Why different cards can be more expensive then other's:
- power, the card is incredible good
- illustration, the card find's a lot of fans because of the art
- flavour text, i know several people collecting and liking the card just
because of this!
- etc.
Sure, but if all the cards were readily available your first item there becomes meaningless -- the power of the card will not drive significant price increases if the card is readily available. If I can just go buy a WB version of the card, the power of the original will not significantly affect its collectability.
As for the other two? Sure. Those would affect prices. You'll note I didn't say exactly the same price. I said approximately the same price. so that would be something like: all the BB rares from a more recent set that is now only in WB would sell in a 1-10 dollar range. All the rares in an older set (like Alpha/Beta) would be in an approximately 50-75 dollar range.
The idea being that it is the collectible aspect, the rarity, of those sets that allows the BB version to maintain the value.
The use of BB = limited edition and WB = unlimited edition allows collectors to maintain collectibility of their cards without impacting the game itself.
And now tell me how it would be possible to make every rarity approximately worth the same? If a card is bad, has bad art and generally sucks at all, why should it be worth the same as a good one?!
I assume you mean every card of the same rarity, not every rarity. But the answer is: It should be worth the same as a good card because the collectibility is what drives the price. Not the playability.
I'm OK with bad art, weird flavor or whatever affecting the price of the card -- the affect those would have would be minimal and wouldn't cause dramatic differences in price.
Furthermore, the prices all over MTG Cards are driven by you, me, and all other Players! As long as any one of us is willing to pay the high price for it it's just worth it!
No **** sherlock. I know how the current system works. I'm describing my ideal system. You know, one that wouldn't work how the current system works.
Other example, a private seller shows up to an event and you are interested in card "A" wich is worth 6$, you offer 5$ and I scream between you and him "I'll pay 9$!" To whom do you think he'll sell the card?!
You're putting it the wrong way. WotC don't use Judge Gift to make chase cards commons. They need to keep some chase rares to be able to print Judge Gift.
No I get that. That was my point. The purpose of putting chase uncommons in these sorts of sets (graveborn/commander) is to make those cards readily available to the players.
The purpose of judge promos is not that. At all. Thus, Judge promos are somewhat irrelevant.
You should probably specify price otherwise I'm sure dime a dozen zoo creatures might count.
Actually, WotC has never in the history of magic done a non-limited print of anything. Every set they have ever produced, including the set called "unlimited" has been a limited run.
Well that and if they "blow their wad" and give us everything we want all at once, then we won't have anything to look forward to years from now. Trust me, years fly by when you play this game, and today's OMG is tomorrow's "wish it was."
Compare the price of Wheel of Fortune and Wasteland, both released the same day in the same quantity.
A chase card make a valuable Judge Gift, a non-chase card doesn't.
It's not irrelevant: WotC needs to keep some chase cards away from the mass to have valuable things to give to their judges.
I don't think that WotC makes their decisions on what cards to repriint and how based on how they can make judge promos more valuable...
I am so sick and tired of gettin rid of cards . If Wizards reprint one more thing like this I'm selling everything
It's reasonable to feel this way. Having played this game for 15 year plus, it is aggravating that some of the cards I've accumulated can't be used in this or that, or some play groups think its too powerful or have some sort of prejudice.
But honestly, just sell everything you have so I don't have to see this post repeat itself. Life moves on.
Anyways, graveborn, deck? Trip to value town on Friday. Think of it as buying an entomb and getting 59 foils free.
And I think some people are taking this "value" a bit too seriously, after a while you realize you play Magic or collect for enjoyment, not as a retirement plan.
I don't think that WotC makes their decisions on what cards to repriint and how based on how they can make judge promos more valuable...
I agree here.
I think the main reason WotC doesn't just mass reprint old staples and other valuables that have dodged the reserve list is that they are simply trying to keep the game "collectible". Feeding us bits like this set is good value for the price, but doesn't invalidate collector's investments.
Also, it's important to note that just reprinting everything (or doing functional reprints) won't necessarily help the game. It'll definitely cheapen the game, forcing down prices everywhere. A drastic change like this would really change sales and WotC is doing very well for itself right now.
Moderation is key. Respecting the judges, the pros, the casuals, the grinders, the collectors, and any other group is important since we all make up the market. Graveborn and the Commander series are both very good for competitive, collectors, and casual players alike.
