Interesting note gollums number is higher than aragorns number sounds like gollum might have a hybrid cmc
Could it be the numbers are based on each commander deck?
I think LTR is just the code for the main set.
Best explanation I can come up with is that those are alt arts. That is unambiguously a frame for a monoblack card, there is no mention of transforming, no color indicator for the back of a TDFC, no indication of the other side's properties for an MDFC. Unless they have completely changed the way they do numbering, it makes no sense for those two cards to be that close unless they're part of some separated subset.
The way people is cheated by corporations amuse me. Do you really believe Aragorn's being black is because WoTC is fair, anti-racist and kind? yeah sure.
Aragorn is black because it will sell cards. That's the wwhole point.
They hope it will sell cards. Honestly after the Rings of Power I do not see the LOTR fan base as a whole being all that warm and fuzzy about this.
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The way people is cheated by corporations amuse me. Do you really believe Aragorn's being black is because WoTC is fair, anti-racist and kind? yeah sure.
Aragorn is black because it will sell cards. That's the wwhole point.
They hope it will sell cards. Honestly after the Rings of Power I do not see the LOTR fan base as a whole being all that warm and fuzzy about this.
I was pumped for a LotR set. I don't play Commander but was going to collect some for my long time love of LotR and Tolkien, what actually got me into fantasy and gaming. I will not purchase any of this product either sealed or singles. I hope others of like minds will vote with their wallets as well.
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Besides, they could have made much, much dumber creative decisions - like inventing characters whole-cloth to fill out the legend count for the set, or similar. (Looking at you, Peter Jackson.)
I expect to see a split between movie-only and book-only fans because of this, between that and omitted characters. That panorama piece of the Battle of Pelennor Fields they showed on announcement had two elves a lot of movie-only fans could not identify. They called Elladan and Elrohir "unnecessary extras."
I was pumped for a LotR set. I don't play Commander but was going to collect some for my long time love of LotR and Tolkien, what actually got me into fantasy and gaming. I will not purchase any of this product either sealed or singles. I hope others of like minds will vote with their wallets as well.
If you're that easy to annoy, there's no way you would ever have liked the set. They haven't even shown anything yet.
Honestly, LoTR fans are some serious haters. They love Tolkien so much that they hate everything based on it, and quote chapter and verse on why everything is wrong. I'm not into crossovers period, but I will remind the die-hard fans who hate their own fandom: it's more fun to like stuff than to hate it.
I was pumped for a LotR set. I don't play Commander but was going to collect some for my long time love of LotR and Tolkien, what actually got me into fantasy and gaming. I will not purchase any of this product either sealed or singles. I hope others of like minds will vote with their wallets as well.
If you're that easy to annoy, there's no way you would ever have liked the set. They haven't even shown anything yet.
Honestly, LoTR fans are some serious haters. They love Tolkien so much that they hate everything based on it, and quote chapter and verse on why everything is wrong. I'm not into crossovers period, but I will remind the die-hard fans who hate their own fandom: it's more fun to like stuff than to hate it.
lotr is the grandfather of fantasty and tolken is the person that first gave elves point ears
100% outrage marketing ploy by WOTC if Aragorn ends up being the only race swapped character lol. Technically it's working, we are talking about it right now
If you're that easy to annoy, there's no way you would ever have liked the set. They haven't even shown anything yet.
Honestly, LoTR fans are some serious haters. They love Tolkien so much that they hate everything based on it, and quote chapter and verse on why everything is wrong. I'm not into crossovers period, but I will remind the die-hard fans who hate their own fandom: it's more fun to like stuff than to hate it.
lotr is the grandfather of fantasty and tolken is the person that first gave elves point ears
Heck, before Tolkien, the term "elf" had basically no distinction from "fairy" or "gnome" in common discourse. He got both elves and dwarves from Norse myths, but none of those texts have anything resembling a description. He has altered the meanings of these words into what we now understand. Ain't that neat?
But Tolkien fans could stand to chill out with hating everything that's made for them. There are things that are worth complaining about and things that aren't.
I was pumped for a LotR set. I don't play Commander but was going to collect some for my long time love of LotR and Tolkien, what actually got me into fantasy and gaming. I will not purchase any of this product either sealed or singles. I hope others of like minds will vote with their wallets as well.
If you're that easy to annoy, there's no way you would ever have liked the set. They haven't even shown anything yet.
Honestly, LoTR fans are some serious haters. They love Tolkien so much that they hate everything based on it, and quote chapter and verse on why everything is wrong. I'm not into crossovers period, but I will remind the die-hard fans who hate their own fandom: it's more fun to like stuff than to hate it.
lotr is the grandfather of fantasty and tolken is the person that first gave elves point ears
Tolkien is far from the grandfather of fantasy, that honor would belong to George MacDonald if to anybody and even he was both drawing on earlier traditions and flanked by contemporaries working along the similar principles in their own idiom. Further there is an argument to be made that Tolkien's influence has been just as restricting as it is evocative on the genre, but I doubt this thread wishes to honestly delve into that discussion.
