Maybe WoTC is finally going back on their word that they won't print too many staple cards at Mythic? This is a good thing if there are actually good rares to come other than Snap Mage and Phyrexian Arena Demon.
Well the one great thing we got out of the Mythics is cheaper staple rares. I mean Birds are $2-3 a pop, and a solid mana base can be had for a reasonable amount. It also helps that these sets are smaller. When we had Ravnica/Coldsnap/Time Spiral there were so many cards it was much harder to track down rares. I opened 3 boxes of RAV and never cracked a single Bird. That doesn't happen nearly as often now, and many playable rares would have been $25 easily if they were out years ago.
Maro has stated about this problem with mythics. It's a "Damned if they do, Damned if they don't." Mythic's all constructed playable? they cost $40-80. Cards never going to see a deck list except for Limited? $2-3.
What about, progenitus, the eldrazi, Elesh norn, Sphinx of the Steel Wind
nicol, bolas and ever other PW that has not been reprinted to death yet saw almost no tournament play ect...?
Well the one great thing we got out of the Mythics is cheaper staple rares. I mean Birds are $2-3 a pop, and a solid mana base can be had for a reasonable amount.
That has much more to do with reprinting an old card with new cards, since in order for the new cards to meet demand the old cards will probably exceed demand. It happened with birds in dropping the price by about 30%, about the same percentage drop that m10 caused.
Also I don't see why this is a good things, If I'm making a deck I want the cards I already have to be expensive, not the new cards. But they way they do it now they cards you already have are not worth much so the new cards cost more.
I opened 3 boxes of RAV and never cracked a single Bird. That doesn't happen nearly as often now, and many playable rares would have been $25 easily if they were out years ago.
Unlikely, there where few standard cards over $20 pre-lowryn.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
It's called the roller coaster that is magic. Besides, every time we have a "underpowered crap set" suddenly it becomes the "OMG BROKEN" one the next year.
Time Spiral was filled with "too many mechanics and catered to old guys"
Lorwyn was called "gimmicky and janky and planeswalkers won't see play"
Shards was "the worst set ever" and full of "three color cards that won't see play, and had nothing to contribute to Standard"
Zen "doesn't give us anything but fetches and contributes nothing to Standard"
Scars "Is no where near what the original Mirrodin was and contributes nothing to Standard"
It's truly laughable that we see this every fall, and people completely forget about saying how they hate a set so much yet go completely bonkers when a pro shows them to think outside the box. For all we know, freaking warewolves will be everywhere in 6 months.
Thank you, sir. I couldn't agree more. What I'm sick of is people taking a pro's decklist and copying it so they can win too.
I'm not too big a fan of mythics, but if they're going to be used wisely, I can deal. Army of the Damned is a great choice as a mythic. Power level isn't too high, but it's a card that needs to be dealt with when it hits the board.
Well the one great thing we got out of the Mythics is cheaper staple rares. I mean Birds are $2-3 a pop, and a solid mana base can be had for a reasonable amount. It also helps that these sets are smaller. When we had Ravnica/Coldsnap/Time Spiral there were so many cards it was much harder to track down rares. I opened 3 boxes of RAV and never cracked a single Bird. That doesn't happen nearly as often now, and many playable rares would have been $25 easily if they were out years ago.
lolwut?
I guess this depends on the format you're playing, but in Modern (not counting Legacy or Vintage) a decent mana base means having Ravnica shocks ($18-30 each) and Zendikar fetches ($8-17 each). Also when was the last time you saw Birds of Paradise in a competitive deck?
Cobras would have been too common at rare for the ability they had and vengevine deserved mythic as before alara rotated out it was very easy to be cheating a lot of them out of your GY and winning the game. I'm not complaining that the game is slowing down, I just don't think these are playable enough in a 60 card competitive deck. I can see them in EDH, but that is a different style of deck building and I still don't see these deserving mythic rarity at the power level of the cards. I know that what the "pros" play isn't the only thing you can run. I've personally made home brew decks that can easily compete with top decks of the meta. There have been other bad mythics and it bums me out. I think that if I'm "lucky" enough to open a mythic in a pack, it should be something I'm happy about, not disappointed because it sucks.
