We've heard about the potential for Hokori in WW, but what about some of the other notable white cards?
Final Judgment: This could possibly be SB material against TNN, but is it better than Wrath just because it takes out Colossus?
Empty-Shrine Kannushi: It'll be a nice bost in the mirror, but does it have any use outside of that?
Terashi's Grasp: As a 3cc sorcery, will it be fast enough to matter in an already-strong affinity matchup?
Genju of the Fields/Plains: It would add another control aspect to the aggro-control builds, and it would make a use out of the excess lands WW always has. But is it worth it?
Patron of the Kitsune is extremely block playable.
I know of some WW decks that have boarded Holy Day effects to win the race against Affinity so I don't know why Kami of False Hope wouldn't be playable.
Purge is better than Terashi's Grasp, Genju is too slow.
I think it'll be Genju of the Craters. You know, the Crater Plains? Yeah.
Hokobi seems like it'll be really strong in the tooth matchup.
Kami of False Hope is almost always going to be better than Ethereal Haze (except I maindeck the Matrix, so kami = board.)
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Yep, agreed on the Kami of False Hope, Sniper of Goth! It's an absolutely excelent card for WW in the current metagame and absolutely not dead in matchups other than RAffinity. I even think it will be very good in limited for the fast W/R or W/B archetype.
You EVEN think? It will be an EXCELLENT card in limited!
Fog effects are generally good in limited (except for plain Fog ones, like Ethereal Haze). Attach it to a 1/1 body, and you've got an excellent cheap creature that should make your deck every single time.
It should be pretty good in white weenie as well. Kami of the Ancient Law is also an excellent card, especially with the Hondens around.
But the thing is, the haze is a surprize while the kami isn't.
With the haze you can sometimes cause an opposing Ravager deck to "obliterate" themselves by playing the Haze after they sacrafice everything to deal more damage.
Also the Patron is playable, but it requires a heavy modulation of the deck. Namely having more Foxs with CMC of 3 or so, since WW decks sometimes dont get more than 3 lands in play.
With the haze you can sometimes cause an opposing Ravager deck to "obliterate" themselves by playing the Haze after they sacrafice everything to deal more damage.
could i play more afinity players that are this bad? it would make games much easier.
As a persistant WW player (I do use a splash of Red for Shrapnel Blast and Hearth Kami), I see nothing in the set that would improve my deck. Though False Hope is interesting, and may cause Ravager to hold off an attack for a few turns, it gives you exactly what the name says: False Hope. Ravager will simply beat down with Enforcers until you have to use it, and they you die. I would rather have a Purge, a Wrath, or even a Haze than this card in Standard. As for Patron, most people only run a total of 4-6 foxes, so it is a moot point. Sure, Patron is good, but would you really rather have it or your Samurai of the Pale Affinity Screwage. Perhaps a Kitsune Beatdown deck could work in Block, but it seems to weak to slow for standard. Both are great in Multiplayer.
play two marter dragons and a dust drinker at the top of the curve, throw in cage of hands and ghostly prison for a little control as well... (that's what I'm doing with my WW any-ways... white weenie fast punch, the longer the game it shifts into control...) :/
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I don't think white weenie gains much at all from what we've seen so far, the 4 1 drops we've already got(suntail hawk, lantern kami, savannah lions, ismaru hound of konda) are all superior to any of the new ones we've seen so far. The only 2 cards which might be useful are Terashi's Grasp as a new disenchant(i'm thinking it'll be great vs affinity esp. if you use it on a myr enforcer, 3 mana to kill a 4/4 and gain 7 life = got game) and the already mention Hikori dust drinker(great against tooth'n'nail).
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critters: (32)
4x suntail hawk W
4x lantern kami W
4x savannah lions W
3x ismaru hound of konda W
4x leonin skyhunter WW
4x samurai of the pale curtain WW
4x auriok champion WW
3x 81/2 tails WW
2x Hikori dust drinker 2WW
other: (10)
4x reciprocate W
4x glorious anthem 1WW
2x pulse of the fields 1WW
lands: (18)
1x eganjo castle
17x plains
IMO, if you play Hokori, you HAVE to play Ghostly Prison. Actually, I think just about every WW deck should play Prison, but especially one that runs Hokori. And 18 lands? You're basically starting wiht a 6-card hand at that point with how often you'll have to mulligan. Most decent WW builds run around 21-22 mana sources (including Chrome Moxes, which should also be in any WW deck using Hokori). I think Savannah Lions have outstayed their welcome. Just about every deck has a 1/1 that would love to trade with it. Affinity has Worker, TNN and BG have Sakura-Tribe Elder...
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Final Judgment: This could possibly be SB material against TNN, but is it better than Wrath just because it takes out Colossus?
Empty-Shrine Kannushi: It'll be a nice bost in the mirror, but does it have any use outside of that?
Terashi's Grasp: As a 3cc sorcery, will it be fast enough to matter in an already-strong affinity matchup?
Genju of the Fields/Plains: It would add another control aspect to the aggro-control builds, and it would make a use out of the excess lands WW always has. But is it worth it?
I know of some WW decks that have boarded Holy Day effects to win the race against Affinity so I don't know why Kami of False Hope wouldn't be playable.
Purge is better than Terashi's Grasp, Genju is too slow.
Hokobi seems like it'll be really strong in the tooth matchup.
Kami of False Hope is almost always going to be better than Ethereal Haze (except I maindeck the Matrix, so kami = board.)
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You EVEN think? It will be an EXCELLENT card in limited!
Fog effects are generally good in limited (except for plain Fog ones, like Ethereal Haze). Attach it to a 1/1 body, and you've got an excellent cheap creature that should make your deck every single time.
It should be pretty good in white weenie as well. Kami of the Ancient Law is also an excellent card, especially with the Hondens around.
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With the haze you can sometimes cause an opposing Ravager deck to "obliterate" themselves by playing the Haze after they sacrafice everything to deal more damage.
Also the Patron is playable, but it requires a heavy modulation of the deck. Namely having more Foxs with CMC of 3 or so, since WW decks sometimes dont get more than 3 lands in play.
could i play more afinity players that are this bad? it would make games much easier.
The Genju of the Plains might be decent, a recurring 2/5 lifegain effect bearing creature from turn 1? Of course.
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my current WW build is something like: WWpostBOK vs1.0
critters: (32)
4x suntail hawk W
4x lantern kami W
4x savannah lions W
3x ismaru hound of konda W
4x leonin skyhunter WW
4x samurai of the pale curtain WW
4x auriok champion WW
3x 81/2 tails WW
2x Hikori dust drinker 2WW
other: (10)
4x reciprocate W
4x glorious anthem 1WW
2x pulse of the fields 1WW
lands: (18)
1x eganjo castle
17x plains
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