I'm most sad that Eomer doesn't look like Karl Urban, he looks more like he came from Gondor than Rohan.
I'm always curious about how they do interpret the colour by for these Universe Beyond products. Like what about the Fellowship is meant to be Abzan over say Bant, same for Rohan being Jeskai, when Naya is probably a better fit.
I think I've learned to treat Magic cards like baseball cards: keep 'em in a binder in numerical order, don't play with 'em, try to finish the set and just keep my head down.
I'm always curious about how they do interpret the colour by for these Universe Beyond products. Like what about the Fellowship is meant to be Abzan over say Bant, same for Rohan being Jeskai, when Naya is probably a better fit.
Red-white being part of Rohan's identity was a given. But if they're going to include a third color, I rather like them using blue instead of green. If I were designing the Rohirrim, I'd want to make them able to field a bafflingly large army at just the right time to make your opponent(s) say, "Wait, what?!" The surprise charge is classic cavalry tactics, and few in fiction did 'cavalry' better than the Rohirrim.
Naya is great at flashing out big beatsticks, but I think Jeskai is a pretty solid choice for, say, flashing out 4 or 5 Soldiers from your hand and then pulling flicker/bounce shenanigans with them. I expect a lot of ETB effects.
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I recognize some of the commanders, but is Legolas the Jeskai one? And who is the simic one?
Didn't see a reply to this, it's quite clearly Eowyn on the front of the Jeskai deck and Galadriel on the Simic deck. These are the most relevant female characters in lotr so makes sense.
I'm most sad that Eomer doesn't look like Karl Urban, he looks more like he came from Gondor than Rohan.
I'm always curious about how they do interpret the colour by for these Universe Beyond products. Like what about the Fellowship is meant to be Abzan over say Bant, same for Rohan being Jeskai, when Naya is probably a better fit.
You could say its F***ing diabolical!
I believe Jeskai is Rohan because it's going to be Horsemanship matters.
So, not only Aragorn, but Galadriel and Eowyn as well.
At Reprieve, she looks a lot like just a tiny bit darker Olivia Clarke's Daenerys. And on the Commander deck, assuming it is ALSO Eowyn (because, well, there is exactly NONE other Rohirrim female warrior character), she looks substantially different, with a bronze complexion at best and different facial physiology.
Well, their choice. I won't be mad about it, but I would have not mind them being more true to the source.
Eh, I think Tom Bombadil getting the God creature type is a bigger deviation than skin color. Tolkien left everything but Tom not being a God to speculation. Elder Bard would've worked better.
Yeah, but frankly, I always considered Tom Bombadil a god, something as an aspect of Ilúvatar himself on at least Valar level, so I do not quite mind.
Bombadil being a god or, more specifically, a manifestation of the mystery of Creation/The Author itself, beyond even the Valar, while never part of the canon, is something that can be at least deduced from canonical material.
But the entire point of Tom is he's outside this entire War of the Ring situation. He's no god, no man, just an old man named Tom who doesn't stop singing. If anything, Elder Bard, just Elder, just Bard, or full Nameless Race would have worked just as well, if not better.
So, not only Aragorn, but Galadriel and Eowyn as well.
At Reprieve, she looks a lot like just a tiny bit darker Olivia Clarke's Daenerys. And on the Commander deck, assuming it is ALSO Eowyn (because, well, there is exactly NONE other Rohirrim female warrior character), she looks substantially different, with a bronze complexion at best and different facial physiology.
Well, their choice. I won't be mad about it, but I would have not mind them being more true to the source.
Eh, I think Tom Bombadil getting the God creature type is a bigger deviation than skin color. Tolkien left everything but Tom not being a God to speculation. Elder Bard would've worked better.
Yeah, but frankly, I always considered Tom Bombadil a god, something as an aspect of Ilúvatar himself on at least Valar level, so I do not quite mind.
Bombadil being a god or, more specifically, a manifestation of the mystery of Creation/The Author itself, beyond even the Valar, while never part of the canon, is something that can be at least deduced from canonical material.
But the entire point of Tom is he's outside this entire War of the Ring situation. He's no god, no man, just an old man named Tom who doesn't stop singing. If anything, Elder Bard, just Elder, just Bard, or full Nameless Race would have worked just as well, if not better.
I don't recall at the moment where, but it is specified that Tom is one of the Maiar, on the same order as Mairon/Sauron and the Istari. Thing is, he's an unusually powerful Maia, due to his bond with the land he inhabits.
