Alright, in Tuesday's Feature Article by Bill Rose, he mentions that his only regret is that the sixth basic land didn't make it though developmnet. Theres a link to an Arcana with this story;
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n the days of the Invasion block, the domain mechanic loomed large. The more basic land types you controlled, the more powerful the effects you could generate with cards like Allied Strategies, Tribal Flames, and Ordered Migration. But not all of R&D's domain ideas made it to print. One card, a nonbasic land card designed to have strong interactions with the domain mechanic, never made it onto cardboard. This is the story of "Barry's Land," as told by its designer, Mark Rosewater:
"Finally, one of my cards that didn't make it through the process. Barry's Land read as follows:
Barry's Land
Land
Barry's Land counts as a basic land.
T: Add one colorless mana to your mana pool.
"One of my favorite parts about this card was watching people's faces the first time I showed it to them. They would squint and ask, 'What else does it do?'
"I would always smile and say, 'Nothing. And I believe the card, as is, might be tournament viable.'
"As I'm sure some of you are confused by this card, let me explain. 'Barry' was R&D's codename for the domain cards. Also, its important to know that during Invasion development, the domain deck was very, very strong. In the end, R&D greatly weakened the domain cards as we were concerned of a monster block deck as rebels was to Masques block.
"My favorite part of design is coming up with just off the wall ideas. Barry's Land started as in joke. I talked about making a land that would allow the domain decks to 'go to 6'. The card quickly picked up fans and got put into Invasion. During Invasion development it was decided that the card was better if it came out after the domain decks already existed.
"In the FFL (Future Future League - R&D's oddly named internal league), Barry's Land became very popular. There were long debates on how many to put into the domain decks. All was looking good. And then came the rules team....
"R&D actually fought pretty hard for this card but in the end the rules team's 'we have no remotely elegant way to print this card' won out. The end of this story is that it continues my kicked out of the set by the rules team streak increased by another set."
Mark told this story around the time of the release of Planeshift. But nowadays, with the simplified wording of basic lands in Eighth Edition, could Barry's Land get another shot at being printed? Paul Barclay's answer:
"Yes."
Anyone think this means we'll be seing Barry's Land in Ravnica? And would it have as much of an impact, as we don't see any cards that count basic land types... yet. Your thoughts?
Only with Invasion-ish cards at the moment, though. Ravnica will probably have more Domain cards, if Barry's Land gets printed.
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well i dont know if ravnica has such a "domain" theme as a "multicolor allignment in guilds" theme there seems to be no emphasis on having more than two colors on the board at all, let alone all five, and no emmphasis whatsoever on basic land types, so it may not see print in this block, but it is certainly a cool idea that should come in if they ever do another domain set.
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i think if they print this, it will have to be reprinted in each core set or each set suchh as a normal land. i think thats how its d=supposed to work but really, it wont get much play unless a noob thinks this would be da shiz in a artifact deck
As far as I know, we haven't any idea what Maro's "4th big theme" is. Basic lands vs. Non-basics? There'd have to be some reason for them to print a basic land that's strictly worse than the other five.
My one regret about domain is that the sixth basic land didn't make it though development. We had a land that tapped for colorless and counted as a basic land, so it counted as a sixth land type for Domain purposes. Perhaps one day Domain will return with its sixth basic land.
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R&D actually fought pretty hard for this card but in the end the rules team's 'we have no remotely elegant way to print this card' won out...Mark told this story around the time of the release of Planeshift. But nowadays, with the simplified wording of basic lands in Eighth Edition, could Barry's Land get another shot at being printed? Paul Barclay's answer:
"Yes."
This leads me to believe that Barry's Land will almost definately appear somewhere in Ravnica Block.
I wonder if it could be a rare land that counts as a basic. It would fit in for that Bad rare land that they always want to print somehow. I mean, if they will print One with Nothing who knows how many near useless rares they will print.
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I dunno if they would print something so dramatic as Barry's Land just to fit with something that's been gone as long as Domain. I mean, they have certainly printed cards that were responses to earlier sets (Tsabo's Web was meant to hose Rishidan Port, for instance.), but domain is what, five blocks removed from Ravnica? Either Barry's Land has some function in Rav block or I really doubt they'd print it.
Hey, you forgot the most important part of the Arcana: that little special thanks to me for emailing the question that inspired the Arcana in the first place.
Also, this Arcana is pretty ancient (even if it was relinked in the feature article this week), so don't take it as meaning Barry's Land is in Ravnica.
The slivers were Several blocks apart, more then cycling (trying to think of an other mechanic that was revisited). If they think a previous mechanic (domain) was really popular, they'll run it again. Then Barry's Land would fit.
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As much as I am wondering and arguing that they might print a 6ht basic land, I really hope they don't.
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Ravnica is the 2 colored decks block. Invasion was the multicolored madness block. It made enemy colors just as easy to run as allied ones and encouraged playing all five colors at once. Ravnica encourages playing 2 colors but no more. Everything in the block seems based on the two colored guilds.
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Is it just me or is there a continuity error in the linked article?
As far as I know when the article was written Kami-Block's change to the legendary rules hadn't been released yet, so why would he have compared the change in the "Basic" supertype to making "Legend" from a subtype into "Legendary" the supertype?
If there was ever a good time to bring domain back, it would have been Fifth Dawn, which had a 5-color theme. Of course, Barry's land wouldn't have worked that great with sunburst.
Heres a thought that someone else must have had before me. With the Bleed spells, the ones that cost :2mana::symg::symg: or something, and if you pay for the with any and some effect happens, could some of the spells have negative effects, like a drawback. So if you didn't want the drawback effect on the forth turn, you can drop the colorless basic land, instead of the swamp in your hand.
On second thought, no one may have thought of this before, cause is seems stupid.
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In any case, it'd be all but pointless to have a strict drawback, like, "If you paid any black, lose 2 life", because no one would ever play the card in a deck that had swamps in it; the card would just randomly hose playing green and black together, which is not very interesting and not really the point of the block.
you weren't sure what I was asking, but you confirmed all my thoughts, even the lose two life if you paid for this with . I was just trying to think of anyway a colorless basic land would be usefull in Rav with the info we have, and I don't think that idea I had is anywhere near usefull. If they do make the colorless basic land, I will fully expect a blue spell, instant for :symu::symu: that will make you lose 7 life. "Hows that for tricky?" -MaRo
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I just thought of something THE SIXTH ARTIFACT LAND!!
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Also, could you provide a link to the Arcana?
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Also, this Arcana is pretty ancient (even if it was relinked in the feature article this week), so don't take it as meaning Barry's Land is in Ravnica.
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As much as I am wondering and arguing that they might print a 6ht basic land, I really hope they don't.
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As far as I know when the article was written Kami-Block's change to the legendary rules hadn't been released yet, so why would he have compared the change in the "Basic" supertype to making "Legend" from a subtype into "Legendary" the supertype?
Maybe it's fake
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On second thought, no one may have thought of this before, cause is seems stupid.
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