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Attack step ok, oh wait i would like to cryptic command. im sorry its too late to do that.
Is it just me or is this guy teamed up with arcane laboratory an unbreakable lock ?? If your opponent only plays one spell each turn and this spell is always countered, how will he ever break this ??
There are spells that can't be countered, you know. Boseiju can make enchantment destruction uncounterable. Isao can be played as a threat. Also, there are ways to get around "playing a spell", such as cycling and, in this set, channel.
Actually, doesn't it kind of work like an Arcane Lab? I mean, if your oppoenent plays a spell, and you counter it with a counterspell of some sort, doesn't that mean two spells are played thus far? I figgered that was how it was as the Spiritcraft abilites still triggered for a Spirit/Arcane spell though the spell is countered. Therefore if this is the case, doesn't this mean the opponent wouldn't want to play another spell in hopes it doesn't get countered to make it four spells that turn? Granted, I'd assume that was the easiest way for decks to get around counters.
I'm pretty sure this can simply be the 'fourth' spell of the turn, and immediately flip. That makes it much more interesting to play. If you are playing a medum cost deck, just having it in play will prohibit an opponents from playing spells on your turn. They can do it, especially if it BURNS but the possibility of finishing off the 4 spells needed is there.
I'm not 100% sure how it'll play out, but I do know that there are two distinct 'good' things here:
1) If it's the fourth, or greater, spell, it flips immediately, and is a 'from hand' effect which can surprise an opponent.
2) It doesn't care whose turn it is, or who is playing the spells, meaning if you counter with it in play, that's half of what you need right there.
If you play this as the fourth spell that turn it wouldn't flip because it wouldn't see that it's the fourth spell that turn. Atleast I believe this is how it would work, since with many other spells if you play them and what they would normally effect has already taken place (such as if you played Orim's Chant after the opponent had already declared attackers), it doesn't have any effect since it had already happened.
If you play this as the fourth spell that turn it wouldn't flip because it wouldn't see that it's the fourth spell that turn.
Hmm, the translation is a bit shaky, but assuming it is 'whenever you play' I guess that would be right. It would have to be the third, followed by a fourth.
However, since I think it says "Whenever you 'have played' four or more spells..." then that means it would enter play, do a status check to see if 4 or more have been played, say 'yes' and then flip itself.
Personally since the 4 spells DO NOT have to all be played by you, i think this is just another optional addition to muc.
Still very playable in it though....
They cast a weak spell to see if you counter it, you let it through.
They cast a big spell you counter it, and at eot you cast a card drawing spell.
Total: 4 spells....
Possibly very good in the mono u mirror
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Jeez... we can assume it survives one turn? If that Kami of Law's not already in play... it'll still take 2 spells to kill, so it's not bad, even if your opponent tanks it straight off. As it's been said before... your opponent plays 2 spells, you've only got to cast 2 instants to get this to flip. If you have the right mana accel, you can even get it the turn you play it. Even by itself, it'll wreck havoc with your opponent's deck... don't think of this as the sole focus of the deck, but just something that helps... a whole lot.
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Erayo, Soratami Elite
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Legendary Creature - Moonfolk Monk
Flying
When 4 spells have been played in a turn, flip Erayo, Soratami Elite.
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Erayo's Essence
Legendary Enchantment
Counter the first spell each opponent plays on each turn.
Just to clarify: Nowhere does it say that you are the one that has to play any of the spells. Also, there is no 'may' either.
Affinity, Affinity, Affinity. Thats the deck to put this in. It flies, it carries Plating, then it flips and makes it really hard for your opponent to stop you from killing them and it does that without costing you any mana after the initial investment.
Stop messing around with random ideas for extended and put it in AFFINITY.
I see this in the sideboard of MBC for the mirror-match. If you drop this against another MBC deck then you get a huge advantage in sense that they can't really afford to get in a counter war. If you play a spell they counter and you counter what do they do? Let you resolve your spell or flip the card.
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Affinity, Affinity, Affinity. Thats the deck to put this in. It flies, it carries Plating, then it flips and makes it really hard for your opponent to stop you from killing them and it does that without costing you any mana after the initial investment.
Stop messing around with random ideas for extended and put it in AFFINITY.
TY.
Except, you know, without the artifact lands Affinity is slow as hell.
you'd be able to play and flip it potentially on the 1st turn(if you drew).
IE. 1st turn, draw, play island, play chrome mox imprinting random blue spell,
play erayo, play 3 0 cost artifacts and a frogmite, flip erayo and then win by with no cards in hand with frogmite beatdown.
perhaps it's better for you not to try to flip it all by yourself. wait till your opponent uses a spell to kill it, then respond with three spells. it'll flip and coutner your opponent's creature-kill spell. makes it easier to flip too.
