So you wanted them to just print you a boxed set of 4 of each modern playable card? This is Magic, not YuGiOh.
For those wanting four of every playable card, just go to Yu-Gi-Oh. They tend to rapidly devalue $100 cards needed to be completive a year after release. And then they ban them six months later.
So you wanted them to just print you a boxed set of 4 of each modern playable card? This is Magic, not YuGiOh.
Yea, that is exactly what I said I wanted [/sarcasm for clueless]. I am not going to start rehashing what I wanted from the set and where I thought MM missed the mark, because that is not what this thread is about. If you want to think that all I wanted was for massive reprints of only Modern playable cards, then go right ahead. It is not the truth, but trying to convince people who have already judged you is pointless online.
If you print every card in mass quantity right now you limit your ability to continue to print that card in later years because people don't want them anymore. With products that sell for $6.99 MSRP, there is a lot of money to be gained in the future by not flooding the market right now.
People only have X amount of expendable income in a year. When you print something in a large print run, you risk people spending all their money on this product and not having money for other products they want to release.
Both of these are very important reasons to limit print runs. MM1 was also limited because it was a test. It's possible future MMs will have a higher print run, but it still will not be anything near standard sets or Commander products.
Two words: Shivan Dragon. Since when has people not wanting something stopped them from printing it? This is MAGIC: THE GATHERING. Not MAGIC: THE STOCK MARKET. The only way modern is going to be a viable format is if they take an axe to that stock market high horse. Card availability is the number one rule for a healthy format, not high card prices and 'specialness'. That specialness argument makes me want to vomit. I don't care how special you feel, nor should you care how special I feel. What should matter is that everyone is on a level playing field, and when card just flat out aren't available, that field has a steep slope.
If you print every card in mass quantity right now you limit your ability to continue to print that card in later years because people don't want them anymore. With products that sell for $6.99 MSRP, there is a lot of money to be gained in the future by not flooding the market right now.
People only have X amount of expendable income in a year. When you print something in a large print run, you risk people spending all their money on this product and not having money for other products they want to release.
Both of these are very important reasons to limit print runs. MM1 was also limited because it was a test. It's possible future MMs will have a higher print run, but it still will not be anything near standard sets or Commander products.
Limited Runs aren't just about "Collectibility" There is a supply and demand issue that clearly matters as well in what WOTC are doing which a lot of people are accepting. By limiting the supply they increased the demand and where able to set a higher price for the product.
By making it limited and in demand they also made it more of an event which allowed it to fit between to regular sets without detracting from either. (Arguably though DGM and M14 seem to be a bit underwhelming which could reflect a effect from MM and having an additional draft format/focus in between).
It's just basic Marketing and Economics. I find it weird how many people just don't seem to get this how WOTC do business, it's what makes them money and keeps Magic on top.
Two words: Shivan Dragon. Since when has people not wanting something stopped them from printing it? This is MAGIC: THE GATHERING. Not MAGIC: THE STOCK MARKET. The only way modern is going to be a viable format is if they take an axe to that stock market high horse. Card availability is the number one rule for a healthy format, not high card prices and 'specialness'. That specialness argument makes me want to vomit. I don't care how special you feel, nor should you care how special I feel. What should matter is that everyone is on a level playing field, and when card just flat out aren't available, that field has a steep slope.
Why are you talking about what players want or need? In fact, why are you talking about players at all? My entire post dealt with business decisions of WOTC. It is good business for them to keep a limited print run.
I mean, you can make those points if you want, but ignoring my entire post just makes you look like a moron, although <that's not unusual for you.>
Limited Runs aren't just about "Collectibility" There is a supply and demand issue that clearly matters as well in what WOTC are doing which a lot of people are accepting. By limiting the supply they increased the demand and where able to set a higher price for the product.
This sentence is, from an economist's perspective, nonsense.
The best thing I can say about MM2 compared to MM1 is that I won't need to spend a penny on WOTCs price gauging MM2. I needed most of what MM1 had, so I got stuck spending a lot of money on MM1. Fortunately, I already have every card that will ever be played from Zendikar forward in Modern. One less thing to buy in an already ridiculously priced hobby. I'm looking at you MM.
I thought it was so they could watch the product skyrocket in price even when they don't see even a fraction of that profit.
