Unconfirmed split cards for Amonkhet... whoa such ugly formatting. I can see my opponent at pre-release tilting their head sideways to telegraph they're reading the bottom half.
Anyone like it?
Different is fine, but different doesn't mean good. Really minimizes the art too. Part of the game is pretty cards right?
One of my first thoughts when I saw the card was that it reminded me somewhat of hieroglyphics, as in you first see it and it's rather bamboozling but then you switch it around a bit and decipher it and then it begins to make sense. Anybody else get this impression/does this make sense to anyone?
I think the frame is pretty cool, but I'm a sucker for every gimmick Wizards throws at us.
I hope they all suck so I don't have to deal with this nonsense in Modern/EDH. The RTR block split cards are the only ones that I don't dislike the person who pitched the idea. The Kamigawa ones are bad, and I know that I am basically slone, I think the idea was very cool, but I HATE INN style flip cards. Delver and Thing in the Ice are admittedly cards I play, but I don't like the design one bit
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I hope they all suck so I don't have to deal with this nonsense in Modern/EDH. The RTR block split cards are the only ones that I don't dislike the person who pitched the idea. The Kamigawa ones are bad, and I know that I am basically slone, I think the idea was very cool, but I HATE INN style flip cards. Delver and Thing in the Ice are admittedly cards I play, but I don't like the design one bit
I like this style if the formatting is consistent, and Aftermath always shows up on the tilted side.
I only see every reason to support this is how it will work. I agree with this sentiment as well. They aren't the prettiest looking cards but they are fine to me, and the functionality is better for it, which is more important I think.
yeah, but the creatures it misses often badly need hitting if it were unconditional or....oh Urza, it's not instant is it? Translate just comes up with 'spell' it would be great and irritating at instant, but that would be brutal power creep
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Why all the hate on the frame? It isn't what we are used to, but ti makes mechanical and practical sense. I think it is a very elegant way to solve the problem by fixing 2 problems with 1 idea. Problem A being formatting the card in general so you can cast 2 different spells, only 1 being out of the grave without having a wall of text; Problem B being ease of seeing it in your graveyard for both you and your opponent.
The only problem i foresee is how currently some players (myself included) put a card sideways under their graveyard to indicate the exile pile. This is a minor thing, but some people actively resist change and worse, some may use it as an avenue to cheat.
Why all the hate on the frame? It isn't what we are used to, but ti makes mechanical and practical sense. I think it is a very elegant way to solve the problem by fixing 2 problems with 1 idea. Problem A being formatting the card in general so you can cast 2 different spells, only 1 being out of the grave without having a wall of text; Problem B being ease of seeing it in your graveyard for both you and your opponent.
The only problem i foresee is how currently some players (myself included) put a card sideways under their graveyard to indicate the exile pile. This is a minor thing, but some people actively resist change and worse, some may use it as an avenue to cheat.
Thing is they could have achieved the same thing by using a regular split card and having no mana cost in the half they wanted gravecast only and put the cost and cast restriction in the keyword.
Putting a casting cost in the gravecast only part is just going to annoy experienced play since we are trained to know you can cast either side of a split card so their fighting our normal understanding of split cards. And new players and anyone who hasn't used split cards before are going to get feel bad moments when they see the casting cost on the gravecast only side and go to cast it from their hand only to find out that they can't.
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Why all the hate on the frame? It isn't what we are used to, but ti makes mechanical and practical sense. I think it is a very elegant way to solve the problem by fixing 2 problems with 1 idea. Problem A being formatting the card in general so you can cast 2 different spells, only 1 being out of the grave without having a wall of text; Problem B being ease of seeing it in your graveyard for both you and your opponent.
The only problem i foresee is how currently some players (myself included) put a card sideways under their graveyard to indicate the exile pile. This is a minor thing, but some people actively resist change and worse, some may use it as an avenue to cheat.
Thing is they could have achieved the same thing by using a regular split card and having no mana cost in the half they wanted gravecast only and put the cost and cast restriction in the keyword.
Putting a casting cost in the gravecast only part is just going to annoy experienced play since we are trained to know you can cast either side of a split card so their fighting our normal understanding of split cards. And new players and anyone who hasn't used split cards before are going to get feel bad moments when they see the casting cost on the gravecast only side and go to cast it from their hand only to find out that they can't.
I don't understand any of this. Why would a new player look at a card, see a different orientation to a second spell, and assume they can cast it from their hand when it's gravecast only. The whole fact that the orientation is different is a huge siren saying "I AM DIFFERENT."
Same for more experienced players. Normal split cards don't have the two different orientations. So why assume this card is the same?
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Quoting myself from the main thread for Dusk/Dawn:
"But the design itself... I get vertigo looking at it. It's like an optical illusion - are the pillars on the left and the pillars on the right completely vertical, or do they lean? Lol... Wondering what other design layouts were explored? Was this really the best idea of their brainstorms. Yeah, I get it; they wanted something to stand out from other designs, like flip cards, DFC's, split cards, etc...