The Ring does work on Maiar, because it was made for use by one, and they can do even greater things with it - Gandalf and Saruman, for example - but Tom is the only character in the book who handles the Ring and is completely unaffected by it. He is free from desire and temptation because the land (which his power sustains) provides him with everything he could ever want or need. Because of this, and quite frankly because he embodied the author's ideals of a quiet, pastoral life in harmony with nature, he was strong enough that if Sauron ever did get his Precious back and conquer everything, he still wouldn't have been able to touch Tom's territory.
Most readers don't take him seriously because of his clownish nature and goofy singing, but it is made abundantly clear in the narrative that anything evil has cause to fear Tom Bombadil.
The God typing is probably to represent that level of power, which is sort of in between the Maiar and the Valar. The Valar are never specifically said to be gods, but they wield godlike power and are venerated by the Elves, who knew them in the youth of their people. But they are about as close to gods as most mortals will ever interact with, since they're sort of meant to be Eru Ilúvatar's intermediaries for dealing with Creation. Honestly they're more like archangels, in keeping with Tolkien's catholicism and its influence on Arda's cosmology, but they absolutely would get God typing if they were printed as cards, since they fill much the same overall role as gods do in Magic. Immensely powerful, huge, awe-inspiring, smiters of evil and saviors of mortals, rather than omnipotent creator-demiurges.
I don't recall at the moment where, but it is specified that Tom is one of the Maiar, on the same order as Mairon/Sauron and the Istari. Thing is, he's an unusually powerful Maia, due to his bond with the land he inhabits.
This is never established. Tolkien's own words paint Tom as something like the incarnation of the countryside his youth mixed with other influences, but in regards to his presence in LotR he is firmly established as an enigma & adventure to lend mystery to the world at large. The closest we ever get to a straight answer about what Tom is in story comes from Goldberry who answers
"He is."
Without any clarification on where the emphasis lies in the statement. Is she saying "He is"? Or "He is"? Or both?
It's also worth noting that Tom's statements about things like being Eldest and present before Morgoth can be taken absolutely literally - he existed in a published form before hobbits, rings, silmarils, or the rest.
So, not only Aragorn, but Galadriel and Eowyn as well.
At Reprieve, she looks a lot like just a tiny bit darker Olivia Clarke's Daenerys. And on the Commander deck, assuming it is ALSO Eowyn (because, well, there is exactly NONE other Rohirrim female warrior character), she looks substantially different, with a bronze complexion at best and different facial physiology.
Well, their choice. I won't be mad about it, but I would have not mind them being more true to the source.
Eh, I think Tom Bombadil getting the God creature type is a bigger deviation than skin color. Tolkien left everything but Tom not being a God to speculation. Elder Bard would've worked better.
Yeah, but frankly, I always considered Tom Bombadil a god, something as an aspect of Ilúvatar himself on at least Valar level, so I do not quite mind.
Bombadil being a god or, more specifically, a manifestation of the mystery of Creation/The Author itself, beyond even the Valar, while never part of the canon, is something that can be at least deduced from canonical material.
But the entire point of Tom is he's outside this entire War of the Ring situation. He's no god, no man, just an old man named Tom who doesn't stop singing. If anything, Elder Bard, just Elder, just Bard, or full Nameless Race would have worked just as well, if not better.
I don't recall at the moment where, but it is specified that Tom is one of the Maiar, on the same order as Mairon/Sauron and the Istari. Thing is, he's an unusually powerful Maia, due to his bond with the land he inhabits.
The Ring does work on Maiar, because it was made for use by one, and they can do even greater things with it - Gandalf and Saruman, for example - but Tom is the only character in the book who handles the Ring and is completely unaffected by it. He is free from desire and temptation because the land (which his power sustains) provides him with everything he could ever want or need. Because of this, and quite frankly because he embodied the author's ideals of a quiet, pastoral life in harmony with nature, he was strong enough that if Sauron ever did get his Precious back and conquer everything, he still wouldn't have been able to touch Tom's territory.
Most readers don't take him seriously because of his clownish nature and goofy singing, but it is made abundantly clear in the narrative that anything evil has cause to fear Tom Bombadil.
The God typing is probably to represent that level of power, which is sort of in between the Maiar and the Valar. The Valar are never specifically said to be gods, but they wield godlike power and are venerated by the Elves, who knew them in the youth of their people. But they are about as close to gods as most mortals will ever interact with, since they're sort of meant to be Eru Ilúvatar's intermediaries for dealing with Creation. Honestly they're more like archangels, in keeping with Tolkien's catholicism and its influence on Arda's cosmology, but they absolutely would get God typing if they were printed as cards, since they fill much the same overall role as gods do in Magic. Immensely powerful, huge, awe-inspiring, smiters of evil and saviors of mortals, rather than omnipotent creator-demiurges.
