So, Mark Rosewater have already stated that every large set nowadays have a common card that is actually less common than a common card, almost the rarity of an uncommon card. He also said that we can easily figure out which one is the less common card if we open lots of packs and compare the commons.
I think this will be an useful information for drafting, so how about we open lots of packs and list the common cards we opened? I think that a little more than 100 packs will be enough.
I will keep track of the thread and update this post with the contents of your packs.
Are you up to it?
That is a bit embarassing, its still astonishing I've opened 4 times as many abrupt decays 2 armada wurms 2 angel of serenity 3 lotleth trolls 2 vraskas 2 isperias 3 archon of the triumvirate 5 collective blessings ... 1 arrest. LOL wrong thread though.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
That's the problem with this method. There's too much noise from random variance to find the answer this way.
Yeah, I was hoping to get all the contents of the packs, so we could slowly sum them up and see that one common was showing up less often than the others, but like this it is not going to work.
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Yeah, I was hoping to get all the contents of the packs, so we could slowly sum them up and see that one common was showing up less often than the others, but like this it is not going to work.
It's still quite doable. We just need the exact contents (in order) of enough packs to figure out enough of the common runs to get our answer.
I've opened about 60 packs so far between sealed events and store credit I've used from my LGS and i've got another 4 boxes and 1 FP coming this friday from CFB once I've got it all sorted I'll post my numbers.
I've opened about 60 packs so far between sealed events and store credit I've used from my LGS and i've got another 4 boxes and 1 FP coming this friday from CFB once I've got it all sorted I'll post my numbers.
If you could post raw pack contents (in order) rather than sorted data that would help a lot more.
I wish I had a less contaminated print run to go by, but I can offer the sorted contents of almost 6 boxes worth.
I can say for sure some boxes were short certain cards (Hussar Patrol, Azorious Guildgate come to mind), but looking the variance after sorting multiple boxes, it evened out fairly well.
Well I opened about 15 packs so far and I have only pulled one grisly salvage. Then again I think my sample size is too small since I haven't pulled a charm or a guildmage yet.
Validation! I've been saying this for years, but there was always some doubt from people who couldn't follow my processes.
As someone who does the print runs (although, I'm stuck using MODO packs this time around), it's actually very easy to figure the short print out. It's always colorless, and not part of a cycle. Most sets only have one option. Also, the ratio is 5:6. not exactly "almost as rare as an uncommon".
I felt a great disturbance in the force, like a thousand decks across several formats suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has been printed
That, ladies and gentlemen, are all the non foil commons that appeared in my box, and in the order they appeared. I hope this helps, and I apologize for any spelling errors...I did all this on lack of sleep.
I felt a great disturbance in the force, like a thousand decks across several formats suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has been printed
I agree with arrest. I've opened 3 pre-release boxes, a full box, a fat pack, and probably 20 or so packs. And I only have ONE arrest. I have about 20 transguild pramanades, I get a grisly salvage in nearly every 6 packs and I don't think Ive seen less than 2 of any other commons.
Or maybe it's the assassin token. Ive only seen 2 of those. And I've only seen 2 other people get one. Technically it IS a common. Same with the tamiyo emblem. All the packs I've opened of avacyn, I've only gotten ONE emblem. And never seen anyone else pull one around me.
I agree with arrest. I've opened 3 pre-release boxes, a full box, a fat pack, and probably 20 or so packs. And I only have ONE arrest. I have about 20 transguild pramanades, I get a grisly salvage in nearly every 6 packs and I don't think Ive seen less than 2 of any other commons.
Or maybe it's the assassin token. Ive only seen 2 of those. And I've only seen 2 other people get one. Technically it IS a common. Same with the tamiyo emblem. All the packs I've opened of avacyn, I've only gotten ONE emblem. And never seen anyone else pull one around me.
Tokens are printed on their own sheet. They have nothing to do with the commons. Also, even though they all have the black expansion symbol, they do have different rarities. The entire sheet is 121 cards. Tokens made only by Mythics are on the sheet once. Tokens made by Rares are on twice. Tokens made by several of cards might be on the sheet 10 times. Further complicating the issue, the ads on the back aren't always the same, or always different. So a Knight token might be on the sheet 10 times, but have 6 different possible backs, some combinations more common than others.
awesome, thank you. I love working these things out, but I'm relying on the interwebs for the data this time. generally it takes 3 boxes to get the three easy runs done, plus a few specific packs to finish up the most difficult run.
