, and early information out there next time.
Bad news, guys...My calculations show that if this is a thing, my Magic stock will be plagued with a 5.43% decrease in value and all of my unopened mint condition packs will be rendered useless...what have you done, WOTC.
In all actuality, really excited. We better get a more...hmmm...consistent print run this time.
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Caw Blade is based on the ancient powerful strategy of equipping Storm Crow with Worldslayer, blowing everything up, punching your opponent in the face, stealing his cards, and running away. This new deck is a mere shell of the original caw blade's power.
I am kind of surprised everyone had so much trouble with this. You can still draft it here in the Milwaukee area, you can still buy packs (albeit at $10 a piece), and thanks to this set, I was able to pull a Confidant and trade for four goyfs and a Dark Confidant. I was able to build a full jund list minus thoughtseize and a BWR list. This set allowed my friends and I to get into modern because none of us played it, as well as some new people I have met at the local game stores. Maybe a slightly larger second print since most stores got a fraction of the first run to keep the festivities going, but overall they were fairly close on the proper number of product for distribution I think.
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Pretty sure nobody has touched on this yet, but there are very good reasons why Wizards prints limited print run things such as FTV, Commander's Arsenal and Modern Masters. Not only are they exciting, and cool, and add a few more cards to the supply, but their prime directive is to keep Wizard's supply chain healthy. Remember that these items are only available to brick stores, and not the huge online retailers. Wizards realizes that a vast majority of their player base goes to these small businesses. IMO it's a brilliant way to basically print those stores money, while providing something awesome for the players, and also making a nice profit. It's perfect for what they want to do.
Those who complain that Wizards doesn't send them a playset of every card they deem playable for some tiny amount of money are disillusioned. You'll understand this when you try and cash out your Magic collection. "Magic: the Stock Market" is a thing that you don't have to participate in, but how many of you don't use a price guide when trading? You're admitting that the cards are worth money, and want to retain their value through trading fairly. You aren't a speculator, just want to play, but at the end of the day you want to retain your value. The cards just aren't as special if they aren't worth anything. How many of you naysayers prefer foils over regular copies of cards? They're prettier, and more rare. That's why they're cool. At the end of the day, if you consider how much money the average player spends on Magic over the course of one year, getting Modern staples is just a matter of realigning your spending, or doing some trading for the things you need. Some of you talk like the cards just aren't available at all, and that simply isn't true. At worst, sell some things online (on here or MOTL), then buy what ya need. Now you can ship your Standard crap for Modern staples, and nobody bats an eye. Heck, you might even gain a bit of value along the way.
i did not miss it, I doubt marshall knows what goes inside wizards, he only relayed what Tom said wrongly.
By that logic, you should doubt RCarlysle knows what goes inside wizards; maybe he also relayed what Tom said wrongly?
We have two reports:
RCarlysle says Tom (who knows) says there's "a huge chance".
RCarlysle says Marshal says Tom (who knows) say it's confirmed.
Now, as long as we believe Tom, then we must believe both statements, and thus it's confirmed. Now, if we want to doubt because stuff could be relayed wrongly, then we have reason to doubt the "a huge chance" as well.
Rather than something being relayed wrongly, it's just as possible Tom was more forthcoming with one person than another.
Edit: As for a five-color mythic cycle, I would expect the five monocolored Planeswalkers from Zendikar block, but if JTMS is still banned, then most likely they won't have a specific cycle. (I guess they could do the M10 walkers.)
To those saying that modern masters didn't significantly affect the values of modern cards. To put it simply, the math disagrees with you.
All of the cards printed as a rare in the modern masters set, declined in value by between 33% and 50%.
All of the commons and uncommons in the set declined by between 50% and 67%.
The cards that didn't see much movement were the mythics. Some of the mythics dropped in value a little, but overall not by much, and in the case of Tarmogoyf and Dark Confidant, its true that the cards did go up in value relative to where they were when modern masters was released.
So yeah, a couple cards went up, a few stayed the same, and the rest of the cards in the set dropped in value by at least 1/3rd with most dropping 50% or more.
Overall I would say the set succeeded with what it was trying to do. Provide a fun draft format (check)
Increase supply/availability of modern cards (check)
While also helping to reduce the price of many (but not all) of the main tournament cards in modern printed between mirrodin and alara reborn.
Given that it was wizards first try at something like modern masters with a higher msrp, smaller amount of packs per box, and setting it up as a draftable set (among other things), wizards wasn't about to risk overprinting such a set, so they printed what they felt was a safe amount that would sell out for them without breaking anything so they could observe the results.
I suspect the next modern masters set will likely have a larger print run than the first, but still be a limited print run set. And if modern masters 2 end up being as popular as modern masters 1, then that gives them the chance to continue printing modern masters sets into the future, perhaps even every couple years to help things along.