So much this.
Right. My thought is that in MTG the God creature type is the only power level to express Tom.
From what I've read he's the most powerful character that's encountered in the story.
@caulkwrangler, it's been many years since I've read all the source material, but I remember specifically coming away with the impression that Tom Bombadil
was indeed the most powerful character in Middle-Earth.
even in a mythical Age there must be some enigmas, as there always are.
Tom Bombadil is one (intentionally) (...) Tom Bombadil is not an important person – to the narrative. I suppose he has some importance
as a 'comment'. I mean, I do not really write like that: he is just an invention (who first appeared in
the Oxford Magazine about 1933), and he represents something that I feel important, though I
would not be prepared to analyze the feeling precisely. (...) there are in fact things with which it cannot cope; and upon which its existence nonetheless
depends. Ultimately only the victory of the West will allow Bombadil to continue, or even to
survive. Nothing would be left for him in the world of Sauron. (Letter 144)
As for Tom Bombadil, I really do think you are being too serious, besides missing the point. You rather remind me
of a Protestant relation who to me objected to the (modern) Catholic habit of calling priests Father,
because the name father belonged only to the First Person, citing last Sunday's Epistle –
inappositely since that says ex quo. Lots of other characters are called Master; and if 'in time' Tom
was primeval he was Eldest in Time. But Goldberry and Tom are referring to the mystery of names. (Letter 153, explicitly contradicting Peter Hastings theory that just because is called "He is" means it is God.)
he was strong enough that if Sauron ever did get his Precious back and conquer everything, he still wouldn't have been able to touch Tom's territory.
From what I just quoted from Tolkiens letters, this is just false.
I am convinced more than ever, that just leaving him as "Elder Bard" would had be the most respectful choice of Tolkien intents on this character.
Especially because as a catholic, he would be particularly sensibile to have the word "God" applied to any different beings than Eru.
@caulkwrangler, it's been many years since I've read all the source material, but I remember specifically coming away with the impression that Tom Bombadil
was indeed the most powerful character in Middle-Earth.
Ok. What is your point though? And how are you defining power?
@caulkwrangler, it's been many years since I've read all the source material, but I remember specifically coming away with the impression that Tom Bombadil
was indeed the most powerful character in Middle-Earth.
Ok. What is your point though? And how are you defining power?
He is free from the influence, power, and machinations of the other powerful beings of Middle-earth. He is independent from the influence of the rings. And he is ancient beyond time, when compared to the Maiar. Only Eru and Melkor are more powerful than Tom, that we can say we know of. While it is entirely, hypothetically possible in a straight out battle that Sauron, in possession of the Ring, could have defeated Tom, that's not the sort of thing Tom would even engage in.
Tom, unlike Sauron for instance, is power but he does not wield power.
@caulkwrangler, it's been many years since I've read all the source material, but I remember specifically coming away with the impression that Tom Bombadil
was indeed the most powerful character in Middle-Earth.
Ok. What is your point though? And how are you defining power?
He is free from the influence, power, and machinations of the other powerful beings of Middle-earth. He is independent from the influence of the rings. And he is ancient beyond time, when compared to the Maiar. Only Eru and Melkor are more powerful than Tom, that we can say we know of. While it is entirely, hypothetically possible in a straight out battle that Sauron, in possession of the Ring, could have defeated Tom, that's not the sort of thing Tom would even engage in.
Tom, unlike Sauron for instance, is power but he does not wield power.
No, why are you quoting this at me like I denied it's possible?
Thank you! I felt it in the depths of my mind: There was another popular movie he played in. But I never bothered to check. Finally I can rest!
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Red-white being part of Rohan's identity was a given. But if they're going to include a third color, I rather like them using blue instead of green. If I were designing the Rohirrim, I'd want to make them able to field a bafflingly large army at just the right time to make your opponent(s) say, "Wait, what?!" The surprise charge is classic cavalry tactics, and few in fiction did 'cavalry' better than the Rohirrim.
Naya is great at flashing out big beatsticks, but I think Jeskai is a pretty solid choice for, say, flashing out 4 or 5 Soldiers from your hand and then pulling flicker/bounce shenanigans with them. I expect a lot of ETB effects.
Didn't see a reply to this, it's quite clearly Eowyn on the front of the Jeskai deck and Galadriel on the Simic deck. These are the most relevant female characters in lotr so makes sense.