If anyone else reading this is opening packs in the next two weeks, please post the commons in order, or take a picture for me (and all the drafters out there that use this information) thanks much =)
I think this will be an useful information for drafting, so how about we open lots of packs and list the common cards we opened? I think that a little more than 100 packs will be enough.
I will keep track of the thread and update this post with the contents of your packs.
Are you up to it?
2 Armory Guard - 23
4 Avenging Arrow - 19
5 Azorius Arrester - 20
8 Concordia Pegasus - 19
9 Ethereal Armor - 23
10 Eyes in the Skies - 25
12 Keening Apparition - 16
13 Knightly Valor - 24
19 Rootborn Defenses - 22
21 Selesnya Sentry - 22
22 Seller of Songbirds - 20
25 Sunspire Griffin - 20
26 Swift Justice - 21
27 Trained Caracal - 18
28 Trostani's Judgment - 16
31 Cancel - 17
32 Chronic Flooding - 19
34 Crosstown Courier - 21
36 Dispel - 17
37 Doorkeeper - 24
38 Downsize - 24
41 Inaction Injunction - 18
42 Inspiration - 21
43 Isperia's Skywatch - 19
45 Mizzium Skin - 24
46 Paralyzing Grasp - 23
48 Runewing - 21
53 Stealer of Secrets - 24
55 Tower Drake - 19
56 Voidwielder - 22
58 Catacomb Slug - 24
59 Cremate - 22
60 Daggerdrome Imp - 24
62 Dead Reveler - 22
64 Destroy the Evidence - 15
65 Deviant Glee - 18
66 Drainpipe Vermin - 20
68 Grim Roustabout - 22
69 Launch Party - 21
70 Mind Rot - 20
72 Ogre Jailbreaker - 19
74 Perilous Shadow - 18
75 Sewer Shambler - 20
78 Stab Wound - 22
80 Terrus Wurm - 24
85 Annihilating Fire - 20
87 Batterhorn - 20
88 Bellows Lizard - 19
91 Cobblebrute - 21
92 Dynacharge - 23
93 Electrickery - 22
94 Explosive Impact - 20
96 Gore-House Chainwalker - 21
99 Lobber Crew - 19
102 Pursuit of Flight - 16
105 Splatter Thug - 26
107 Survey the Wreckage - 21
108 Tenement Crasher - 16
109 Traitorous Instinct - 24
112 Viashino Racketeer - 20
113 Aerial Predation - 25
115 Axebane Guardian - 23
116 Axebane Stag - 21
118 Centaur's Herald - 22
119 Chorus of Might - 24
122 Drudge Beetle - 20
123 Druid's Deliverance - 23
124 Gatecreeper Vine - 23
125 Giant Growth - 19
128 Horncaller's Chant - 15
129 Korozda Monitor - 15
132 Rubbleback Rhino - 21
136 Stonefare Crocodile - 19
137 Towering Indrik - 26
138 Urban Burgeoning - 20
144 Auger Spree - 19
148 Centaur Healer - 19
149 Chemister's Trick - 21
151 Common Bond - 22
154 Coursers' Accord - 19
156 Dramatic Rescue - 18
160 Essence Backlash - 23
163 Goblin Electromancer - 23
165 Grisly Salvage - 18
169 Hussar Patrol - 18
193 Search Warrant - 18
195 Skull Rend - 19
198 Sluiceway Scorpion - 20
199 Spawn of Rix Maadi - 22
205 Trestle Troll - 23
215 Frostburn Weird - 23
216 Golgari Longlegs - 23
221 Rakdos Shred-Freak - 20
223 Sundering Growth - 22
224 Vassal Soul - 21
237 Azorius Guildgate - 17
239 Golgari Guildgate - 19
242 Izzet Guildgate - 20
244 Rakdos Guildgate - 22
246 Selesnya Guildgate - 22
249 Transguild Promenade - 21
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I guess that'd be pretty interesting if Arrest weren't uncommon in RtR.
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That's the problem with this method. There's too much noise from random variance to find the answer this way.
Practice for Khans of Tarkir Limited:
Draft: (#1) (#2) (#3) (#4) (#5)
Transguild Promenade.
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Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Yeah, I was hoping to get all the contents of the packs, so we could slowly sum them up and see that one common was showing up less often than the others, but like this it is not going to work.