Will be interesting to see how things play out though :).
Almost everything Jeff said is true, but I want to point out that there are a few cards that went up in rarity and thus their Modern Master value increased slightly (Auriok Salvagers is the most noteworthy, but also some Commons -> Uncommons like Death Rattle).
It's a good system, I actually quite enjoyed drafting it. I wish they did a larger print run so we could draft more often. I absolutely adored the drafting. I just hated the price tag on the cards, though.
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MM1 covered year 1-5 of modern
MM2 will cover years 6 -10, so no remand or Thoughtseize but we will get fetches
Actually, Modern Masters 1 included 6 years worth of blocks:
Mirrodin block, Kamigawa Block, Ravnica Block, Time Spiral block, Lorwyn/shadmoor block, Shards block.
Its highly unlikely that they would have the next modern masters set with only zendikar-now. Which, as of now, would only include:
Zendikar block, scars block, innistrad block, and ravnica block, with theros block being #5, other than that theros block would still be standard legal in mid 2015
What I believe is most likely, is they would simply expand the blocks by 2 years to include everything from mirrodin block - scars block (adding in zendikar and scars blocks). Having MM2, fill in most if not all of the holes left by MM1, and then adding a bunch of stuff from the two additional blocks, while still including plenty of the other good stuff from MM1 that would help make it a good all around set, once again, and make it a good draft format like MM1 was.
For now though, its a lot of speculation, I just wanted to correct your post slightly and then put forth my own thoughts :).
I think landfall would be the most likely choice for the reprinted mechanic, as I think it's one of the safest bets in MTG that fetchs will be in MM2. They are essential to playing the format, yet putting them in Standard isn't going to happen with Shocks around for the next year and a half. MM2 is a perfect way to get Shockland reprints without impacting standard.
Are you trying to be sarcastic or something? Onslaught fetches would have to be introduced in Modern via Standard, unless they decide to start doing special sets or make MM2 more than just reprints. In any case, how does the confirmation of MM2 tell us anything about Onslaught fetch reprints?
I still expect Onslaught fetches to be in Theros or Huey.
Because if they use MM2 to reprint the Zendikar fetches that are now prohibitively expensive, it's unlikely we'll get them in T2.
And since they're printing lands as 10 card cycles now we're not getting the allied half in a set by themselves.
So no Onslaught fetches.
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My bet is that they go up to Scars.
Problem with venting at WoTC, if it actually does anything, it's nothing good, and just something more for people to complain about.
This constant whining is just stupid, it's a bunch of grown men acting like 4 year olds who don't get their way.
I also don't understand this limited availability BS, I was able to get multiple boxes at MSRP, hell Is till can, I ran out of money long before I ran out of product to buy.
To be honest I think half the people who can't get this product are being lied to by their stores, and that it has zero to do with WoTC whatsoever......
And what is your reason to believe that 99% of TCG stores don't want to make money? Also, good luck with the influx of PMs asking if they can send you money to buy them boxes of MM.
Well, I was thinking stating ones frustrations here on this website on a specific thread or something. Sorry if I misled in that, I do not endorse sending threatening emails to any person or company and unless it is an everyday product, such as food, complaints on products to the manufacturer should kept to a minimum.
And maybe you are right and WOTC is innocent and the stores are just trying to bleed the end buyer. Hopefully if there is another MM it will be able to overcome its predecessor's shortcomings.
On the note of MSRP MM, could you pass that info onto me and the thousands of other people on this site?
Whether you're butt hurt (maybe an EDH killed your sister when you were a kid or something) or being sarcastic, I laughed.
This didn't read they way I meant it to.
What I meant was that at by suppling less they can sell it at Higher price.
Because they only have to make happy the amount of customers who are willing to pay the higher price for it.
My other points where trying to illustrate why they would want MM to be a limited "summer" event that occupied the short window between DGM and M14.
My point was that WOTC is not just about selling the most product to the most people at the lowest price. Which is what some people seem to think they should be doing.
That is true for Standard, but it would be quite odd to print cards that are not Modern legal in a set that is meant for Modern.
What I would like to see for MM2 is simply better communication from WotC to stores. No store in my area seemed to know how many boxes they were getting. One store told me they sold all but one or two boxes as pre-orders. But when the set actually released, they had at least enough to run 3-4 draft pods, a sealed event, and to give away packs as prizes.
I don't think they were lying to me. I think information was just hard to come by. Hopefully WotC can get some clear, accurate, and early information out there next time.
In all actuality, really excited. We better get a more...hmmm...consistent print run this time.
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Caw Blade is based on the ancient powerful strategy of equipping Storm Crow with Worldslayer, blowing everything up, punching your opponent in the face, stealing his cards, and running away. This new deck is a mere shell of the original caw blade's power.
