Wow, I see I should have sold my salt shares on April 2nd... there's clearly an oversupply of saltiness in here.
Really, every man and his dog knows a non-official MtGS spoiler when they see one. If you were making financial decisions based off this, you were probably making them on Golden Lotus too. Financial decisions are based on risk. If that risk burns you one time, there's no point coming in here and pouring vitriol all over the mods. Especially on April Fool's.
I'm not gonna lie. It's threads like this one that would make me leave this forum forever if it weren't such a convenient source of mtg news. Seriously, this is stupid.
@Mods: This was a stupid move on your part. Calling fake info real and attempting to back it up, then justify that decision is a horrible idea, even on 4/1. Misinformation is for websites like the Onion, not sites people go to to actually get legit info. I don't care if it IS just a joke, it was a bad one, and yall should feel bad.
@Everyone else: A full set list was posted on 4/1 and some of you (no doubt due to the MODS wrongly vouching for its veracity, but still) believed it was real? Yeah, it was a bad move on the mods' part, but come on. Common sense people. Don't believe ANYTHING you hear on 4/1 EVER.
This is hilarious...
On another note, I did notice that people who didn't actually read through the pages thought the list was real. Those people were very quickly shot down in their "value" trades this weekend and learned very fast that it was April Fool's.
It's called April Fool's for a reason guys... the fools are out there...
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Well, for me, it basically boils down to why I dislike this whole 4/1-concept.
I dislike the way this prank went. I really do. I think the Mods should have authority and part of that is to NOT take part of such nonsense.
The main problem is that, the more you trust the mods and their authority, the more you get burned by this prank.
It's nothing I would suggest the mods to do again...
I probably just dislike 4/1 in general, but I think it's stupid to just "pause" the world for 1 day because absolutely nothing you hear and read is plausible...
(As a side note: I was sooooo close of buying Aether Vial because they were not listed, but decided against it because I need to save money for an Underground Sea.)
The whole thing was lame, to say the least, and I agree that it was completely irresponsible. They went out of their way to assure us that the list was legit.
Mods: It's totally real. Us: Nah. Total April Fool's joke. Mods: Nope. Totally real. We're protecting the guy's anonymity from Wizards. Us: I don't know, still seems kinda fishy. Mods: Trust us, guys. It's totally legit. Us*: Alright, cool. Sweet list! Mods: Gotcha! You guys totally believed it! SUCKERS!!! We totally got you!
It's ******* bull*****, and now these same ********s are going to issue me an infraction or whatever for flaming or cursing. **** you. Write yourself a damn citation.
*Some of us, anyway.
No, I am not going to give you an infraction because I do understand the strong feelings here. I am going to ask you (and everyone else) to maintain a civil tone though. We're still a family-friendly site after all.
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Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
People made financial decisions based on forum posts on April 1st? It's already spectacularly easy to lie on the internet. Then there's the fact that it was April 1st/you who made financial decisions based on this list have lived through numerous april fools day occasions based on your age and ability to make financial decisions on a pretty expensive card game. It's downright laughable. You all want to blame everyone else for your troubles, but ultimately the only person you can blame is yourself. No one made you buy/sell cardboard based on this list. Obvious April fools day jokes aren't really funny. I applaud this site for making one that legitimately fooled quite a bit of people. If people are getting ruined financially by this joke they should go seek help because that's akin to trying to gain value at a casino if you're spending money you actually need for something else.
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Thank you for your candid feedback. We have been discussing this internally and do feel that in hindsight it may have been pushed a little too far by too much of the staff. If anyone truly ends up getting burnt for a transaction they made as a result of a "spoiler" list which was posted here on April Fools' Day and not picked up by any other spoiler site then we do sincerely apologize. It was not our intention to cause financial harm to anyone. For everyone else, thank you for seeing the intent of the joke.
Again, thank you for the feedback and we will use lessons from this year in the future.
I had a huge reply written up to this whole thing, then noticed the admin's post. My husband made a joke about this whole thing. We should have known it was fake - red was getting WAY too much value, here. LOL!
