Niv-Mizzet aside from being powerful on its own is even more powerful when you have Mindmoil or any other card that allows for large amounts of card drawing in play.
Ok, may i ask what is with ppl and saying "oh, this is a win-more card, dont play it". What is the point of playing a card? To help your deck WIN MORE!!!!!!!!!!!! IF its a win more card, then if you play it, doesnt i make sense that you will WIN MORE??????
Ok, may i ask what is with ppl and saying "oh, this is a win-more card, dont play it". What is the point of playing a card? To help your deck WIN MORE!!!!!!!!!!!! IF its a win more card, then if you play it, doesnt i make sense that you will WIN MORE??????
A "win-more card" is one that makes your wins more overwhelming instead of more frequent. In other words, one that mainly helps you when you are already in a winning position anyways.
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No one's mentioned Minamo, School at Water's Edge? It untaps Niv-Mizzet so you can use his ability again, and it can easily go
in place of an island. Smash may be a useful sideboard card for annoying artifacts (espically Uba Mask ) and a ping. Mindmoil may or may not have a place here. The combo certainly won't be as much fun without it, but if the deck runs better with something else in its place it will have to go.
Too bad Soramaro, First to Dream costs so much, he would have been fun here.
Agreed. Run Teferi's Puzzle Box instead. It comes online a turn earlier and screws with your opponent as well.
Also, Invoke the Firemind becomes "Draw X cards and deal X damage to target creature or player" with Niv-Mizzet in play. Or it can be used as an early-game removal spell.
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ill agree with the ealier comment about teferi's puzzlebox, once niv hits, and you then throw down the box and start dealing massive amount of damage each upkeep
If you are playing mindmoil, why not play Moonring Mirror, at which point playing accelerants such as Seething Song would be good? Sure it doesn't "combo with teh cool dagron", but it will keep your hand constantly stocked and allow you to combo off without the dragon, or with it faster. Song will also keep your mana constantly available durring your combo turn.
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I think mindmoil should be ran in the deck. If mindmoil hits turn 5, followed by Niv-Mizzet on 6, and the puzzel box 7 followed by a stitch in time(possibly) the game should be over. However, drawing cards like Mikokoro,Center of the sea, The top, even Lore Broker, and of course Invoke the Firemind can make the game much smoother, and make for a funner vicorty. Counters are also necassary, remand is great early, and with Niv-Mizzet out it is still good late game. But mindmoil is great either way, since it can be used to go through your deck for better cards.
for an older deck if you put in some razorfin hunters and quicksilver daggers you could do crazy stuff with drawing cards and killing creatures. Theres a good interaction with Sword of Kaldra. Just think, a 9/9 with flying (Niv with the Sword) that removes a creature from game every turn and still attack!
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could you believe
Ancestral Recall After Niv U
Target Player Draws 3 card
Deal 1 damage to target creature or player
Deal 1 damage to target creature or player
Deal 1 damage to target creature or player
i mean, thats just freakin awesome. sure its a broken card, but with Niv out, their best freakin friends!
all that aside, just get card draw spells and abuse accordingly.
Actually, the use of mindmoil or T'sPB is more then just "more win"... they allow you to have less Niv-Mizzet's in your deck, since you'll be digging through at lightning speed with both....
I think this is gonna be one of those cases of an "overhyped" card that will still be very fun to play. Probably just casual plausible, IMO, but I'm not leaving out the possibility of tourney viability since he is 6 mana. And since we're goin casual respects how about the unnamed-as-of-yet WhirlpoolThree-some. Should be fun for sure with those lagging around.
2 Meloku, The Clouded Mirror
4 Jushi Apprentice
2 Azami Lady of Scrolls
3 Mindmoil
2 Invoke the Firemind
3 Telling Time
4 Hinder
2 Rewind
4 Char
3 Shock
4 Izzet Dual
9 Island
7 Mountain
4 Mindmoil
4 Jushi Apprentice
4 Telling Time
4 Reach Through Mists
3 Azami, Lady of Scrolls
3 Tidings
4 Char
3 Volcanic Hammer
4 Izzet Dual
4 Shivan Reef
10 Island
6 Mountain
3CB and 4CB5CB!♪~~~♫~~~~
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Life is so beautiful...
4 Jushi Apprentice
2 Meloku, The Clouded Mirror
4 Char
4 Volcanic Hammer (or the unknown UR uncommon in GP)
3 Mindmoil
3 Sensei's Diving Top *It rocks in Izzet.dec!
4 Hinder
3 Veil of Secrecy
4 Izzet Signet
4 Izzet Dual
4 Shivan Reef
9 Island
5 Mountain
4 Pyroclasm
4 Mimofattura
4 * a good boomerang*
3 Pithing Needle
♪~~~♫~~~~
(\ /)
(♥.♥)
(> <)
Music, Love, Magic and Bunny.
Life is so beautiful...
the Unknown "Power Uncommon", as i said.
I would replace V.Hammer if that card revealed itself as "1UR, Instant: Deals 3 damage. Draw 1." at the end.
♪~~~♫~~~~
(\ /)
(♥.♥)
(> <)
Music, Love, Magic and Bunny.
Life is so beautiful...
Mikokoro, Center of the Sea, the hodens, and Scroll of origins may be good ideas a well.
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A "win-more card" is one that makes your wins more overwhelming instead of more frequent. In other words, one that mainly helps you when you are already in a winning position anyways.
About Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx:
in place of an island.
Smash may be a useful sideboard card for annoying artifacts (espically Uba Mask
Mindmoil may or may not have a place here. The combo certainly won't be as much fun without it, but if the deck runs better with something else in its place it will have to go.
Too bad Soramaro, First to Dream costs so much, he would have been fun here.
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Agreed. Run Teferi's Puzzle Box instead. It comes online a turn earlier and screws with your opponent as well.
Also, Invoke the Firemind becomes "Draw X cards and deal X damage to target creature or player" with Niv-Mizzet in play. Or it can be used as an early-game removal spell.
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could you believe
Ancestral Recall After Niv U
Target Player Draws 3 card
Deal 1 damage to target creature or player
Deal 1 damage to target creature or player
Deal 1 damage to target creature or player
i mean, thats just freakin awesome. sure its a broken card, but with Niv out, their best freakin friends!
all that aside, just get card draw spells and abuse accordingly.
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