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You could say its F***ing diabolical!
I believe Jeskai is Rohan because it's going to be Horsemanship matters.
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I believe that is Faramir.
That would be Faramir yeah?
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I don't recall at the moment where, but it is specified that Tom is one of the Maiar, on the same order as Mairon/Sauron and the Istari. Thing is, he's an unusually powerful Maia, due to his bond with the land he inhabits.
The Ring does work on Maiar, because it was made for use by one, and they can do even greater things with it - Gandalf and Saruman, for example - but Tom is the only character in the book who handles the Ring and is completely unaffected by it. He is free from desire and temptation because the land (which his power sustains) provides him with everything he could ever want or need. Because of this, and quite frankly because he embodied the author's ideals of a quiet, pastoral life in harmony with nature, he was strong enough that if Sauron ever did get his Precious back and conquer everything, he still wouldn't have been able to touch Tom's territory.
Most readers don't take him seriously because of his clownish nature and goofy singing, but it is made abundantly clear in the narrative that anything evil has cause to fear Tom Bombadil.
The God typing is probably to represent that level of power, which is sort of in between the Maiar and the Valar. The Valar are never specifically said to be gods, but they wield godlike power and are venerated by the Elves, who knew them in the youth of their people. But they are about as close to gods as most mortals will ever interact with, since they're sort of meant to be Eru Ilúvatar's intermediaries for dealing with Creation. Honestly they're more like archangels, in keeping with Tolkien's catholicism and its influence on Arda's cosmology, but they absolutely would get God typing if they were printed as cards, since they fill much the same overall role as gods do in Magic. Immensely powerful, huge, awe-inspiring, smiters of evil and saviors of mortals, rather than omnipotent creator-demiurges.
This is never established. Tolkien's own words paint Tom as something like the incarnation of the countryside his youth mixed with other influences, but in regards to his presence in LotR he is firmly established as an enigma & adventure to lend mystery to the world at large. The closest we ever get to a straight answer about what Tom is in story comes from Goldberry who answers
"He is."
Without any clarification on where the emphasis lies in the statement. Is she saying "He is"? Or "He is"? Or both?
It's also worth noting that Tom's statements about things like being Eldest and present before Morgoth can be taken absolutely literally - he existed in a published form before hobbits, rings, silmarils, or the rest.
So much this.
Right. My thought is that in MTG the God creature type is the only power level to express Tom.
From what I've read he's the most powerful character that's encountered in the story.
@caulkwrangler, it's been many years since I've read all the source material, but I remember specifically coming away with the impression that Tom Bombadil
was indeed the most powerful character in Middle-Earth.
Tom Bombadil is one (intentionally) (...) Tom Bombadil is not an important person – to the narrative. I suppose he has some importance
as a 'comment'. I mean, I do not really write like that: he is just an invention (who first appeared in
the Oxford Magazine about 1933), and he represents something that I feel important, though I
would not be prepared to analyze the feeling precisely. (...) there are in fact things with which it cannot cope; and upon which its existence nonetheless
depends. Ultimately only the victory of the West will allow Bombadil to continue, or even to
survive. Nothing would be left for him in the world of Sauron. (Letter 144)
As for Tom Bombadil, I really do think you are being too serious, besides missing the point. You rather remind me
of a Protestant relation who to me objected to the (modern) Catholic habit of calling priests Father,
because the name father belonged only to the First Person, citing last Sunday's Epistle –
inappositely since that says ex quo. Lots of other characters are called Master; and if 'in time' Tom
was primeval he was Eldest in Time. But Goldberry and Tom are referring to the mystery of names. (Letter 153, explicitly contradicting Peter Hastings theory that just because is called "He is" means it is God.)
From what I just quoted from Tolkiens letters, this is just false.
I am convinced more than ever, that just leaving him as "Elder Bard" would had be the most respectful choice of Tolkien intents on this character.
Especially because as a catholic, he would be particularly sensibile to have the word "God" applied to any different beings than Eru.
Ok. What is your point though? And how are you defining power?
He is free from the influence, power, and machinations of the other powerful beings of Middle-earth. He is independent from the influence of the rings. And he is ancient beyond time, when compared to the Maiar. Only Eru and Melkor are more powerful than Tom, that we can say we know of. While it is entirely, hypothetically possible in a straight out battle that Sauron, in possession of the Ring, could have defeated Tom, that's not the sort of thing Tom would even engage in.
Tom, unlike Sauron for instance, is power but he does not wield power.
No, why are you quoting this at me like I denied it's possible?