I don't feel like beating a dead horse, so...to try to get this thing back on EMA - does anyone think that there *is* room for the ZEN fetches in EMA?
Are people still seriously dense enough to say that enemy fetches won't be in the set? We were explicitly told that Wizards will not be doing half-cycles of lands in block sets. We got the allied fetches in Khans, couple Wizards' statement with other hints, the enemy fetches will be in Dragons. You have to be a complete idiot to believe otherwise.
If you have to say "it's not an April fools joke guys, trust us!" to convince people that your prank is real then your prank is a failure. Between this and the 15 page thread dedicated to the "guy from 4chan" I'm wondering why I even bother coming here.
If you have to say "it's not an April fools joke guys, trust us!" to convince people that your prank is real then your prank is a failure. Between this and the 15 page thread dedicated to the "guy from 4chan" I'm wondering why I even bother coming here.
I am fine with the 4chan discussion, because there we are talking baseless speculation. We know it probably isn't true, we just like discussing what might be, and what we want to see.
Here I thought this was just an April fools joke at first. I saw the list, remembered what day it is, got a laugh and read some reactions. Then a mod said most of the list was legit, and I believed them because they were a mod and I used to trust them on confirming rumors. It's one thing to make a joke list, it is another to exploit authority and trust to deceive people on its veracity.
I had a huge reply written up to this whole thing, then noticed the admin's post. My husband made a joke about this whole thing. We should have known it was fake - red was getting WAY too much value, here. LOL!
I don't feel like beating a dead horse, so...to try to get this thing back on EMA - does anyone think that there *is* room for the ZEN fetches in EMA?
I don't think they are in.
First hint:
They would eat up 5 rare land slots. Rare land slots in which you could print one million cool lands that are not a cycle and that are not in Modern (so you can save the ZEN fetchlands for Modern Master hype)
Second hint: Remember that this will be "mostly pre-modern stuff" (according to the announcement).
Third hint: Can you imagine what the EV of the rest of the product should be if we include the fetchlands? The room for expensive stuff, apart from 5 fetches, Wasteland and Force, would be pretty tiny. That just sounds like a good way to ruin the set
Conclusion: I'm 95% sure that they are not in the set, and I'm very sad if they are.
I am leaning the same way when thinking about the Zen fetches. I don't think that, in a set like this, they will use 5 of the rare slots for a cycle of rare lands. I'm just of the mindset that they really need reprinted somewhere.
I didn't remember about the "pre-Modern" part of the announcement. I think I just saw the Force reprint, and was happy to have one of my favorite cards re-printed in modern card face (and not just as a judge promo). Thanks so much for letting me know.
As far as the EV of the set, yeah, you're right there. There are a bunch of other cards that I'd rather see reprinted than lands that hopefully (eventually) will see a reprint. Things like JtMS that cannot see reprint in MM3 are probably better reprinted here, and the Zendikar fetches saved for MM3.
Really, every man and his dog knows a non-official MtGS spoiler when they see one. If you were making financial decisions based off this, you were probably making them on Golden Lotus too. Financial decisions are based on risk. If that risk burns you one time, there's no point coming in here and pouring vitriol all over the mods. Especially on April Fool's.
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@Mods: This was a stupid move on your part. Calling fake info real and attempting to back it up, then justify that decision is a horrible idea, even on 4/1. Misinformation is for websites like the Onion, not sites people go to to actually get legit info. I don't care if it IS just a joke, it was a bad one, and yall should feel bad.
@Everyone else: A full set list was posted on 4/1 and some of you (no doubt due to the MODS wrongly vouching for its veracity, but still) believed it was real? Yeah, it was a bad move on the mods' part, but come on. Common sense people. Don't believe ANYTHING you hear on 4/1 EVER.
On another note, I did notice that people who didn't actually read through the pages thought the list was real. Those people were very quickly shot down in their "value" trades this weekend and learned very fast that it was April Fool's.
