STANDARD: Ban Felidar Guardian
- This card and the CopyCat Combo deck haven't put up insane, format-ruining numbers or anything but clearly its still a problem. Most pros seem to think it is strangling diversity out of the format. Like Emmy, the Combo is just so much better than any other long game you can muster which means fun Improvise-based Tezzeret decks just do nothing. As players keep refining, it seems like Combo (featuring early game Whirler Virtuoso pressure into lategame combo) versus Control (featuring tons of removal, gearhulks, and The Combo) will be the best decks in the format with only Mardu vehicles as a reasonable option. While that's a "balanced" meta from a standpoint of aggro, combo, and control all being viable and represented, it isn't balanced in that 2/3 of those decks will be using CopyCat as their endgame. Saheeli isn't really the problem and I imagine they're far more willing to ban the kitty then the marquee Planeswalker. What's more, the deck is in danger of just getting worse with Amonkhet. It is currently 4-color with consistency thanks to Aether Hub, Attune to the Aether, Oath of Nissa, and Servant of the Conduit, and so it can jam whatever busted thing it wants from the next set with little difficulty.
I think that will happen with absolute certainty.
Additional bans are tough. Clearly Mardu Vehicles is a nasty deck, and a "perfect draw" from it on the play (1-drop into two-drop into Removal into Gideon) is nigh-unbeatable. I could absolutely see them banning Scrapheap Scrounger, Heart of Kiran, or Walking Ballista (in roughly that order of likelihood) to wound but not cripple the deck. I can also easily see them doing nothing to this deck since they wouldn't want to further punish people who bought into Vehicle Aggro and Heart of Kiran at least can't be played in multiples and has a real deckbuilding cost to it. I also see a possibility of banning Aether Hub for enabling too easy a splash, banning Saheeli AND Cat, banning Scrounger AND Ballista, and banning Gideon as a card that will prevent Amonkhet cards from making a real impact. But, again, I think the only sure-thing is that Guardian is getting the hammer.
I don't foresee any bans anywhere else. Seems premature to ban Death's Shadow after its first big outing so Modern should be safe. I don't think anything will be unbanned either.
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STANDARD: Ban Felidar Guardian
- This card and the CopyCat Combo deck haven't put up insane, format-ruining numbers or anything but clearly its still a problem. Most pros seem to think it is strangling diversity out of the format. Like Emmy, the Combo is just so much better than any other long game you can muster which means fun Improvise-based Tezzeret decks just do nothing. As players keep refining, it seems like Combo (featuring early game Whirler Virtuoso pressure into lategame combo) versus Control (featuring tons of removal, gearhulks, and The Combo) will be the best decks in the format with only Mardu vehicles as a reasonable option. While that's a "balanced" meta from a standpoint of aggro, combo, and control all being viable and represented, it isn't balanced in that 2/3 of those decks will be using CopyCat as their endgame. Saheeli isn't really the problem and I imagine they're far more willing to ban the kitty then the marquee Planeswalker. What's more, the deck is in danger of just getting worse with Amonkhet. It is currently 4-color with consistency thanks to Aether Hub, Attune to the Aether, Oath of Nissa, and Servant of the Conduit, and so it can jam whatever busted thing it wants from the next set with little difficulty.
I think that will happen with absolute certainty.
Additional bans are tough. Clearly Mardu Vehicles is a nasty deck, and a "perfect draw" from it on the play (1-drop into two-drop into Removal into Gideon) is nigh-unbeatable. I could absolutely see them banning Scrapheap Scrounger, Heart of Kiran, or Walking Ballista (in roughly that order of likelihood) to wound but not cripple the deck. I can also easily see them doing nothing to this deck since they wouldn't want to further punish people who bought into Vehicle Aggro and Heart of Kiran at least can't be played in multiples and has a real deckbuilding cost to it. I also see a possibility of banning Aether Hub for enabling too easy a splash, banning Saheeli AND Cat, banning Scrounger AND Ballista, and banning Gideon as a card that will prevent Amonkhet cards from making a real impact. But, again, I think the only sure-thing is that Guardian is getting the hammer.
I don't foresee any bans anywhere else. Seems premature to ban Death's Shadow after its first big outing so Modern should be safe. I don't think anything will be unbanned either.
Zero chance they would ban Death's Shadow considering they are reprinting it for release later that week. They caught enough flak for Twin. Zero chance that happen so soon. Shadow is fair in an unfair format.
STANDARD: Ban Felidar Guardian
- This card and the CopyCat Combo deck haven't put up insane, format-ruining numbers or anything but clearly its still a problem. Most pros seem to think it is strangling diversity out of the format. Like Emmy, the Combo is just so much better than any other long game you can muster which means fun Improvise-based Tezzeret decks just do nothing. As players keep refining, it seems like Combo (featuring early game Whirler Virtuoso pressure into lategame combo) versus Control (featuring tons of removal, gearhulks, and The Combo) will be the best decks in the format with only Mardu vehicles as a reasonable option. While that's a "balanced" meta from a standpoint of aggro, combo, and control all being viable and represented, it isn't balanced in that 2/3 of those decks will be using CopyCat as their endgame. Saheeli isn't really the problem and I imagine they're far more willing to ban the kitty then the marquee Planeswalker. What's more, the deck is in danger of just getting worse with Amonkhet. It is currently 4-color with consistency thanks to Aether Hub, Attune to the Aether, Oath of Nissa, and Servant of the Conduit, and so it can jam whatever busted thing it wants from the next set with little difficulty.