But seriously if there is another MM it needs to have a better print run because where I live not a single store in a two hour travel radius even tried to hold a draft. All the boxes were sold at pre-order and that was the end of it. There is a "Limited run" and then there is chumming the water with scraps.
wow this sounds so weird to me! here at my lgs various people bought a box, we had several drafts and the store still have at least 4 boxes.
two blocks away there's another store and they still have boxes there as well...
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Everyone knew this was coming so long as MM was successful, and MM was clearly successful. As someone else said, the real question is can they design a set quickly enough for next year, or will they wait until 2015. I think the registration of Magic: Conspiracy suggests multiplayer product in summer 2014 followed by MM2 in summer 2015 is more likely, but they could release MM2 in late 2014 if they wanted to.
I expect Zendikar and M10 to be included at a minimum (along with previously eligible sets). Also, I would not be surprised to see Goyf or Bob reprinted again.
Modern Masters 2 - Modern Harder
Modern Masters 2 - The Sequel
Modern Masters 2 - The Modern Master Strikes Back
Modern Masters 22 and a half
Modern Masters 2 - The Lost World
Modern Masters 2 - The Temple of Doom Blade
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And they should include all the notable omissions from the first one (Hierarch, Thoughtseize, Remand, Bribery).
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I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
Limited Runs aren't just about "Collectibility" There is a supply and demand issue that clearly matters as well in what WOTC are doing which a lot of people are accepting. By limiting the supply they increased the demand and where able to set a higher price for the product.
By making it limited and in demand they also made it more of an event which allowed it to fit between to regular sets without detracting from either. (Arguably though DGM and M14 seem to be a bit underwhelming which could reflect a effect from MM and having an additional draft format/focus in between).
It's just basic Marketing and Economics. I find it weird how many people just don't seem to get this how WOTC do business, it's what makes them money and keeps Magic on top.
Some of us aren't economists, so why don't you do us all a favor and explain why he's wrong instead of just saying he's wrong?
I'm just guessing, but I think he means limited supply does not cause increased demand. There is a correlation between the two in a lot of cases, but limited supply will not cause the increase in demand.
If WOTC created a set of the 178 worst cards ever printed and printed it at the same print run of Modern Masters, there wouldn't be the requisite demand to sell it at any reasonable rate (this could change if they only printed one and thereby creating some kind of ultra rare card set).
There are good reasons for a limited print run, but they did not necessarily do it to increase demand. The increased demand came from printing a set that had, by and large, the cards people wanted and creating a great draft set.
Take your monoblack deck, then set aside 14 swamps. Add 4 Creeping Tar Pits, 4 Darkslick Shores, 4 Drowned Catacombs, and 2 Jwar isle Refuge and add 4 Jace, the Mindsculptors. Your monoblack deck is instantly better. Better yet, drop those refuges, throw in some islands and some mana leaks, and lo and behold, you're now playing a real deck. Congratulations. Welcome to the world of competitive M:TG.
no **** they do. there's no point to making it enjoyable in limited if no one can play the god damn format due to availability and price gougers.
Considering that, for the last month or more, stores have been launching multiple Modern Masters drafts, selling boosters, etc......
No, I don't think so. Modern Masters is widely accepted as a huge success. The only people who are still crying are those who couldn't mow a lawn or deliver papers for a week so you could spend $35 to draft it.
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Old enough to know better, much too young to care.
no **** they do. there's no point to making it enjoyable in limited if no one can play the god damn format due to availability and price gougers.
I played it plenty, didn't spend any extra either.
People just like to complain, without any valid reason to do so....hell half the complaints are not even on WoTC they are on the Card Shops....go their and *****, otherwise shut up.
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To avoid a repeat of Chronicles, which heavily devalued the value of many LGS's collections of singles.
For those wanting four of every playable card, just go to Yu-Gi-Oh. They tend to rapidly devalue $100 cards needed to be completive a year after release. And then they ban them six months later.
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Actually it was for competitive limited. Which was possibly the greatest limited format ever.