My english may suck, so please take it easy
In my Selesnya guild box I pulled 4 transguild promenade...
It's still quite doable. We just need the exact contents (in order) of enough packs to figure out enough of the common runs to get our answer.
Practice for Khans of Tarkir Limited:
Draft: (#1) (#2) (#3) (#4) (#5)
If you could post raw pack contents (in order) rather than sorted data that would help a lot more.
Practice for Khans of Tarkir Limited:
Draft: (#1) (#2) (#3) (#4) (#5)
(On a side note about rare uncommons, of all my packs I haven't opened 1 Izzet Charm.)
I can say for sure some boxes were short certain cards (Hussar Patrol, Azorious Guildgate come to mind), but looking the variance after sorting multiple boxes, it evened out fairly well.
Here's the Gold/Hybrid/Land for example:
19 Augur Spree
19 Centaur Healer
21 Chemister's Trick
22 Common Bond
19 Courser's Accord
18 Dramatic Rescue
23 Essence Backlash
23 Goblin Electromancer
18 Grisly Salvage
18 Hussar Patrol
18 Search Warrant
19 Skull Rend
20 Sluiceway Scorpion
22 Spawn of Rix Maadi
23 Trestle Troll
23 Frostburn Wierd
23 Golgari Longlegs
20 Rakdos Shredfreak
22 Sundering Growth
21 Vassal Soul
17 Azorius Guildgate
19 Golgari Guildgate
20 Izzet Guildgate
22 Rakdos Guildgate
22 Selesnya Guildgate
21 Transguild Promade
But that's because I only got 1 out of 2 boxes and 3 sealed decks.
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As someone who does the print runs (although, I'm stuck using MODO packs this time around), it's actually very easy to figure the short print out. It's always colorless, and not part of a cycle. Most sets only have one option. Also, the ratio is 5:6. not exactly "almost as rare as an uncommon".
(From memory...sorry for any errors)
Shards of Alara: Relic of Progenitus
M10: Terramorphic Expanse
Zendikar: (I don't remember; one of the 6 common artifacts)
Rise of the Eldrazi: 2 common Eldrazi extra printed at 6:8:9 ratio.
M11: Terramorphic Expanse
Scars of Mirrodin: Golem Foundry
M12: Manalith
Innisitrad: Shimmering Grotto
Avacyn Restored: Scroll of Griselbrand (a surprise. Seraph Sanctuary fits the pattern better IMO)
M13: Evolving Wilds
Return to Ravnica: Haven't figured it yet, almost certainly Transguild Prominade
Wow, complete curveball. If the box posted in this thread is accurate, the RtR shortprint is Destroy the Evidence. Super weird.
19 Avenging Arrow
20 Azorious Arrester
19 Concordia Pegasus
25 Eyes in the Skies
23 Etherial Armor
24 Knightly Valor
16 Keening Apparition
22 Rootborn Defenses
22 Selesnya Sentry
20 Seller of Songbirds
20 Sunspire Griffin
21 Swift Justice
18 Trained Caracal
16 Trostani's Judgement
17 Cancel
19 Chronic Flooding
21 Crosstown Courier
17 Dispel
24 Doorkeeper
24 Downsize
18 Inaction Injunction
21 Inspiration
19 Isperia's Skywatch
24 Mizzium Skin
23 Paralyzing Grasp
21 Runewing
24 Stealer of Secrets
19 Tower Drake
22 Voidwielder
24 Catacomb Slug
22 Cremate
24 Daggerdrone Imp
22 Dead Reveler
15 Destroy the Evidence
18 Deviant Glee
20 Drainpipe Vermin
22 Grim Roustabout
21 Launch Party
20 Mind Rot
19 Ogre Jailbreaker
18 Perilous Shadow
20 Sewer Shambler
22 Stab Wound
24 Terrus Wurm
20 Annihilating Fire
20 Batterhorn
19 Bellows Lizard
21 Cobblebrute
23 Dynacharge
22 Electrickery
20 Explosive Impact
21 Gore-House Chainwalker
19 Lobber Crew
16 Pursuit of Flight
26 Splatter Thug
21 Survey the Wreckage
16 Tenement Crasher
24 Traitorous Instinct
20 Viashino Racketeer
25 Aerial Predation
23 Axebane Guardian
21 Axebane Stag
22 Centaur's Herald
24 Chorus of Might
20 Drudge Beetle
23 Druid's Deliverance
23 Gatecreeper Vine
19 Giant Growth
15 Horncaller's Chant
15 Korozda Monitor
21 Rubbleback Rhino
19 Stonefare Crocodile
26 Towering Indrik
20 Urban Burgeoning
That's how I'm going to do it.