Looking at the actual cards a bit, it definitely seems like modern legal is not being used to aim the cards at competitive modern. Aragorn and Arwen is far too expensive for the effect and unless being tempted by the ring has some additional effect, Frodo wins slower than other level up style cards for a much clunkier upgrade cost.
It always amazes me how many racists claim to be Tolkien fans. The man was vocally against it by the standards of his time, but every time the IDEA of POC in Middle Earth comes up, you all are really fast to make yourselves known. And before you object to being called racist, I bet money that you didn't object to the casting in Speed Racer, Argo, Prince of Persia, Dragonball, Airbender, Lone Ranger, Batman Begins, or almost any American made movie ever set in Egypt.
Seriously, just look at the effects of the cards, there will be a Secret Lair with different art in 6 months. I want to see the rings personally, I hope they interpret those well, not just P/T boosters.
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99,99% race discussion, 0,1% discussion on what a Magic card actually does in your typical MTG forum. Why I am not surprised?
Anyway i love the new Frodo card, very flavorful and "tempted by ring" is on point. You all think it must be associated with a new mechanic like dungeon or initiative, but could also just be a marker only for this card, works perfectly even if there's no mechanics associated with.
There are things that are worth complaining about and things that aren't.
Who made you the arbiter of what I and others can think and react? But that's okay I will meet your dismissal with a dismissal of my own, join my ignore list. No need to hear more from a closed mind.
I bet money that you didn't object to the casting in Speed Racer, Argo, Prince of Persia, Dragonball, Airbender, Lone Ranger, Batman Begins, or almost any American made movie ever set in Egypt.
You would lose money. British have been cast as Egyptians, Asians, etc. for decades and I find it disingenuous as well. But here is a sure bet, join my ignore list as well for calling some of us racists. Nothing further from the truth. Small words from a close minded "open minded" person.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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Dude seriously, It's not much believable from you to call other people "close minded" when your only answer to them is just to literally close your mind by blacklisting so you can't even read them lol. About the pot calling the kettle black. (and of course he will not read this, since he blacklisted me as well )
There is a discussion about race swapping a character when adapting something from one medium to another. However that discussion requires good faith, maturity and nuance all three of salvation historically has lacked in similar discussion and even in this forum.
Anyways after the history of the term Hobbits being halflings in magic is funny, though I agree that both should have just been kithkin for backward support.
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1. They retroactively changed Sharks to no be Fish. Don't think too hard about what they "should" do with creature types.
2. If they were to make a choice between changing every Halfling to Kithkin or changing all Kithkin to Halfling, I'd be expecting to say goodbye to Kithkin. Wouldn't you?
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2. If they were to make a choice between changing every Halfling to Kithkin or changing all Kithkin to Halfling, I'd be expecting to say goodbye to Kithkin. Wouldn't you?
I'd much rather keep the Magic thing rather than use any other term for those particular creatures, in all cases of UB I believe it would be best to use the best Magic equivalent.
1. They retroactively changed Sharks to no be Fish. Don't think too hard about what they "should" do with creature types.
2. If they were to make a choice between changing every Halfling to Kithkin or changing all Kithkin to Halfling, I'd be expecting to say goodbye to Kithkin. Wouldn't you?
Couldn't they just make them hobbits in s secret lair or do they not got from mtg set > secret lair/universes beyond?
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2. If they were to make a choice between changing every Halfling to Kithkin or changing all Kithkin to Halfling, I'd be expecting to say goodbye to Kithkin. Wouldn't you?
I'd much rather keep the Magic thing rather than use any other term for those particular creatures, in all cases of UB I believe it would be best to use the best Magic equivalent.
I don't think they are going to necessarily connect a popular ip to something that the company views as a failure for the sake of tribal connectivity.
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I don't think they are going to necessarily connect a popular ip to something that the company views as a failure for the sake of tribal connectivity.
Sounds like a design issue rather than Magic having their own version/name for it. Same reason Kamigawa wasn't all that popular until WotC took a tad more time to give the plane a proper chance. If they can give goblins a new look in every plane they can give Kithkin their own identity/style.
Well, hate it when I accidentally delete a comment I worked on writing for like 20 minutes.
tl;dr I am a huge Tolkien nerd who remains super excited to this set, to the point I've been wanting to buy at least 2 boxes since it was announced. Still just as hyped, now that we're seeing good cards. And of all the things to care about in a Tolkien adaptation, a character's appearance is about the least important thing, because he didn't care much about it either; most of the consistency we got in LotR was thanks to editors.