I think that will happen with absolute certainty.
Additional bans are tough. Clearly Mardu Vehicles is a nasty deck, and a "perfect draw" from it on the play (1-drop into two-drop into Removal into Gideon) is nigh-unbeatable. I could absolutely see them banning Scrapheap Scrounger, Heart of Kiran, or Walking Ballista (in roughly that order of likelihood) to wound but not cripple the deck. I can also easily see them doing nothing to this deck since they wouldn't want to further punish people who bought into Vehicle Aggro and Heart of Kiran at least can't be played in multiples and has a real deckbuilding cost to it. I also see a possibility of banning Aether Hub for enabling too easy a splash, banning Saheeli AND Cat, banning Scrounger AND Ballista, and banning Gideon as a card that will prevent Amonkhet cards from making a real impact. But, again, I think the only sure-thing is that Guardian is getting the hammer.
I don't foresee any bans anywhere else. Seems premature to ban Death's Shadow after its first big outing so Modern should be safe. I don't think anything will be unbanned either.
This seems like a really good prediction to me. Only exception is I don't think Guardian ban is a certainty, although it does seem very, very likely.
I agree with you, but trying to sculpt the format with ban's wont help us, only things that need to be banned should be.
Mono-Blue has Turns, and I honestly do not believe it will get help from unban's, or from Standard. I dont think they know what they want out of blue, meanwhile Black and Green continue to get amped up mid range/grindy cards constantly.
We discussed this elsewhere, but the last good blue cards got banned quickly, there's been nothing worth playing in Blue since Khans.
I agree with you, but trying to sculpt the format with ban's wont help us, only things that need to be banned should be.
Mono-Blue has Turns, and I honestly do not believe it will get help from unban's, or from Standard. I dont think they know what they want out of blue, meanwhile Black and Green continue to get amped up mid range/grindy cards constantly.
We discussed this elsewhere, but the last good blue cards got banned quickly, there's been nothing worth playing in Blue since Khans.
yeah the only card turns would play is probably ponder and i doubt it will ever be unbanned.
even DTT and TC would be AT MAX 1x if played at all. jace doesn't fit turns as well same goes for preordain, not for us
probably SFM would push uw control in tier 1/tier 1.5 and even if blue would be basically in the same situation at least uw would be quite fine right?
i'm more towards the printing of something new like thing in the ice, titi is super awesome in blu and i'd like to see it more
I agree with you, but trying to sculpt the format with ban's wont help us, only things that need to be banned should be.
Mono-Blue has Turns, and I honestly do not believe it will get help from unban's, or from Standard. I dont think they know what they want out of blue, meanwhile Black and Green continue to get amped up mid range/grindy cards constantly.
We discussed this elsewhere, but the last good blue cards got banned quickly, there's been nothing worth playing in Blue since Khans.
you are right and i agree 100% with you, the last cool or cute card in blue we got was unsubstantiate and nobody is playing it besides me and i only play it to annoy my jund friend who always think he can abrupt decay my thing whenever he feels like, first time i played it against him, his jaw dropped and it gave me the game.
since than he plays more carefully when facing my budget merfolk. i dont own any lord of atlantis and i dont like the art, im waiting for a reprint (i might be dead when they decide to reprint it lol, i mean its been more than 7 years ive been waiting for that day)
i didnt touch my U/W turn deck in ages but i might just rebuild the deck just for run and i might include spell queller because i love this card!
or maybe look at the primer here since this versions must be bether than my 2010 versions lol
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I agree with you, but trying to sculpt the format with ban's wont help us, only things that need to be banned should be.
Mono-Blue has Turns, and I honestly do not believe it will get help from unban's, or from Standard. I dont think they know what they want out of blue, meanwhile Black and Green continue to get amped up mid range/grindy cards constantly.
We discussed this elsewhere, but the last good blue cards got banned quickly, there's been nothing worth playing in Blue since Khans.
you are right and i agree 100% with you, the last cool or cute card in blue we got was unsubstantiate and nobody is playing it besides me and i only play it to annoy my jund friend who always think he can abrupt decay my thing whenever he feels like, first time i played it against him, his jaw dropped and it gave me the game.
since than he plays more carefully when facing my budget merfolk. i dont own any lord of atlantis and i dont like the art, im waiting for a reprint (i might be dead when they decide to reprint it lol, i mean its been more than 7 years ive been waiting for that day)
i didnt touch my U/W turn deck in ages but i might just rebuild the deck just for run and i might include spell queller because i love this card!
