Curse of the Swine
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Sorcery Rare
Exile X target creatures. For each creature exiled this way, its controller puts a 2/2 green Boar creature token onto the battlefield.
This is an absolute all-star for blue EDH decks...fries pesky Eldrazi and anything else that's a little unmanageable. Too bad Pyroclasm isn't a thing right now in Standard
In my opinion the most powerful spell in the set so far next to the Cerberus that brings back creatures.
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It’s like the universe screams in your face, “Do you know what I am? How grand I am? How old I am? Can you even comprehend what I am? What are you, compared to me?” And when you know enough science, you can just smile up at the universe and reply, “Dude, I am you.”
This card is a sick removal. After the initial shock, it doesn't seem overly OP'ered, but damn this card has great potential to see broad play in different decks in Standard. I'm not entirely sold for Modern and I don't think it'll do much in Legacy.
However Exile with a considerably tiny disadvantage and indeed here we have an answer to gods (once they get devoted enough).
This card is pretty amazing really, granted Supreme verdict is pretty much way better in every way in straight up control, but if you have any kind of board presence this is a more functional Plague Wind, especially if you've got something like a boros reckoner or a ratchet bomb on your field
It is, people just like to complain when Wizard's decides to stop ****ting on blue.
Anyways, Mass Baconization is by far my favorite removal spell ever now and I need a foil for my EDH deck. Thing is replacing Ashes to Ashes like no one's business.
This card is a sick removal. After the initial shock, it doesn't seem overly OP'ered, but damn this card has great potential to see broad play in different decks in Standard. I'm not entirely sold for Modern and I don't think it'll do much in Legacy.
However Exile with a considerably tiny disadvantage and indeed here we have an answer to gods (once they get devoted enough).
Gods require devotion. Playing the myriad of better removal spells deals with the Gods. I honestly don't think Nylea is playable anyways, and Thassa will almost never be a creature.
Gods require devotion. Playing the myriad of better removal spells deals with the Gods. I honestly don't think Nylea is playable anyways, and Thassa will almost never be a creature.
Thassa is better when she isn't a creature anyways.
It is as blue as mass damage is black. Yes, blue transforms others. And yes, black can deal direct damage. It's just that doing them in mass has never been done before. Corpse Lunge is fine as a black card, but is a black Pyroclasm variant fine?
It is as blue as mass damage is black. Yes, blue transforms others. And yes, black can deal direct damage. It's just that doing them in mass has never been done before. Corpse Lunge is fine as a black card, but is a black Pyroclasm variant fine?
I agree, Pyroclasm is not black. But, a spell like
Unholy winds XBB
Sorcery
deal 2 damage to X target creatures
is perfectly within Black's color pie. Black gets targeted damage to creatures. That's all unholy winds is. Curse of the swine is targeted transformation. It's just a big expensive rapid hybridization. It's fine in blue.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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^ Black Pyroclasm... or as close as it gets. Don't understand why people think this is out of Blue's pie... Rapid Hybridization en mass shouldn't be that much of a stretch.
I think it's a great card, a one sided 'handle annoying dudes' while not being too absurd in a control deck... Or just run this along side a set of Staticasters........
card is disgusting, I don't know how they can print something like that. It basically forces you to play aggro or you just can't play the bigger-better stuff...
^ Black Pyroclasm... or as close as it gets. Don't understand why people think this is out of Blue's pie... Rapid Hybridization en mass shouldn't be that much of a stretch.
I think it's a great card, a one sided 'handle annoying dudes' while not being too absurd in a control deck... Or just run this along side a set of Staticasters........
For me the issue is that it's permanent, I get that polymorphing is totally in flavour for Blue but still
I think that stuff like this and Rapid Hybridization should be auras: that way there are still ways for the creature to get turned back to normal
As is, it's basically a kill spell and even if it's flavoured appropriately, Blue shouldn't get awesome kill spells; I don't care that the opponent still gets a 2/2 or whatnot, you're still allowing Blue to outright kill something. The fact that it leaves behind something doesn't make it right in my mind.
card is disgusting, I don't know how they can print something like that. It basically forces you to play aggro or you just can't play the bigger-better stuff...
The bigger and better stuff can have hexproof, pro blue, you can blink then, you can return than to your hand, you can counter mass baconization, you can equip you pig and make it goes beast, you can have sideboards.
It's just a removal spell, magic has loads of then.
Flavor justifications are complete trash, just like this card.
99% of the mechanics in the game could be "flavorfully" justified in Blue (or any color, really)...that doesn't mean it's good for the game to use this "top-down" design to bend the color pie, a cornerstone of Magic, because LOLFLAVOR!!!! It's especially harmful when, traditionally, the color with the best slice of mechanics receives other color's mechanics in powerful packages based on "flavor" justification (see: Pongify, Delver, V. Clique, Snapcaster, Spin into Myth) while the others are stuck with crap.
Like Blue in EDH really needed such an excellent mass removal spell...time to run Boiling Seas in addition to regular, old Boil.
These effects have been in blue's color pie since visions, no other color has this effect save for green getting Beast Within, which MaRo has stated should have been blue because it is in blue's slice of the pie.
This card is not toally out of blue's pie, it's just stretching it to the degree that many people don't feel comfortable. That, in itself, could be both a good thing and a bad thing.
These effects have been in blue's color pie since visions, no other color has this effect save for green getting Beast Within, which MaRo has stated should have been blue because it is in blue's slice of the pie.
I get that Blue has domain over "Polymorphing", or the Magic of changing thing's shapes. The problem is, the flavor is taken too far; it gives Blue something it shouldn't have.