I think the main reason WotC doesn't just mass reprint old staples and other valuables that have dodged the reserve list is that they are simply trying to keep the game "collectible". Feeding us bits like this set is good value for the price, but doesn't invalidate collector's investments.
Honestly, in the long term I think it would be healthiest for the game if WotC made it clear that, while collectible, cards for this game are not an investment.
I respect that tehreserve list exists. I respect that we're stuck with it. but every other card in hte game is "fair game" -- WotC needs to show that fair game means jsut that. there are no sacred cows.
reprint just one of the following in a cheap(ish) deck:
Tarmogoyf
Force of Will
Wasteland
And the myth of "its so valuable they won't ever reprint it" will be shattered.
Dont know if this will be relevent here or that I am even posting this on the right page but.... I just picked this up and it looks great the foil cards are awesome!
Compare the price of Wheel of Fortune and Wasteland, both released the same day in the same quantity.
A chase card make a valuable Judge Gift, a non-chase card doesn't.
It's not irrelevant: WotC needs to keep some chase cards away from the mass to have valuable things to give to their judges.
Of course a card with a stupidly high pricetag, like Wasteland, will be worth more. Even if it's a couple dollars, though, the judge foil will still be $20-30. That's good, standard planeswalker price. There's also, almost no cards played in Legacy that aren't on the reserved list and are as valuable as Goyf, FOW, or Wasteland. Besides, Wasteland is an uncommon from a set with high print run, a Player Rewards foil, and a judge foil and it's still worth more than just about anything. A deck with Goyf/FOW isn't going to drop them enough that a judge foil will be worth under $100, anyway.
I looked it up and all we have left over $30 for reprintable, legacy playables that don't already have a judge foil are Goyf, FOW, Show and Tell, and JTMS.
Honestly, in the long term I think it would be healthiest for the game if WotC made it clear that, while collectible, cards for this game are not an investment.
I respect that tehreserve list exists. I respect that we're stuck with it. but every other card in hte game is "fair game" -- WotC needs to show that fair game means jsut that. there are no sacred cows.
reprint just one of the following in a cheap(ish) deck:
Tarmogoyf
Force of Will
Wasteland
And the myth of "its so valuable they won't ever reprint it" will be shattered.
I would like them to reprint those cards in newer products too, I just don't think they will. Though I don't want to see these cards in Standard. Especially wasteland.
I think Sol Ring is one way they've shown that they're not entirely closed to the idea of reprinting older powerful cards.
Wasteland wouldn't be that bad in standard. It would make people mulligan just a little more and stop people from going 4 or 5 colors, but more often, it would probably hit utility lands, just like Tectonic Edge did. It's not like you can really play Land Destruction in standard. FOW and Goyf would see play, too, but removal is even better than Goyf's first run and FOW probably wouldn't see quite as much play as Remand, Cryptic, or Mana Leak. The blue card thing is rather painful and the turn one combo doesn't even potentially exist. I think the issue is more people not wanting their prices crushed than being overpowered.
Been wanting to play reanimator for a while. Might as well pick up one of these, and get the rest as singles.
And is there an exact release date on this ??
November 18th. This Friday,
As for getting the rest as singles, you might be able to find a cheap box set for about the same price as 4-5 of the bigger singles if you do some digging.
Plains - John Avon - 230
Island - Jung Park - 235
Island - Vincent Proce - 237
Swamp - John Avon - 238
Mountain - John Avon - 242
Forest - John Avon - 246
As for getting the rest as singles, you might be able to find a cheap box set for about the same price as 4-5 of the bigger singles if you do some digging.
SAW WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT!! I might just pick up 4 on friday...mMmmMmmm
Using just the pre-packaged cards, what do you guys think the best deck is that could be put togehter (saying you buy multiple and add multples of some cards and removed others)? I was thinking about buying 2, and replacing a couple of the big beaters and maybe doubling up on others. Any input?
Wasteland wouldn't be that bad in standard. It would make people mulligan just a little more and stop people from going 4 or 5 colors, but more often, it would probably hit utility lands, just like Tectonic Edge did. It's not like you can really play Land Destruction in standard. FOW and Goyf would see play, too, but removal is even better than Goyf's first run and FOW probably wouldn't see quite as much play as Remand, Cryptic, or Mana Leak. The blue card thing is rather painful and the turn one combo doesn't even potentially exist. I think the issue is more people not wanting their prices crushed than being overpowered.