Why all the hate on the frame? It isn't what we are used to, but ti makes mechanical and practical sense. I think it is a very elegant way to solve the problem by fixing 2 problems with 1 idea. Problem A being formatting the card in general so you can cast 2 different spells, only 1 being out of the grave without having a wall of text; Problem B being ease of seeing it in your graveyard for both you and your opponent.
The only problem i foresee is how currently some players (myself included) put a card sideways under their graveyard to indicate the exile pile. This is a minor thing, but some people actively resist change and worse, some may use it as an avenue to cheat.
Thing is they could have achieved the same thing by using a regular split card and having no mana cost in the half they wanted gravecast only and put the cost and cast restriction in the keyword.
Putting a casting cost in the gravecast only part is just going to annoy experienced play since we are trained to know you can cast either side of a split card so their fighting our normal understanding of split cards. And new players and anyone who hasn't used split cards before are going to get feel bad moments when they see the casting cost on the gravecast only side and go to cast it from their hand only to find out that they can't.
Holy *****, no. That'd be abysmal and cause dramatically more problems. Having them not be visually distinct from regular split cards would be a big problem, it needs to be obvious they function differently. Having one side have the "proper" orientation quickly establishes it as the "main" side of the card. (And also accomodates for slightly larger art)
Giving it pseudo-flashback has a lot of problems, including that there would be the question of why not use actual flashback. (The answer to which being that it'd be a nightmare for judges and unaware players) also, giving it no cost and moving it down is gaudy as hell when putting casting costs in the casting cost section is intuitive. There's also the issue that these are coming a set after expertises, and not having a graveyard casting restriction intensifies the normal split card/expertise problems as well as bringing it to standard.
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My guess is that they tried the traditional split card frame and found in playtesting that people consistently forgot about the gravecast half of the card once it got buried in the graveyard. I bet when the actual preview article goes up they will explain this was how this version ended up being the best way to execute the idea.
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This is function over form, a philosophy that can be good in small doses. Like Elder said, it's to be put sideways in the graveyard so that the grave-cast side can be read. It's actually a pretty sweet card if you check the translation.
wow this formatting is awful. makes kamigawa flip cards look like a masterclass in card design. i made this alternate version in literally five minutes.
the flashback tombstone icon was meant to help players remember which cards they could cast from their graveyards and i'm pretty sure everybody hated that. (i actually didn't hate that)
I'm not sure I believe the design helps more people than it harms, either. I wouldn't be able to see the sideways thing in my graveyard. I stack my graveyard vertically so I can read the names of the cards at a glance.
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Anyone like it?
Different is fine, but different doesn't mean good. Really minimizes the art too. Part of the game is pretty cards right?
I think the frame is pretty cool, but I'm a sucker for every gimmick Wizards throws at us.
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I only see every reason to support this is how it will work. I agree with this sentiment as well. They aren't the prettiest looking cards but they are fine to me, and the functionality is better for it, which is more important I think.
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Art is life itself.
The only problem i foresee is how currently some players (myself included) put a card sideways under their graveyard to indicate the exile pile. This is a minor thing, but some people actively resist change and worse, some may use it as an avenue to cheat.
Thing is they could have achieved the same thing by using a regular split card and having no mana cost in the half they wanted gravecast only and put the cost and cast restriction in the keyword.
Putting a casting cost in the gravecast only part is just going to annoy experienced play since we are trained to know you can cast either side of a split card so their fighting our normal understanding of split cards. And new players and anyone who hasn't used split cards before are going to get feel bad moments when they see the casting cost on the gravecast only side and go to cast it from their hand only to find out that they can't.
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I don't understand any of this. Why would a new player look at a card, see a different orientation to a second spell, and assume they can cast it from their hand when it's gravecast only. The whole fact that the orientation is different is a huge siren saying "I AM DIFFERENT."
Same for more experienced players. Normal split cards don't have the two different orientations. So why assume this card is the same?
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"But the design itself... I get vertigo looking at it. It's like an optical illusion - are the pillars on the left and the pillars on the right completely vertical, or do they lean? Lol... Wondering what other design layouts were explored? Was this really the best idea of their brainstorms. Yeah, I get it; they wanted something to stand out from other designs, like flip cards, DFC's, split cards, etc...
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Holy *****, no. That'd be abysmal and cause dramatically more problems. Having them not be visually distinct from regular split cards would be a big problem, it needs to be obvious they function differently. Having one side have the "proper" orientation quickly establishes it as the "main" side of the card. (And also accomodates for slightly larger art)
Giving it pseudo-flashback has a lot of problems, including that there would be the question of why not use actual flashback. (The answer to which being that it'd be a nightmare for judges and unaware players) also, giving it no cost and moving it down is gaudy as hell when putting casting costs in the casting cost section is intuitive. There's also the issue that these are coming a set after expertises, and not having a graveyard casting restriction intensifies the normal split card/expertise problems as well as bringing it to standard.
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And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)
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the flashback tombstone icon was meant to help players remember which cards they could cast from their graveyards and i'm pretty sure everybody hated that. (i actually didn't hate that)
I'm not sure I believe the design helps more people than it harms, either. I wouldn't be able to see the sideways thing in my graveyard. I stack my graveyard vertically so I can read the names of the cards at a glance.