You can justify a lot via the flavor of Polymorphing or changing a thing's shape. Here's some examples:
-A Blue spell that messes with the shape of something's essential parts in real time and becomes "Destroy target creature". Perfectly flavorful, and since it allows regeneration it shows that critters with strong constitution (i.e. can regenerate) can resist it. MOAR FLAVORFUL GOODNESS!
-A Blue spell that pumps or adds +1/+1 counters. Why not? Blue can Polymorph a dude, why not slightly modify him to be more effective? Maybe it accelerates keratin development...ooh! sounds Sciency, and thus even more Blue.
-Or how about a Polymorphing magic that exiles Artifacts/Lands/Enchantments and replaces them with a less threatening version. Hey, thats polymorphing/alteration magic as well, so it's good in Blue, right?
The point I'm trying to make is that flavor and top-down design need to have mechanical limits. Wizards broke one with this card. It's bad design.
This is better than 99% of white, black or red removal in EDH. It's a ****ing stupid card.
In EDH this basically a cheap Plague Wind that scales as much as you want. It also single handedly removes the only weakness blue has in EDH (and it isn't much), which is dealing with a bunch of creatures.
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Sorcery Rare
Exile X target creatures. For each creature exiled this way, its controller puts a 2/2 green Boar creature token onto the battlefield.
This is an absolute all-star for blue EDH decks...fries pesky Eldrazi and anything else that's a little unmanageable. Too bad Pyroclasm isn't a thing right now in Standard
EDH
BU LazavUB
GU Momir VigUG
I stepped out of a supernova...and so did you.
No. Thoughtseize > Cerb > Thassa > Magma Jet > Destructive Revelry. It's not even top 5 and we've barely spoiled anything.
I would agree this card is the NUTS if it's real. In EDH, that is.
However Exile with a considerably tiny disadvantage and indeed here we have an answer to gods (once they get devoted enough).
It is, people just like to complain when Wizard's decides to stop ****ting on blue.
Anyways, Mass Baconization is by far my favorite removal spell ever now and I need a foil for my EDH deck. Thing is replacing Ashes to Ashes like no one's business.
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-Retired Decks-
UBLazav, Dimir Mastermind (Competitive, UB Voltron/Control)UB
"Knowledge is such a burden. Release it. Release all your fears to me."
—Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
Gods require devotion. Playing the myriad of better removal spells deals with the Gods. I honestly don't think Nylea is playable anyways, and Thassa will almost never be a creature.
Thassa is better when she isn't a creature anyways.
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"Knowledge is such a burden. Release it. Release all your fears to me."
—Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
I agree, Pyroclasm is not black. But, a spell like
Unholy winds XBB
Sorcery
deal 2 damage to X target creatures
is perfectly within Black's color pie. Black gets targeted damage to creatures. That's all unholy winds is. Curse of the swine is targeted transformation. It's just a big expensive rapid hybridization. It's fine in blue.
- Manite
^ Black Pyroclasm... or as close as it gets. Don't understand why people think this is out of Blue's pie... Rapid Hybridization en mass shouldn't be that much of a stretch.
I think it's a great card, a one sided 'handle annoying dudes' while not being too absurd in a control deck... Or just run this along side a set of Staticasters........
For me the issue is that it's permanent, I get that polymorphing is totally in flavour for Blue but still
I think that stuff like this and Rapid Hybridization should be auras: that way there are still ways for the creature to get turned back to normal
As is, it's basically a kill spell and even if it's flavoured appropriately, Blue shouldn't get awesome kill spells; I don't care that the opponent still gets a 2/2 or whatnot, you're still allowing Blue to outright kill something. The fact that it leaves behind something doesn't make it right in my mind.
The bigger and better stuff can have hexproof, pro blue, you can blink then, you can return than to your hand, you can counter mass baconization, you can equip you pig and make it goes beast, you can have sideboards.
It's just a removal spell, magic has loads of then.
99% of the mechanics in the game could be "flavorfully" justified in Blue (or any color, really)...that doesn't mean it's good for the game to use this "top-down" design to bend the color pie, a cornerstone of Magic, because LOLFLAVOR!!!! It's especially harmful when, traditionally, the color with the best slice of mechanics receives other color's mechanics in powerful packages based on "flavor" justification (see: Pongify, Delver, V. Clique, Snapcaster, Spin into Myth) while the others are stuck with crap.
Like Blue in EDH really needed such an excellent mass removal spell...time to run Boiling Seas in addition to regular, old Boil.
Thanks Wizards!
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-Retired Decks-
UBLazav, Dimir Mastermind (Competitive, UB Voltron/Control)UB
"Knowledge is such a burden. Release it. Release all your fears to me."
—Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
I get that Blue has domain over "Polymorphing", or the Magic of changing thing's shapes. The problem is, the flavor is taken too far; it gives Blue something it shouldn't have.
You can justify a lot via the flavor of Polymorphing or changing a thing's shape. Here's some examples:
-A Blue spell that messes with the shape of something's essential parts in real time and becomes "Destroy target creature". Perfectly flavorful, and since it allows regeneration it shows that critters with strong constitution (i.e. can regenerate) can resist it. MOAR FLAVORFUL GOODNESS!
-A Blue spell that pumps or adds +1/+1 counters. Why not? Blue can Polymorph a dude, why not slightly modify him to be more effective? Maybe it accelerates keratin development...ooh! sounds Sciency, and thus even more Blue.
-Or how about a Polymorphing magic that exiles Artifacts/Lands/Enchantments and replaces them with a less threatening version. Hey, thats polymorphing/alteration magic as well, so it's good in Blue, right?
The point I'm trying to make is that flavor and top-down design need to have mechanical limits. Wizards broke one with this card. It's bad design.
In EDH this basically a cheap Plague Wind that scales as much as you want. It also single handedly removes the only weakness blue has in EDH (and it isn't much), which is dealing with a bunch of creatures.
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