Wasteland has not been reprinted for more reasons than just preserving collector's value. It is way too good for the current standard. Mana fixing is pretty bad right now, so being able to hit your opponent's 1st or second color source is crippling. You'd basically be able to create a pox/mb control variant with smallpox, wasteland, and liliana. It would also warp modern and kill Jund.
Wasteland wouldn't be that bad in standard. It would make people mulligan just a little more and stop people from going 4 or 5 colors, but more often, it would probably hit utility lands, just like Tectonic Edge did. It's not like you can really play Land Destruction in standard. FOW and Goyf would see play, too, but removal is even better than Goyf's first run and FOW probably wouldn't see quite as much play as Remand, Cryptic, or Mana Leak. The blue card thing is rather painful and the turn one combo doesn't even potentially exist. I think the issue is more people not wanting their prices crushed than being overpowered.
Tectonic Edge mainly hit people's utility lands b/c you can't even activate it until they have 4 lands in play. When was the last time you saw land destruction on a 3cc mana card? hmmm....I wonder if they're ever going to print it on a 0cc mana card like Wasteland. You should think more if you think that Tectonic Edge and Wasteland are even close.
I don't think it has anything to do with price. The people who harp about the price are mainly the ones who don't have them and are biased for reprints of everything. Nothing's stopping anyone from proxying if you want to play.
This is a great Premium Series deck. If they're going to reprint cards, this is a great scale to do so. Of course, there will be complaints from cheapoes about how there aren't 4 Entombs and why this "pre-con" isn't $9.99. And even for people who are hard-liners against any reprints should check the price of foil Elspeth from Shards compared to one from the Duel Deck.
I think this may be the first premium deck I buy. Seems fun. To bad Avatar of Woe didn't get an alternate art...she's my favorite card but her art has always been kind lame. I dunno just think it could be better
Tectonic Edge mainly hit people's utility lands b/c you can't even activate it until they have 4 lands in play. When was the last time you saw land destruction on a 3cc mana card? hmmm....I wonder if they're ever going to print it on a 0cc mana card like Wasteland. You should think more if you think that Tectonic Edge and Wasteland are even close.
I don't think it has anything to do with price. The people who harp about the price are mainly the ones who don't have them and are biased for reprints of everything. Nothing's stopping anyone from proxying if you want to play.
This is a great Premium Series deck. If they're going to reprint cards, this is a great scale to do so. Of course, there will be complaints from cheapoes about how there aren't 4 Entombs and why this "pre-con" isn't $9.99. And even for people who are hard-liners against any reprints should check the price of foil Elspeth from Shards compared to one from the Duel Deck.
Im excited for this, but I wonder...what would be next? No joking or trolling, im curious as to what would be a logical next step for PDS. We had Slivers, Sligh, and now Reanimator. Could we possibly see Stax or something? Not to start a tangent, but im curious as to what people think.
Im excited for this, but I wonder...what would be next? No joking or trolling, im curious as to what would be a logical next step for PDS. We had Slivers, Sligh, and now Reanimator. Could we possibly see Stax or something? Not to start a tangent, but im curious as to what people think.
So they haven't printed a 3cc land destruction spell since 2008.
So they haven't printed a 3cc land destruction spell that could kill a basic since 2006.
I don't think R&D is pushing any land destruction soon.
I think this may be the first premium deck I buy. Seems fun. To bad Avatar of Woe didn't get an alternate art...she's my favorite card but her art has always been kind lame. I dunno just think it could be better
It amuses me that you don't like the art on Avatar of Woe, yet you use that art as part of your signature banner.
I presume that you don't like her extant alternate art any better?
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Dont know if this will be relevent here or that I am even posting this on the right page but.... I just picked this up and it looks great the foil cards are awesome!
Also the reprints with new art look super cool!
Do you mind sharing which Swamp arts were used? I guess I'll know tomorrow, but just curious. Thanks.
No joking or trolling, im curious as to what would be a logical next step for PDS. We had Slivers, Sligh, and now Reanimator. Could we possibly see Stax or something? Not to start a tangent, but im curious as to what people think.
As am I. The bad news is we probably won't hear anything about another FTV or PDS till after DKA has released. And then it won't be released till a few months later.