I have a rules question which shoudnt be asked here.
Do i have to play the four spells the turn this thing comes into play?
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As I originally stated in another thread, arcane lab/rule of law creates a lock (methinks). Sure, you'd only be able to play one spell per turn, but your opponent would get nada.
I'm 95% sure it flips immediately. It says 'izure ka no taan ni', which would be 'whenever in a turn', I believe. Even more literally, the entire text would be 'In whichever turn the fourth spell is played, flip Erayo, Soratami Elite', but that doesn't make all that much sense in English. Also, in no part of the game text does it use the perfective (past tense), so it doesn't say 'played'. The relevant part here is 'yottsu me no jumon ga puree sareru'. 'Puree sareru' is the passive imperfective form of 'play suru', 'to (do a) play'. It is not the perfective, so it's talking about when the fourth spell is played, not some time after that.
If you wanted to say 'at the end of a turn where four spells were played', it would be 'yottsu no jumon ga sareta taan no saigo ni'.
I've thought of another possibility. The passive can be used to denote something being done to you. This means that there is a slight possibility that it means 'whenever four spells are played on you in a turn, meaning that they are played against you. However, since 'you' (or any other referent) for the passive is indicated by the game text, I don't think this interpretation is valid. It is a simple 'have been played' condition.
One more thing: I'm pretty sure it flips in response to the playing of the fourth spell. IOW, it doesn't wait for resolution of the spell. This follows from the use of the imperfective throughout.
Does this answer your question about the wording? Also, if someone can find samples of Japanese flip cards from Champions and/or Betrayers, I can compare the wording for you.
Oh, a non-translation issue. I don't think that Erayo's Essence will start counting from the time it flips. For the trigger to happen, it will ask the question, "Is this the first spell my opponent has cast this turn?" The answer will determine the trigger.
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I'm not 100% sure how it'll play out, but I do know that there are two distinct 'good' things here:
1) If it's the fourth, or greater, spell, it flips immediately, and is a 'from hand' effect which can surprise an opponent.
2) It doesn't care whose turn it is, or who is playing the spells, meaning if you counter with it in play, that's half of what you need right there.
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Hmm, the translation is a bit shaky, but assuming it is 'whenever you play' I guess that would be right. It would have to be the third, followed by a fourth.
However, since I think it says "Whenever you 'have played' four or more spells..." then that means it would enter play, do a status check to see if 4 or more have been played, say 'yes' and then flip itself.
Still very playable in it though....
They cast a weak spell to see if you counter it, you let it through.
They cast a big spell you counter it, and at eot you cast a card drawing spell.
Total: 4 spells....
Possibly very good in the mono u mirror
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Cool stuff here.
Erayo, Soratami Elite
1U
1/1
Legendary Creature - Moonfolk Monk
Flying
When 4 spells have been played in a turn, flip Erayo, Soratami Elite.
//
Erayo's Essence
Legendary Enchantment
Counter the first spell each opponent plays on each turn.
Just to clarify: Nowhere does it say that you are the one that has to play any of the spells. Also, there is no 'may' either.
I hope this helps.
Stop messing around with random ideas for extended and put it in AFFINITY.
TY.
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it.
Except, you know, without the artifact lands Affinity is slow as hell.
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you'd be able to play and flip it potentially on the 1st turn(if you drew).
IE. 1st turn, draw, play island, play chrome mox imprinting random blue spell,
play erayo, play 3 0 cost artifacts and a frogmite, flip erayo and then win by with no cards in hand with frogmite beatdown.
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Do i have to play the four spells the turn this thing comes into play?
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Turn 4, 4 mana in play. Erayo, Serum Visions, Reach Through Mists, Spellbook. Flip him, say go.
Seems like a good fourth turn in Standard... for casual.
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If you wanted to say 'at the end of a turn where four spells were played', it would be 'yottsu no jumon ga sareta taan no saigo ni'.
I've thought of another possibility. The passive can be used to denote something being done to you. This means that there is a slight possibility that it means 'whenever four spells are played on you in a turn, meaning that they are played against you. However, since 'you' (or any other referent) for the passive is indicated by the game text, I don't think this interpretation is valid. It is a simple 'have been played' condition.
One more thing: I'm pretty sure it flips in response to the playing of the fourth spell. IOW, it doesn't wait for resolution of the spell. This follows from the use of the imperfective throughout.
Does this answer your question about the wording? Also, if someone can find samples of Japanese flip cards from Champions and/or Betrayers, I can compare the wording for you.
Oh, a non-translation issue. I don't think that Erayo's Essence will start counting from the time it flips. For the trigger to happen, it will ask the question, "Is this the first spell my opponent has cast this turn?" The answer will determine the trigger.