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Jeskai Black
Modern:
Jund
Legacy:
Esper Stoneblade
EDH:
5 color slivers
Arcum Daggson
Sharuum The Hedgemon
Mishra...Shenanigans?
I think you missed this part:
i did not miss it, I doubt marshall knows what goes inside wizards, he only relayed what Tom said wrongly.
Those who complain that Wizards doesn't send them a playset of every card they deem playable for some tiny amount of money are disillusioned. You'll understand this when you try and cash out your Magic collection. "Magic: the Stock Market" is a thing that you don't have to participate in, but how many of you don't use a price guide when trading? You're admitting that the cards are worth money, and want to retain their value through trading fairly. You aren't a speculator, just want to play, but at the end of the day you want to retain your value. The cards just aren't as special if they aren't worth anything. How many of you naysayers prefer foils over regular copies of cards? They're prettier, and more rare. That's why they're cool. At the end of the day, if you consider how much money the average player spends on Magic over the course of one year, getting Modern staples is just a matter of realigning your spending, or doing some trading for the things you need. Some of you talk like the cards just aren't available at all, and that simply isn't true. At worst, sell some things online (on here or MOTL), then buy what ya need. Now you can ship your Standard crap for Modern staples, and nobody bats an eye. Heck, you might even gain a bit of value along the way.
By that logic, you should doubt RCarlysle knows what goes inside wizards; maybe he also relayed what Tom said wrongly?
We have two reports:
RCarlysle says Tom (who knows) says there's "a huge chance".
RCarlysle says Marshal says Tom (who knows) say it's confirmed.
Now, as long as we believe Tom, then we must believe both statements, and thus it's confirmed. Now, if we want to doubt because stuff could be relayed wrongly, then we have reason to doubt the "a huge chance" as well.
Rather than something being relayed wrongly, it's just as possible Tom was more forthcoming with one person than another.
Edit: As for a five-color mythic cycle, I would expect the five monocolored Planeswalkers from Zendikar block, but if JTMS is still banned, then most likely they won't have a specific cycle. (I guess they could do the M10 walkers.)
All of the cards printed as a rare in the modern masters set, declined in value by between 33% and 50%.
All of the commons and uncommons in the set declined by between 50% and 67%.
The cards that didn't see much movement were the mythics. Some of the mythics dropped in value a little, but overall not by much, and in the case of Tarmogoyf and Dark Confidant, its true that the cards did go up in value relative to where they were when modern masters was released.
So yeah, a couple cards went up, a few stayed the same, and the rest of the cards in the set dropped in value by at least 1/3rd with most dropping 50% or more.
Overall I would say the set succeeded with what it was trying to do. Provide a fun draft format (check)
Increase supply/availability of modern cards (check)
While also helping to reduce the price of many (but not all) of the main tournament cards in modern printed between mirrodin and alara reborn.
Given that it was wizards first try at something like modern masters with a higher msrp, smaller amount of packs per box, and setting it up as a draftable set (among other things), wizards wasn't about to risk overprinting such a set, so they printed what they felt was a safe amount that would sell out for them without breaking anything so they could observe the results.
I suspect the next modern masters set will likely have a larger print run than the first, but still be a limited print run set. And if modern masters 2 end up being as popular as modern masters 1, then that gives them the chance to continue printing modern masters sets into the future, perhaps even every couple years to help things along.
Will be interesting to see how things play out though :).
The other reason is that they are dumb.
MM1 covered year 1-5 of modern
MM2 will cover years 6 -10, so no remand or Thoughtseize but we will get fetches
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Actually, Modern Masters 1 included 6 years worth of blocks:
Mirrodin block, Kamigawa Block, Ravnica Block, Time Spiral block, Lorwyn/shadmoor block, Shards block.
Its highly unlikely that they would have the next modern masters set with only zendikar-now. Which, as of now, would only include:
Zendikar block, scars block, innistrad block, and ravnica block, with theros block being #5, other than that theros block would still be standard legal in mid 2015
What I believe is most likely, is they would simply expand the blocks by 2 years to include everything from mirrodin block - scars block (adding in zendikar and scars blocks). Having MM2, fill in most if not all of the holes left by MM1, and then adding a bunch of stuff from the two additional blocks, while still including plenty of the other good stuff from MM1 that would help make it a good all around set, once again, and make it a good draft format like MM1 was.
For now though, its a lot of speculation, I just wanted to correct your post slightly and then put forth my own thoughts :).
Because if they use MM2 to reprint the Zendikar fetches that are now prohibitively expensive, it's unlikely we'll get them in T2.
And since they're printing lands as 10 card cycles now we're not getting the allied half in a set by themselves.
So no Onslaught fetches.