A straight up control deck would be sweet, but I think it would be difficult to do since most of the best control cards are too good. It does seem like the PDS are aimed at medium skill players, with regular precons and the Vs decks at the lower end.
Whether or not WOTC thinks a control deck is something that would interest new players, is hit or miss. But at the same time, I don't think playing Graveborn effectively would be intuitive to new players, so why not a control deck?
I think this may be the first premium deck I buy. Seems fun. To bad Avatar of Woe didn't get an alternate art...she's my favorite card but her art has always been kind lame. I dunno just think it could be better
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As am I. The bad news is we probably won't hear anything about another FTV or PDS till after DKA has released. And then it won't be released till a few months later.
Posibilities I can think of:
Mono-U control (counter/draw)
Merfolk
storm (unlikely, but possible -- most key storm cards are non-rare)
43 lands (doubtful)
Aside form those, most tier 1 or 2 legacy decks that I can think of either rely on too many multiples of rares or on reprint listed cards.
Wasteland has not been reprinted for more reasons than just preserving collector's value. It is way too good for the current standard. Mana fixing is pretty bad right now, so being able to hit your opponent's 1st or second color source is crippling. You'd basically be able to create a pox/mb control variant with smallpox, wasteland, and liliana. It would also warp modern and kill Jund.
I think warp modern is kind of overstating it. Wasteland would be played, but other than original duals and doubling up on fetches, modern's mana is basically the same as legacy/vintage. It would probably even let us unban Cloudpost and Dark Depths. It's not like nonbasic hate is anywhere near as strong in Modern. Besides, if you're worried about Jund, we could have the allied fetches back. Then, you can just go all legacy on the mana base.
As for the Pox variant in standard, I'm not really that scared of it. Sure, it might make the meta a bit faster, but the land destruction junkies deserve their day in the light at least once a decade.
Tectonic Edge mainly hit people's utility lands b/c you can't even activate it until they have 4 lands in play. When was the last time you saw land destruction on a 3cc mana card? hmmm....I wonder if they're ever going to print it on a 0cc mana card like Wasteland. You should think more if you think that Tectonic Edge and Wasteland are even close.
I don't think it has anything to do with price. The people who harp about the price are mainly the ones who don't have them and are biased for reprints of everything. Nothing's stopping anyone from proxying if you want to play.
This is a great Premium Series deck. If they're going to reprint cards, this is a great scale to do so. Of course, there will be complaints from cheapoes about how there aren't 4 Entombs and why this "pre-con" isn't $9.99. And even for people who are hard-liners against any reprints should check the price of foil Elspeth from Shards compared to one from the Duel Deck.
I didn't say Wasteland = Tectonic Edge. All I'm saying is that it wouldn't be that oppressive to the format. For the record, I personally find land destruction to be really annoying, but people like different things.
As for 3cc land destruction, we had Fulminator Mage and Rain of Tears in the days before M10. We also got Tectonic Edge in Zendikar and when that rotated, we got Ghost Quarter back. I don't think there's ever been a time when we didn't have at least one land destruction effect at 3 mana or less in standard.
As am I. The bad news is we probably won't hear anything about another FTV or PDS till after DKA has released. And then it won't be released till a few months later.
A straight up control deck would be sweet, but I think it would be difficult to do since most of the best control cards are too good. It does seem like the PDS are aimed at medium skill players, with regular precons and the Vs decks at the lower end.
Whether or not WOTC thinks a control deck is something that would interest new players, is hit or miss. But at the same time, I don't think playing Graveborn effectively would be intuitive to new players, so why not a control deck?
I could see a control deck. I wouldn't expect something totally obnoxious like mono blue million counter.dec, Stax, or Stasis, but Wizards does like to cater to everyone once in a while.
You are mistaken. It would completely remove all three-colored decks from the format, against which it would hit the first target that presents itself, as soon as possible. All two-colored decks other than G/x ramp would be in trouble. The winners would be mono-X aggro and any deck able to tutor up lands. Just imagine Primeval Titan into 2x Wasteland! And then WotC would have to print another Teferi's Response.
I didn't say print it right this minute while Prime Time is in standard. Still, 4 Wasteland isn't going to annihilate multicolor. It'll just make people a bit less greedy under normal circumstances.
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I was talking about a hypothetical ideal world -- not an actual one. How can it not make sense?