or maybe look at the primer here since this versions must be bether than my 2010 versions lol
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pauper:
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STANDARD: Ban Felidar Guardian
- This card and the CopyCat Combo deck haven't put up insane, format-ruining numbers or anything but clearly its still a problem. Most pros seem to think it is strangling diversity out of the format. Like Emmy, the Combo is just so much better than any other long game you can muster which means fun Improvise-based Tezzeret decks just do nothing. As players keep refining, it seems like Combo (featuring early game Whirler Virtuoso pressure into lategame combo) versus Control (featuring tons of removal, gearhulks, and The Combo) will be the best decks in the format with only Mardu vehicles as a reasonable option. While that's a "balanced" meta from a standpoint of aggro, combo, and control all being viable and represented, it isn't balanced in that 2/3 of those decks will be using CopyCat as their endgame. Saheeli isn't really the problem and I imagine they're far more willing to ban the kitty then the marquee Planeswalker. What's more, the deck is in danger of just getting worse with Amonkhet. It is currently 4-color with consistency thanks to Aether Hub, Attune to the Aether, Oath of Nissa, and Servant of the Conduit, and so it can jam whatever busted thing it wants from the next set with little difficulty.
I think that will happen with absolute certainty.
Additional bans are tough. Clearly Mardu Vehicles is a nasty deck, and a "perfect draw" from it on the play (1-drop into two-drop into Removal into Gideon) is nigh-unbeatable. I could absolutely see them banning Scrapheap Scrounger, Heart of Kiran, or Walking Ballista (in roughly that order of likelihood) to wound but not cripple the deck. I can also easily see them doing nothing to this deck since they wouldn't want to further punish people who bought into Vehicle Aggro and Heart of Kiran at least can't be played in multiples and has a real deckbuilding cost to it. I also see a possibility of banning Aether Hub for enabling too easy a splash, banning Saheeli AND Cat, banning Scrounger AND Ballista, and banning Gideon as a card that will prevent Amonkhet cards from making a real impact. But, again, I think the only sure-thing is that Guardian is getting the hammer.
I don't foresee any bans anywhere else. Seems premature to ban Death's Shadow after its first big outing so Modern should be safe. I don't think anything will be unbanned either.
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Zero chance they would ban Death's Shadow considering they are reprinting it for release later that week. They caught enough flak for Twin. Zero chance that happen so soon. Shadow is fair in an unfair format.
This seems like a really good prediction to me. Only exception is I don't think Guardian ban is a certainty, although it does seem very, very likely.
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URW PillowFort Stasis (costruction)
modern:
U Taking Turns combo
pauper:
UB Servitor Control
xenob8 : you know you are going to have a bad time when opponent starts with snow covered island
Would this affect Puresteel, Affinity only?
URW PillowFort Stasis (costruction)
modern:
U Taking Turns combo
pauper:
UB Servitor Control
xenob8 : you know you are going to have a bad time when opponent starts with snow covered island
Lantern Control, the new Hardened Scales snake build, an assortment of t3 decks like eggs. It's not the most common card, but it is out there.
Unbans could happen to help blue spell based decks, but that's about it.
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I doubt any possible Blue card unbanned would help Blue
URW PillowFort Stasis (costruction)
modern:
U Taking Turns combo
pauper:
UB Servitor Control
xenob8 : you know you are going to have a bad time when opponent starts with snow covered island
Mono-Blue has Turns, and I honestly do not believe it will get help from unban's, or from Standard. I dont think they know what they want out of blue, meanwhile Black and Green continue to get amped up mid range/grindy cards constantly.
We discussed this elsewhere, but the last good blue cards got banned quickly, there's been nothing worth playing in Blue since Khans.
Spirits
yeah the only card turns would play is probably ponder and i doubt it will ever be unbanned.
even DTT and TC would be AT MAX 1x if played at all. jace doesn't fit turns as well same goes for preordain, not for us
probably SFM would push uw control in tier 1/tier 1.5 and even if blue would be basically in the same situation at least uw would be quite fine right?
i'm more towards the printing of something new like thing in the ice, titi is super awesome in blu and i'd like to see it more
URW PillowFort Stasis (costruction)
modern:
U Taking Turns combo
pauper:
UB Servitor Control
xenob8 : you know you are going to have a bad time when opponent starts with snow covered island
you are right and i agree 100% with you, the last cool or cute card in blue we got was unsubstantiate and nobody is playing it besides me and i only play it to annoy my jund friend who always think he can abrupt decay my thing whenever he feels like, first time i played it against him, his jaw dropped and it gave me the game.
since than he plays more carefully when facing my budget merfolk. i dont own any lord of atlantis and i dont like the art, im waiting for a reprint (i might be dead when they decide to reprint it lol, i mean its been more than 7 years ive been waiting for that day)
i didnt touch my U/W turn deck in ages but i might just rebuild the deck just for run and i might include spell queller because i love this card!
or maybe look at the primer here since this versions must be bether than my 2010 versions lol
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URW PillowFort Stasis (costruction)
modern:
U Taking Turns combo
pauper:
UB Servitor Control
xenob8 : you know you are going to have a bad time when opponent starts with snow covered island