That's what your Negate and multikick counter are for
I also want to see if people can use him to make a true esper deck using Skill Borrower, though I don't thing there are enough good acivated abilities in artifacts at the moment. Manipulating the top card of your deck with the Brainstorm every turn is dangerous, we just need to break it
Pretty good card. Someone said that he would start at 30 bucks. While i do see that happening (or somewhere around 30) i don't see him staying there for very long. It is a small set and it does make him a little easier to get. I predict him staying somewhere between 15-20 bucks for the next little while after WWK comes out esspecially if we see a lot more control syle cards (this, celestial colonnade (or what ever it was called), etc.)
I think the new Jace is alright. Still not so convinced about the power level though. I mean its an OK card, but I'm not so sure if its better than the old Jace, which at least does the simple but effective 1UU - draw a card and gain a minimum of 2 life. Unless a deck is built around its abilities, the new Jace can be a cool 1 or 2 of in certain decks. A good card in terms of design, but I guess the one thing that's really stopping me from going "whoa" is that I have to fateseal 5 times IF I want to do the 4th ability.
If I'm playing some form of control deck, my 4th turn PW of choice would still be Ajani Vengeant.
This jace is going to be used best as a finisher of sorts i think. He has the option of dropping turn four, but I think its better to wait till you have some sort of control over the board. If your struggling for better cards, drop em turn 4 and brainstorm. If not, wait till you can drop him with some backup and fateseal, then you have an amazing CA engine.
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Jacerator is an aggro deck - it just wins by attacking the library, it doesn't really control the board other than to play a few Fogs
the brainstorm ability is amazing with the fetchlands making they deck manipulations even better for a format that really needs it other than cascade imo
the unsummon ability could be very good in order to give you another turn to draw the counter or wrath needed to deal with threats
the +2 ablility is also good mainly imo cause of the +2 part keeping it out of a lot of cards range by them selves
his ultimate is underrated i think even in jacerator which i wouldnt run 4 but mebe 2 making your opp put his hand as his library which will be somewhere between 4-7 cards they are likely to draw most of them the next turn with howling mines and fonts in play.
imo its not better than first jace but just as good
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Wow. Screw the ultimate, FREE BRAINSTORMS! Fantastic card, I'm admittedly shocked they made the beloved brainstorm free. That's immeasurably better than the original jace.
It's not the "instant speed draw" some people are craving, but it's mana free +1 hand size as well as sculpting if you know what you're doing, the mana it allows you to leave open ensures it doesn't matter it's sorcery speed, it's straight up +1 per turn. Also makes Ponder more useable. I'll definitely be picking up some of these. Obvious utility is obvious.
Potential drawbacks are that it's really not a very aggressive card at 4 mana like elspeth, and its protection is much weaker than elspeths, but also allows it to futz with CIP creatures on your side of the board. It's excellent draw, probably #2 after BBE in standard, and the +2 ability allows it to soak up a lot of damage if your opponent decides to devote the energy to kill it.
Excellent card overall, although the + ability is quite weak, and after the first time just to get it out of bolt range people will not use it.
Also, that's 2 EST? Hm.... maybe they hid it too well.
Oh yeah, I forgot. LoL, I'm already in christmas break mode lol. Nothing you said though changes my points, thursday is still an obscure day to be closed and seds still said it'd be open today at 2. And when I say two I mean he said in 45 minutes, around 75 minutes ago.
Oh yeah, I forgot. LoL, I'm already in christmas break mode lol. Nothing you said though changes my points, thursday is still an obscure day to be closed and seds still said it'd be open today at 2. And when I say two I mean he said in 45 minutes, around 75 minutes ago.
I was being sarcastic about them being closed.
But apparently they need to get a camera over to the shop.
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That's what your Negate and multikick counter are for
I also want to see if people can use him to make a true esper deck using Skill Borrower, though I don't thing there are enough good acivated abilities in artifacts at the moment. Manipulating the top card of your deck with the Brainstorm every turn is dangerous, we just need to break it
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His ultimate is amazing. If you get it off, you win, unlike the other Jace.
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Yeah, but you'd have to drop it on turn 6 to be able to do that. D:
In a control deck, what's wrong with that?
Please try for me?
I like this Jace though; I just don't like the 4 abilities. Is this to stay?
Well, I just thought dropping it on turn 4 to start Brainstorming earlier would be much more favorable.
Why don't you like the 4 abilities? It makes him amazing. It opens a wider range of possibilities for Planeswalkers.
Well, if you can, it'd be good to do it then, but if you're relying on him for a finisher, I'd drop him with some protection.
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If I'm playing some form of control deck, my 4th turn PW of choice would still be Ajani Vengeant.
It's Thursday, isn't it? o.O
Also, that's 2 EST? Hm.... maybe they hid it too well.
the unsummon ability could be very good in order to give you another turn to draw the counter or wrath needed to deal with threats
the +2 ablility is also good mainly imo cause of the +2 part keeping it out of a lot of cards range by them selves
his ultimate is underrated i think even in jacerator which i wouldnt run 4 but mebe 2 making your opp put his hand as his library which will be somewhere between 4-7 cards they are likely to draw most of them the next turn with howling mines and fonts in play.
imo its not better than first jace but just as good
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It's not the "instant speed draw" some people are craving, but it's mana free +1 hand size as well as sculpting if you know what you're doing, the mana it allows you to leave open ensures it doesn't matter it's sorcery speed, it's straight up +1 per turn. Also makes Ponder more useable. I'll definitely be picking up some of these. Obvious utility is obvious.
Potential drawbacks are that it's really not a very aggressive card at 4 mana like elspeth, and its protection is much weaker than elspeths, but also allows it to futz with CIP creatures on your side of the board. It's excellent draw, probably #2 after BBE in standard, and the +2 ability allows it to soak up a lot of damage if your opponent decides to devote the energy to kill it.
Excellent card overall, although the + ability is quite weak, and after the first time just to get it out of bolt range people will not use it.
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I was being sarcastic about them being closed.
But apparently they need to get a camera over to the shop.