Sure, but if all the cards were readily available your first item there becomes meaningless -- the power of the card will not drive significant price increases if the card is readily available. If I can just go buy a WB version of the card, the power of the original will not significantly affect its collectability.
As for the other two? Sure. Those would affect prices. You'll note I didn't say exactly the same price. I said approximately the same price. so that would be something like: all the BB rares from a more recent set that is now only in WB would sell in a 1-10 dollar range. All the rares in an older set (like Alpha/Beta) would be in an approximately 50-75 dollar range.
The idea being that it is the collectible aspect, the rarity, of those sets that allows the BB version to maintain the value.
The use of BB = limited edition and WB = unlimited edition allows collectors to maintain collectibility of their cards without impacting the game itself.
I assume you mean every card of the same rarity, not every rarity. But the answer is: It should be worth the same as a good card because the collectibility is what drives the price. Not the playability.
I'm OK with bad art, weird flavor or whatever affecting the price of the card -- the affect those would have would be minimal and wouldn't cause dramatic differences in price.
No **** sherlock. I know how the current system works. I'm describing my ideal system. You know, one that wouldn't work how the current system works.
how is that even relevant?
No I get that. That was my point. The purpose of putting chase uncommons in these sorts of sets (graveborn/commander) is to make those cards readily available to the players.
The purpose of judge promos is not that. At all. Thus, Judge promos are somewhat irrelevant.
Actually, WotC has never in the history of magic done a non-limited print of anything. Every set they have ever produced, including the set called "unlimited" has been a limited run.
I don't think that WotC makes their decisions on what cards to repriint and how based on how they can make judge promos more valuable...
It's reasonable to feel this way. Having played this game for 15 year plus, it is aggravating that some of the cards I've accumulated can't be used in this or that, or some play groups think its too powerful or have some sort of prejudice.
But honestly, just sell everything you have so I don't have to see this post repeat itself. Life moves on.
Anyways, graveborn, deck? Trip to value town on Friday. Think of it as buying an entomb and getting 59 foils free.
And I think some people are taking this "value" a bit too seriously, after a while you realize you play Magic or collect for enjoyment, not as a retirement plan.
I agree here.
I think the main reason WotC doesn't just mass reprint old staples and other valuables that have dodged the reserve list is that they are simply trying to keep the game "collectible". Feeding us bits like this set is good value for the price, but doesn't invalidate collector's investments.
Also, it's important to note that just reprinting everything (or doing functional reprints) won't necessarily help the game. It'll definitely cheapen the game, forcing down prices everywhere. A drastic change like this would really change sales and WotC is doing very well for itself right now.
Moderation is key. Respecting the judges, the pros, the casuals, the grinders, the collectors, and any other group is important since we all make up the market. Graveborn and the Commander series are both very good for competitive, collectors, and casual players alike.
Honestly, in the long term I think it would be healthiest for the game if WotC made it clear that, while collectible, cards for this game are not an investment.
I respect that tehreserve list exists. I respect that we're stuck with it. but every other card in hte game is "fair game" -- WotC needs to show that fair game means jsut that. there are no sacred cows.
reprint just one of the following in a cheap(ish) deck:
Tarmogoyf
Force of Will
Wasteland
And the myth of "its so valuable they won't ever reprint it" will be shattered.
Also the reprints with new art look super cool!
I looked it up and all we have left over $30 for reprintable, legacy playables that don't already have a judge foil are Goyf, FOW, Show and Tell, and JTMS.
I would like them to reprint those cards in newer products too, I just don't think they will. Though I don't want to see these cards in Standard. Especially wasteland.
I think Sol Ring is one way they've shown that they're not entirely closed to the idea of reprinting older powerful cards.
Been wanting to play reanimator for a while. Might as well pick up one of these, and get the rest as singles.
And is there an exact release date on this ??
November 18th. This Friday,
As for getting the rest as singles, you might be able to find a cheap box set for about the same price as 4-5 of the bigger singles if you do some digging.
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Mountain - John Avon - 242
Forest - John Avon - 246
SAW WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT!! I might just pick up 4 on friday...mMmmMmmm
Can't wait.
Wasteland has not been reprinted for more reasons than just preserving collector's value. It is way too good for the current standard. Mana fixing is pretty bad right now, so being able to hit your opponent's 1st or second color source is crippling. You'd basically be able to create a pox/mb control variant with smallpox, wasteland, and liliana. It would also warp modern and kill Jund.