It's called April Fool's for a reason guys... the fools are out there...
I dislike the way this prank went. I really do. I think the Mods should have authority and part of that is to NOT take part of such nonsense.
The main problem is that, the more you trust the mods and their authority, the more you get burned by this prank.
It's nothing I would suggest the mods to do again...
I probably just dislike 4/1 in general, but I think it's stupid to just "pause" the world for 1 day because absolutely nothing you hear and read is plausible...
(As a side note: I was sooooo close of buying Aether Vial because they were not listed, but decided against it because I need to save money for an Underground Sea.)
No, I am not going to give you an infraction because I do understand the strong feelings here. I am going to ask you (and everyone else) to maintain a civil tone though. We're still a family-friendly site after all.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
This.
Good joke guys, can't believe how everybody is reacting to this. Come on, its just some list.
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Thank you for your candid feedback. We have been discussing this internally and do feel that in hindsight it may have been pushed a little too far by too much of the staff. If anyone truly ends up getting burnt for a transaction they made as a result of a "spoiler" list which was posted here on April Fools' Day and not picked up by any other spoiler site then we do sincerely apologize. It was not our intention to cause financial harm to anyone. For everyone else, thank you for seeing the intent of the joke.
Again, thank you for the feedback and we will use lessons from this year in the future.
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I don't feel like beating a dead horse, so...to try to get this thing back on EMA - does anyone think that there *is* room for the ZEN fetches in EMA?
WUBruna, Host of Herons
GWKarametra, God of Harvests landfall
WURNarset, Enlightened Master
WUBOloro, Ageless Ascetic Stax
GWUAngus MacKenzie Prison
WBRKaalia of the Vast
WBRTariel, Reckoner of Souls Big Mana
URGAnimar, Soul of Elements
URGRiku of Two Reflections
WBGAnafenza, the Foremost Living Death
I really should leave it but I had to point out the lack of self-awareness in your post.
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I am fine with the 4chan discussion, because there we are talking baseless speculation. We know it probably isn't true, we just like discussing what might be, and what we want to see.
Here I thought this was just an April fools joke at first. I saw the list, remembered what day it is, got a laugh and read some reactions. Then a mod said most of the list was legit, and I believed them because they were a mod and I used to trust them on confirming rumors. It's one thing to make a joke list, it is another to exploit authority and trust to deceive people on its veracity.
I don't think they are in.
First hint:
They would eat up 5 rare land slots. Rare land slots in which you could print one million cool lands that are not a cycle and that are not in Modern (so you can save the ZEN fetchlands for Modern Master hype)
Second hint: Remember that this will be "mostly pre-modern stuff" (according to the announcement).
Third hint: Can you imagine what the EV of the rest of the product should be if we include the fetchlands? The room for expensive stuff, apart from 5 fetches, Wasteland and Force, would be pretty tiny. That just sounds like a good way to ruin the set
Conclusion: I'm 95% sure that they are not in the set, and I'm very sad if they are.
I didn't remember about the "pre-Modern" part of the announcement. I think I just saw the Force reprint, and was happy to have one of my favorite cards re-printed in modern card face (and not just as a judge promo). Thanks so much for letting me know.
As far as the EV of the set, yeah, you're right there. There are a bunch of other cards that I'd rather see reprinted than lands that hopefully (eventually) will see a reprint. Things like JtMS that cannot see reprint in MM3 are probably better reprinted here, and the Zendikar fetches saved for MM3.
WUBruna, Host of Herons
GWKarametra, God of Harvests landfall
WURNarset, Enlightened Master
WUBOloro, Ageless Ascetic Stax
GWUAngus MacKenzie Prison
WBRKaalia of the Vast
WBRTariel, Reckoner of Souls Big Mana
URGAnimar, Soul of Elements
URGRiku of Two Reflections
WBGAnafenza, the Foremost Living Death
I'm not offended, I'm laughing at you. Big difference mate.
If you want to continue discussing Eternal Masters, feel free to do so in the main Eternal Masters thread:
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