Two words: Shivan Dragon. Since when has people not wanting something stopped them from printing it? This is MAGIC: THE GATHERING. Not MAGIC: THE STOCK MARKET. The only way modern is going to be a viable format is if they take an axe to that stock market high horse. Card availability is the number one rule for a healthy format, not high card prices and 'specialness'. That specialness argument makes me want to vomit. I don't care how special you feel, nor should you care how special I feel. What should matter is that everyone is on a level playing field, and when card just flat out aren't available, that field has a steep slope.
EDH is a CASUAL format. Get with the program, or GTFO.
Limited Runs aren't just about "Collectibility" There is a supply and demand issue that clearly matters as well in what WOTC are doing which a lot of people are accepting. By limiting the supply they increased the demand and where able to set a higher price for the product.
By making it limited and in demand they also made it more of an event which allowed it to fit between to regular sets without detracting from either. (Arguably though DGM and M14 seem to be a bit underwhelming which could reflect a effect from MM and having an additional draft format/focus in between).
It's just basic Marketing and Economics. I find it weird how many people just don't seem to get this how WOTC do business, it's what makes them money and keeps Magic on top.
Why are you talking about what players want or need? In fact, why are you talking about players at all? My entire post dealt with business decisions of WOTC. It is good business for them to keep a limited print run.
I mean, you can make those points if you want, but ignoring my entire post just makes you look like a moron, although <that's not unusual for you.>
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This sentence is, from an economist's perspective, nonsense.
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wow this sounds so weird to me! here at my lgs various people bought a box, we had several drafts and the store still have at least 4 boxes.
two blocks away there's another store and they still have boxes there as well...
Pioneer: WURFaerie fires BRGDragons
ModernBGElves WRBurn UR Fires Turns URGift Storm UG Twiddle Storm
Maybe they can even do a Legacy Master. I mean, it doesn't have to be built for Legacy. Just a draftable set with some broken cards.
As for all the "economic" nonsense: you guys are a prime example of my signature.
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I expect Zendikar and M10 to be included at a minimum (along with previously eligible sets). Also, I would not be surprised to see Goyf or Bob reprinted again.
That is a long wait for the Fetchlands reprint, so they better get repinted in "Return to Zendikar"
There's no reason MM2 can't overlap sets from MM1. The Masters Editions on MTGO overlap editions.
Some of us aren't economists, so why don't you do us all a favor and explain why he's wrong instead of just saying he's wrong?
Modern Masters 2 - Modern Harder
Modern Masters 2 - The Sequel
Modern Masters 2 - The Modern Master Strikes Back
Modern Masters 22 and a half
Modern Masters 2 - The Lost World
Modern Masters 2 - The Temple of Doom Blade
Modern Matsers 2 - Day of Judgement
And they should include all the notable omissions from the first one (Hierarch, Thoughtseize, Remand, Bribery).
This better have terminate in it, or thats just false advertising.
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I'm just guessing, but I think he means limited supply does not cause increased demand. There is a correlation between the two in a lot of cases, but limited supply will not cause the increase in demand.
If WOTC created a set of the 178 worst cards ever printed and printed it at the same print run of Modern Masters, there wouldn't be the requisite demand to sell it at any reasonable rate (this could change if they only printed one and thereby creating some kind of ultra rare card set).
There are good reasons for a limited print run, but they did not necessarily do it to increase demand. The increased demand came from printing a set that had, by and large, the cards people wanted and creating a great draft set.
Check out http://www.mtgbrodeals.com/author/john-murphy/ for my EDH articles!
-Gets blasted for a limited supply run
Wizards then decides, based on the overwhelming success of the first set, to do a second set
-Player's blast Wizards again for no apparent reason.
Yep, Magic player's are totally rational.
Maybe they forgot to preorder? It happens. My LGS forgot to preorder FTV Relics. They also didn't get any promo Supreme Verdicts.
no **** they do. there's no point to making it enjoyable in limited if no one can play the god damn format due to availability and price gougers.
Considering that, for the last month or more, stores have been launching multiple Modern Masters drafts, selling boosters, etc......
No, I don't think so. Modern Masters is widely accepted as a huge success. The only people who are still crying are those who couldn't mow a lawn or deliver papers for a week so you could spend $35 to draft it.
I played it plenty, didn't spend any extra either.
People just like to complain, without any valid reason to do so....hell half the complaints are not even on WoTC they are on the Card Shops....go their and *****, otherwise shut up.