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Tectonic Edge mainly hit people's utility lands b/c you can't even activate it until they have 4 lands in play. When was the last time you saw land destruction on a 3cc mana card? hmmm....I wonder if they're ever going to print it on a 0cc mana card like Wasteland. You should think more if you think that Tectonic Edge and Wasteland are even close.
I don't think it has anything to do with price. The people who harp about the price are mainly the ones who don't have them and are biased for reprints of everything. Nothing's stopping anyone from proxying if you want to play.
This is a great Premium Series deck. If they're going to reprint cards, this is a great scale to do so. Of course, there will be complaints from cheapoes about how there aren't 4 Entombs and why this "pre-con" isn't $9.99. And even for people who are hard-liners against any reprints should check the price of foil Elspeth from Shards compared to one from the Duel Deck.
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Im excited for this, but I wonder...what would be next? No joking or trolling, im curious as to what would be a logical next step for PDS. We had Slivers, Sligh, and now Reanimator. Could we possibly see Stax or something? Not to start a tangent, but im curious as to what people think.
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicySo they haven't printed a 3cc land destruction spell since 2008.
So they haven't printed a 3cc land destruction spell that could kill a basic since 2006.
I don't think R&D is pushing any land destruction soon.
It amuses me that you don't like the art on Avatar of Woe, yet you use that art as part of your signature banner.
I presume that you don't like her extant alternate art any better?
Do you mind sharing which Swamp arts were used? I guess I'll know tomorrow, but just curious. Thanks.
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Commander:
WUBRG Sliver Army GRBUW (multiplayer)
WUG Rafiq the Exalted GUW (1-on-1 voltron)
GU Edric's Circus UG (multiplayer tokens)
B Relentless Rats B (multiplayer combo)
UB Sygg, the Punisher (in progress)BU
UBR Nicol Bolas, Elder Dragon Highlander RBU (in progress)
As am I. The bad news is we probably won't hear anything about another FTV or PDS till after DKA has released. And then it won't be released till a few months later.
A straight up control deck would be sweet, but I think it would be difficult to do since most of the best control cards are too good. It does seem like the PDS are aimed at medium skill players, with regular precons and the Vs decks at the lower end.
Whether or not WOTC thinks a control deck is something that would interest new players, is hit or miss. But at the same time, I don't think playing Graveborn effectively would be intuitive to new players, so why not a control deck?
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Currently Playing:
Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me!
Legacy:
RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R
RGBelcherRG
WSoldier StompyW
BReanimatorB
EDH:
BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB
BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
Posibilities I can think of:
Mono-U control (counter/draw)
Merfolk
storm (unlikely, but possible -- most key storm cards are non-rare)
43 lands (doubtful)
Aside form those, most tier 1 or 2 legacy decks that I can think of either rely on too many multiples of rares or on reprint listed cards.
I think warp modern is kind of overstating it. Wasteland would be played, but other than original duals and doubling up on fetches, modern's mana is basically the same as legacy/vintage. It would probably even let us unban Cloudpost and Dark Depths. It's not like nonbasic hate is anywhere near as strong in Modern. Besides, if you're worried about Jund, we could have the allied fetches back. Then, you can just go all legacy on the mana base.
As for the Pox variant in standard, I'm not really that scared of it. Sure, it might make the meta a bit faster, but the land destruction junkies deserve their day in the light at least once a decade.
I didn't say Wasteland = Tectonic Edge. All I'm saying is that it wouldn't be that oppressive to the format. For the record, I personally find land destruction to be really annoying, but people like different things.
As for 3cc land destruction, we had Fulminator Mage and Rain of Tears in the days before M10. We also got Tectonic Edge in Zendikar and when that rotated, we got Ghost Quarter back. I don't think there's ever been a time when we didn't have at least one land destruction effect at 3 mana or less in standard.
It doesn't have to be an eternal staple. Things like Armageddon and Doubling Season command high value, too.
I could see a control deck. I wouldn't expect something totally obnoxious like mono blue million counter.dec, Stax, or Stasis, but Wizards does like to cater to everyone once in a while.
I didn't say print it right this minute while Prime Time is in standard. Still, 4 Wasteland isn't going to annihilate multicolor. It'll just make people a bit less greedy under normal circumstances.