Left:
2) Catacomb Slug, Eyes in the Skies, Survey the Wreckage, Axebane Stag, Hussar Patrol, Common Bond, Stab Wound, Towering Indrik, Azorius Guildgate, Tower Drake
3) Rootborn Defenses, Trestle Troll, Goblin Electromancer, Batterhorn, Inaction Injunction, Drudge Beetle, Rakdos Guildgate, Voidwielder, Selesnya Sentry
4) Druid's Deliverance, Etheral Armor, Goblin Electromancer, Cobblebrute, Izzet Guildgate, Daggerdrome Imp, Isperia's Skywatch, Lobber Crew, Concordia Pegasus, Destroy the Evidence
5) Chronic Flooding, Drainpipe Vermin, Swift Justice, Frostburn Weird, Search Warrant, Doorkeeper, Lobber Crew, Mind Rot, Seller of Songbirds, Voidwielder
6) Axebane Stag, Deviant Glee, Avenging Arrow, Terrus Wurm, Dramatic Rescue, Golgari Longlegs, Destroy the Evidence, Tower Drake, Knightly Valor, Annihilating Fire
7) Bellows Lizard, Dramatic Rescue, Coursers' Accord, Seller of Songbirds, Voidwielder, Gatecreeper Vine, Viashino Racketeer, Cremate, Selesnya Sentry
8) Launch Party, Rootborn Defenses, Urban Burgeoning, Mizzium Skin, Essence Backlash, Hussar Patrol, Sunspire Griffon, Perilous Shadow, Splatter Thug, Centaur's Herald
9) Dynacharge, Terrus Wurm, Golgari Guildgate, Hussar Patrol, Spawn of Rix Maadi, Ogre Jailbreaker, Batterhorn, Rubbleback Rhino, Seller of Songbirds, Sewer Shambler
10) Traitorous Instinct, Rootborn Defenses, Dispel, Golgari Guildgate, Transguild Promenade, Cobblebrute, Selesnya Guildgate, Grim Roustabout, Towering Indrik, Runewing
11) Axebane Stag, Deviant Glee, Frostburn Weird, Concordia Pegasus, Cremate, Batterhorn, Inaction Injunction, Drudge Beetle, Rakdos Guildgate
12) Chorus of Might, Eyes in the Skies, Traitorous Instinct, Inspiration, Coursers' Accord, Skull Rend, Hussar Patrol, Grisly Salvage, Towering Indrik, Azorius Guildgate
Center:
2) Urban Burgeoning, Mizzium Skin, Dynacharge, Ethereal Armor, Common Bond, Rakdos Shred-Freak, Dead Reveler, Trostani's Judgment, Centaur's Herald, Perilous Shadow
3) Pursuit of Flight, Drainpipe Vermin, Giant Growth, Crosstown Courier, Dramatic Rescue, Coursers' Accord, Stab Wound, Towering Indrik, Azorius Guildgate, Tower Drake,
4) Trained Caracal, Chronic Flooding, Goblin Electromancer, Grisly Salvage, Isperia's Skywatch, Lobber Crew, Concordia Pegasus, Destroy the Evidence, Stonefare Crocodile, Gore-House Chainwalker
5) Chorus of Might, Electrickery, Essence Backlash, Centaur Healer, Rakdos Guildgate, Axebane Guardian, Downsize, Concordia Pegasus, Cremate
6) Dynacharge, Ethereal Armor, Paralyzing Grasp, Common Bond, Golgari Longlegs, Seller of Songbirds, Sewer Shambler, Gore-House Chainwalker, Gatecreeper Vine, Azorius Arrester
7) Avenging Arrow, Terrus Wurm, Chorus of Might, Electrickery, Search Warrant, Centaur Healer, Selesnya Guildgate, Grim Roustabout, Towering Indrik, Runewing
8) Cancel, Swift Justice, Druid's Deliverance, Electrickery, Coursers' Accord, Essence Backlash, Centaur's Herald, Perilous Shadow, Tenement Crasher, Sunspire Griffin
9) Deviant Glee, Armory Guard, Urban Burgeoning, Vassal Soul, Sundering Growth, Axebane Guardian, Keening Apparition, Viashino Racketeer, Sewer Shambler, Drudge Beetle
10) Armory Guard, Aerial Predation, Mizzium Skin, Catacomb Slug, Trestle Troll, Auger Spree, Sunspire Griffin, Perilous Shadow, Splatter Thug, Centaur's Herald