Mythic is not supposed to be the rarity containing all the best cards. Vengevine could have been rare without any trouble, and so could Lotus Cobra. Sure, they would be good rares, but so what? There are supposed to be good rares. And good commons and uncommons, too.
Personally, I'd prefer that all mythics be unplayable outside of limited. Otherwise they are too expensive to buy as singles. I'd rather competitive decks be able to be built mostly out of commons and uncommons. Even rares I'd rather see as just limited bombs or funky combo cards.
I'm sure there is a good reason they don't do it this way. Obviously it isn't good for limited for stuff like lotus cobra and jace to appear often.
In any case it would enhance my magic playing experience to see more viable competitive decks that can be built for less money since I loathe casual play, and this is pretty much my motivation for deciding how much or little I like what rarity a card is printed at.
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Mythic is not supposed to be the rarity containing all the best cards. Vengevine could have been rare without any trouble, and so could Lotus Cobra. Sure, they would be good rares, but so what? There are supposed to be good rares. And good commons and uncommons, too.
I didn't say all of them have to be the best, but at least something some what playable and exciting to open rather than more time reversals...
To me, I think they have decided that they were making mythics way too powerful. After the Titans rotate next year, I would expect to see mythics stay at the power level that we have seen in the other mythics in M12 and in Innistrad.
How is that so surprising when you print cards that are eight times more rare than the original Rare rarity. Such are bound to go up in price.
Only when you get a deck that completely dominates the meta, cards would previously go up above $20 (like Arcbound Ravager did back in the days)
They are only twice as rare. Sure there are 7:1 rares to mythics, but there are a wider variety of rares and so there is only a 2:1 ratio for any given rare and mythic.
Of course, in the end, the only real reason to include Mythics at all is the drive up demand and prices for singles, and drive interest in the process.
It doesn't actually have anything to do with flavor or power. Silly to be naive about it otherwise.
While it still does suck to open, say, the green Praetor as one of your Mythics, there's still enough good uncommons/rares (hell, even commons now with sets like New Phy) that it doesn't crush the game under it's weight.
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A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
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What about, progenitus, the eldrazi, Elesh norn, Sphinx of the Steel Wind
nicol, bolas and ever other PW that has not been reprinted to death yet saw almost no tournament play ect...?
That has much more to do with reprinting an old card with new cards, since in order for the new cards to meet demand the old cards will probably exceed demand. It happened with birds in dropping the price by about 30%, about the same percentage drop that m10 caused.
Also I don't see why this is a good things, If I'm making a deck I want the cards I already have to be expensive, not the new cards. But they way they do it now they cards you already have are not worth much so the new cards cost more.
Unlikely, there where few standard cards over $20 pre-lowryn.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
Thank you, sir. I couldn't agree more. What I'm sick of is people taking a pro's decklist and copying it so they can win too.
I'm not too big a fan of mythics, but if they're going to be used wisely, I can deal. Army of the Damned is a great choice as a mythic. Power level isn't too high, but it's a card that needs to be dealt with when it hits the board.
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I agree. Things like Vengevine are hardly mythic either.
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lolwut?
I guess this depends on the format you're playing, but in Modern (not counting Legacy or Vintage) a decent mana base means having Ravnica shocks ($18-30 each) and Zendikar fetches ($8-17 each). Also when was the last time you saw Birds of Paradise in a competitive deck?
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I'm sure there is a good reason they don't do it this way. Obviously it isn't good for limited for stuff like lotus cobra and jace to appear often.
In any case it would enhance my magic playing experience to see more viable competitive decks that can be built for less money since I loathe casual play, and this is pretty much my motivation for deciding how much or little I like what rarity a card is printed at.
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I didn't say all of them have to be the best, but at least something some what playable and exciting to open rather than more time reversals...
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The downside of that is that people have to pay $40-60 or more for a playset of good mythics. Hmm...
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They are only twice as rare. Sure there are 7:1 rares to mythics, but there are a wider variety of rares and so there is only a 2:1 ratio for any given rare and mythic.
It doesn't actually have anything to do with flavor or power. Silly to be naive about it otherwise.
While it still does suck to open, say, the green Praetor as one of your Mythics, there's still enough good uncommons/rares (hell, even commons now with sets like New Phy) that it doesn't crush the game under it's weight.
That's my point.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.