I think LTR is just the code for the main set.
Best explanation I can come up with is that those are alt arts. That is unambiguously a frame for a monoblack card, there is no mention of transforming, no color indicator for the back of a TDFC, no indication of the other side's properties for an MDFC. Unless they have completely changed the way they do numbering, it makes no sense for those two cards to be that close unless they're part of some separated subset.
They hope it will sell cards. Honestly after the Rings of Power I do not see the LOTR fan base as a whole being all that warm and fuzzy about this.
I was pumped for a LotR set. I don't play Commander but was going to collect some for my long time love of LotR and Tolkien, what actually got me into fantasy and gaming. I will not purchase any of this product either sealed or singles. I hope others of like minds will vote with their wallets as well.
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Spoiler EditorIf you're that easy to annoy, there's no way you would ever have liked the set. They haven't even shown anything yet.
Honestly, LoTR fans are some serious haters. They love Tolkien so much that they hate everything based on it, and quote chapter and verse on why everything is wrong. I'm not into crossovers period, but I will remind the die-hard fans who hate their own fandom: it's more fun to like stuff than to hate it.
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Heck, before Tolkien, the term "elf" had basically no distinction from "fairy" or "gnome" in common discourse. He got both elves and dwarves from Norse myths, but none of those texts have anything resembling a description. He has altered the meanings of these words into what we now understand. Ain't that neat?
But Tolkien fans could stand to chill out with hating everything that's made for them. There are things that are worth complaining about and things that aren't.
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Tolkien is far from the grandfather of fantasy, that honor would belong to George MacDonald if to anybody and even he was both drawing on earlier traditions and flanked by contemporaries working along the similar principles in their own idiom. Further there is an argument to be made that Tolkien's influence has been just as restricting as it is evocative on the genre, but I doubt this thread wishes to honestly delve into that discussion.
Seriously, just look at the effects of the cards, there will be a Secret Lair with different art in 6 months. I want to see the rings personally, I hope they interpret those well, not just P/T boosters.
Anyway i love the new Frodo card, very flavorful and "tempted by ring" is on point. You all think it must be associated with a new mechanic like dungeon or initiative, but could also just be a marker only for this card, works perfectly even if there's no mechanics associated with.
Who made you the arbiter of what I and others can think and react? But that's okay I will meet your dismissal with a dismissal of my own, join my ignore list. No need to hear more from a closed mind.
You would lose money. British have been cast as Egyptians, Asians, etc. for decades and I find it disingenuous as well. But here is a sure bet, join my ignore list as well for calling some of us racists. Nothing further from the truth. Small words from a close minded "open minded" person.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Dude seriously, It's not much believable from you to call other people "close minded" when your only answer to them is just to literally close your mind by blacklisting so you can't even read them lol. About the pot calling the kettle black. (and of course he will not read this, since he blacklisted me as well
Anyways after the history of the term Hobbits being halflings in magic is funny, though I agree that both should have just been kithkin for backward support.
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2. If they were to make a choice between changing every Halfling to Kithkin or changing all Kithkin to Halfling, I'd be expecting to say goodbye to Kithkin. Wouldn't you?
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I'd much rather keep the Magic thing rather than use any other term for those particular creatures, in all cases of UB I believe it would be best to use the best Magic equivalent.
Couldn't they just make them hobbits in s secret lair or do they not got from mtg set > secret lair/universes beyond?
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alpha mox emerald
beta time walk
4 goyfs received
3 liliana of the veil
4 karn liberated
3 force of will
4 grove of the burnwillows
snapcaster mage
3 horizon canopy
2 full art damnation
I'm not bringing this up to be a jerk but according to Maro market research shows that they were not very popular and the playerbase found them creepy. https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/144842288893/can-you-say-more-about-why-kithkin-are-not
I don't think they are going to necessarily connect a popular ip to something that the company views as a failure for the sake of tribal connectivity.
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The black pillar cracks beneath its weight
Night breaks through the day, hard as a stone
Lost in thoughts all alone
Sounds like a design issue rather than Magic having their own version/name for it. Same reason Kamigawa wasn't all that popular until WotC took a tad more time to give the plane a proper chance. If they can give goblins a new look in every plane they can give Kithkin their own identity/style.
tl;dr I am a huge Tolkien nerd who remains super excited to this set, to the point I've been wanting to buy at least 2 boxes since it was announced. Still just as hyped, now that we're seeing good cards. And of all the things to care about in a Tolkien adaptation, a character's appearance is about the least important thing, because he didn't care much about it either; most of the consistency we got in LotR was thanks to editors.