11) Druid's Deliverance, Ethereal Armor, Frostburn, Weird, Sundering Growth, Batterhorn, Inaction Injunction, Drudge Beetle, Rakdos Guildgate, Voidwielder, Selesnya Sentry
12) Dispel, Horncaller's Chant, Pursuit of Flight, Trained Caracal, Golgari Longlegs, Search Warrant, Aurger Spree, Common Bond, Knightly Valor, Splatter Thug
Right:
2) Dynacharge, Terrus Wurm, Golgari Guildgate, Trestle Troll, Auger Spree, Stonefare Crocodile, Gore-House Chainwalker, Inaction Injunction, Izzet Guildgate, Keening Apparition
3) Giant Growth, Tratorous Instinct, Rootborn Defenses, Dispel, Transguild Promenade, Vassal Soul, Stealer of Secrets, Selesnya Guildgate, Dead Reveler, Annihilating Fire
4) Aerial Predation, Mizzium Skin, Rakdos Shred-Freak, Essence Backlash, Gatecreeper Vine, Viashino Racketeer, Cremate, Selesnya Sentry, Downsize, Explosive Impact
5) Chorus of Might, Eyes in the Skies, Traitorous Instinct, Inspiration, Skull Rend, Destroy the Evidence, Tower Drake, Knightly Valor, Annihilating Fire
6) Crosstown Courier, Launch Party, Avenging Arrow, Sluiceway Scorpion, Dramatic Rescue, Gore-House Chainwalker, Gatecreeper Vine, Azorius Arrester, Izzet Guildgate, Daggerdrome Imp
7) Pursuit of Flight, Drainpipe Vermin, Giant Growth, Crosstown Courier, Auger Spree, Cobblebrute, Tower Drake, Dead Reveler, Trostani's Judgment
8) Inspiration, Trained Caracal, Survey the Wreckage, Aerial Predation, Sluiceway Scorpion, Spawn of Rix Maadi, Sunspire Griffin, Perilous Shadow, Splatter Thug, Centaur's Herald
9) Eyes in the Skies, Survey the Wreckage, Chemister's Trick, Transguild Promenade, Downsize, Explosive Impact, Stonefare Crocodile, Daggerdrome Imp, Doorkeeper
10) Paralyzing Grasp, Axebane Stag, Catacomb Slug, Grisly Salvage, Rakdos Shred-Freak, Voidwielder, Selesnya Sentry, Ogre Jailbreaker, Batterhorn, Rubbleback Rhino
11) Chronic Flooding, Giant Growth, Frostburn Weird, Trestle Troll, Ogre Jailbreaker, Isperia's Skywatch, Rubbleback Rhino, Azorius Arrester, Explosive Impact, Mind Rot
12) Drainpipe Vermin, Swift Justice, Horncaller's Chant, Cancel, Golgari Longlegs, Skull Rend, Goblin Electromancer, Cobblebrute, Towering Indrik, Runewing
That, ladies and gentlemen, are all the non foil commons that appeared in my box, and in the order they appeared. I hope this helps, and I apologize for any spelling errors...I did all this on lack of sleep.
Again, Arrest is UNCOMMON in RtR.
Tokens are printed on their own sheet. They have nothing to do with the commons. Also, even though they all have the black expansion symbol, they do have different rarities. The entire sheet is 121 cards. Tokens made only by Mythics are on the sheet once. Tokens made by Rares are on twice. Tokens made by several of cards might be on the sheet 10 times. Further complicating the issue, the ads on the back aren't always the same, or always different. So a Knight token might be on the sheet 10 times, but have 6 different possible backs, some combinations more common than others.
awesome, thank you. I love working these things out, but I'm relying on the interwebs for the data this time. generally it takes 3 boxes to get the three easy runs done, plus a few specific packs to finish up the most difficult run.
If anyone else reading this is opening packs in the next two weeks, please post the commons in order, or take a picture for me (and all the drafters out there that use this information) thanks much =)