I don't believe that bolded part is correct. The "attacks if able" requirement only applies during the declare attackers step. Nothing prevents you from taking actions before that to put creatures in a position that leaves them unable to attack.
Missed this on my first read through. Chipper is correct: If you tap the creature before the combat step, it won't be able to attack and therefore won't. Nothing is stopping you from using a tap ability before combat.
Creatures with multiple attack requirements have to fulfull as many as possible, at their controller's choosing.
508.1d The active player checks each creature he or she controls to see whether it's affected by any requirements (effects that say a creature must attack, or that it must attack if some condition is met). If the number of requirements that are being obeyed is fewer than the maximum possible number of requirements that could be obeyed without disobeying any restrictions, the declaration of attackers is illegal. Tapped creatures and creatures with unpaid costs to attack are exempt from effects that would require them to attack.
I put in KP's response in my own words. Let me know if it's erroneous somehow, since I want to make sure that I'm perfectly clear on this myself. (NO REASON WHATSOEVER... >_> <_<)
Also, I believe that if you have a Confiscate war with him (a round robin of steal-+2 shenanigans with maybe some enchantment removal thrown in) it basically means the creatures go after who currently controls it, right?
I put in KP's response in my own words. Let me know if it's erroneous somehow, since I want to make sure that I'm perfectly clear on this myself. (NO REASON WHATSOEVER... >_> <_<)
Also, I believe that if you have a Confiscate war with him (a round robin of steal-+2 shenanigans with maybe some enchantment removal thrown in) it basically means the creatures go after who currently controls it, right?
Well, they still go after him regardless of the controller, yes.
Edit: Unless the affected player gains control of Gideon, in which case the creatures wouldn't be able to attack him and would be free to attack whoever they felt like.
Forgive me if this has been answered before, but if he's Pulsed/O-Ringed/whatever during your opponent's main phase 1 (after using Group Hug), your opponent is free to attack you, correct?
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...so, at the very least, can Experiment Kraj become a 6/6 Human Soldier with damage-prevention, too?
Also, I'm correct in assuming that if Gideon is a creature-form, and you have Teferi out, you can flash in a Clone and have the Planeswalker rule do the rest?
If creatures are attacking Gideon, is there still a "defending player"? In other words, does annihilator trigger or not?
Yes, there is a defending player and annihilator still triggers.
506.2. During the combat phase, the active player is the attacking player; creatures that player controls may attack. During the combat phase of a two-player game, the nonactive player is the defending player; that player and planeswalkers he or she controls may be attacked.
...so, at the very least, can Experiment Kraj become a 6/6 Human Soldier with damage-prevention, too?
Also, I'm correct in assuming that if Gideon is a creature-form, and you have Teferi out, you can flash in a Clone and have the Planeswalker rule do the rest?
When Gideon's ultimate is activated, is he immune to damage both as a creature and as a planeswalker?
There's no distinction between types of permanents when taking damage. Just, when damage is marked on a planeswalker, it also has the effect of removing loyalty counters.
There's no distinction between types of permanents when taking damage. Just, when damage is marked on a planeswalker, it also has the effect of removing loyalty counters.
So if a opponent fires a Lightning Bolt at the player and chooses to damage Gideon while his ultimate is activated, he's wasting his card?
Gideon's 0 ability is activated and is a 6/6 creature with 6 damage on it.
Oh, completely forgot about the fact that he's a 6/6 Sorry. Thought that sentence implied that a 6/6 Gideon with 6 loyal counters on it would die of a Lightning Bolt (3 damage, 3 loyalty counters = dead). But now I see.
So lets say Gideon is a creature and has Whispersilk Cloak equiped to it. Can I still play Unstable Footing and target my opponent redirecting the damage to Gideon?
So lets say Gideon is a creature and has Whispersilk Cloak equiped to it. Can I still play Unstable Footing and target my opponent redirecting the damage to Gideon?
Yes. When redirecting noncombat damage to a planeswalker that planeswalker is not targeted.
OK, daft situation, but if I have a staying power and Gideon, activate the +0, then the +2 on subsequent turns, on the oppenents turn all his/her creatures attack Gideon and no damage is dealt to him (& no loyalty removed) but he can still block them himself?
Just clarifying (although I know it's Silverbordered land...)
Yup. He's a creature you control and may be assigned to block one of the attacking creatures despite that creature attacking him*. Strange.
* Barring any rules changes such as, "A planeswalker that's also a creature can't block."
Gideon's 0-ability can be activated only during his controller's turn, and the effect lasts only until the cleanup step of that same turn. Consequently, Gideon will never be a creature at a time when he or his controller can be attacked; at least, not using the effect of his own ability.
I'm seeing quite a few questions (and misconceptions) elsewhere regarding Clone and similar things with a Gideon after his third ability's been activated. Maybe it makes sense to add notes on that interaction? In particular, that Clone, Rite of Replication, etc. would create a non-creature Planeswalker that was a copy of Gideon and would enter the battlefield with 6 counters - and promptly die to the Planeswalker rule if the other Gideon was still around. I think the only case where the token lives is for Nemesis Trap's copy, because the original is gone by then.
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Missed this on my first read through. Chipper is correct: If you tap the creature before the combat step, it won't be able to attack and therefore won't. Nothing is stopping you from using a tap ability before combat.
"If the creature has no tap abilities or what have you." as a reason for it NOT being able to avoid combat.
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Also, I believe that if you have a Confiscate war with him (a round robin of steal-+2 shenanigans with maybe some enchantment removal thrown in) it basically means the creatures go after who currently controls it, right?
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Well, they still go after him regardless of the controller, yes.
Edit: Unless the affected player gains control of Gideon, in which case the creatures wouldn't be able to attack him and would be free to attack whoever they felt like.
Also, I'm correct in assuming that if Gideon is a creature-form, and you have Teferi out, you can flash in a Clone and have the Planeswalker rule do the rest?
If he should have 7+ loyalty counters and takes 6 damage, he loses the 6 counters (keeps 1), and is destroyed for lethal damage.
This seems weird. Can the op explain?
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Gideon's 0 ability is activated and is a 6/6 creature with 6 damage on it.
Yes, there is a defending player and annihilator still triggers.
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Yeah cause that makes sense.
This game just gets weirder and weirder.
There's no distinction between types of permanents when taking damage. Just, when damage is marked on a planeswalker, it also has the effect of removing loyalty counters.
So if a opponent fires a Lightning Bolt at the player and chooses to damage Gideon while his ultimate is activated, he's wasting his card?
Oh, completely forgot about the fact that he's a 6/6 Sorry. Thought that sentence implied that a 6/6 Gideon with 6 loyal counters on it would die of a Lightning Bolt (3 damage, 3 loyalty counters = dead). But now I see.
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Yes. When redirecting noncombat damage to a planeswalker that planeswalker is not targeted.
Yup. He's a creature you control and may be assigned to block one of the attacking creatures despite that creature attacking him*. Strange.
* Barring any rules changes such as, "A planeswalker that's also a creature can't block."
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Bounce's example has a March of the Machines and a Mycosynth Lattice in it, making Gideon a 5/5 even if he hadn't activated his ability.