fun fact about lotr is tolkein really says what characters really look like in the novels
Fun fact about Earthsea is that Le Guin really says what the characters really look like in the novels... which hasn't stopped every screen adaptation from whitewashing them completely.
Well, hate it when I accidentally delete a comment I worked on writing for like 20 minutes.
tl;dr I am a huge Tolkien nerd who remains super excited to this set, to the point I've been wanting to buy at least 2 boxes since it was announced. Still just as hyped, now that we're seeing good cards. And of all the things to care about in a Tolkien adaptation, a character's appearance is about the least important thing, because he didn't care much about it either; most of the consistency we got in LotR was thanks to editors.
There's a long stretch between "Tolkien, whose wish was to rescue and paint the spirit of Northern Europe in a good light (especially during the Nazi regime, as he himself said) wasn't super detailed about his character's appearance" and "Black Aragorn totally makes sense"
I think I've learned to treat Magic cards like baseball cards: keep 'em in a binder in numerical order, don't play with 'em, try to finish the set and just keep my head down.
What does not make sense for sure is wasting 4+ pages of this forum only to comment the skin of a fictional character instead of commenting the actual cards.
You don't like black skinned aragorn because it is not canon with his official book appareance? cool, but don't make it such a big deal, let's move on. The more you rant and are upset about this, the more doubts you raise about the good faith of your complainings.
WotC make also genderwashing since forever about almost all angels being females, but I don't see players getting outraged each time a new female angel is spoiled out. Heck, they even made Teysa Karlov with clearly asian features in one art, and I didn't see 4 pages of people complaining of why Teysa was not consistent with her previous canonical appeareances. The fact that some people rage much more when they see black skin, really tells a lot about said people.
EDIT: also, who says that "black Aragorn makes totally sense"? Literally nobody is defending this position, so you are making a problem out of nowhere. Everybody agree that is not the correct depiction, some people just don't care, that's all. And why they don't care? because this is a card game, and the only thing that ultimately matter is how the card play out, not how accurately the art is depicted by the artist.
EDIT2: About Aragorn, is clearly a commander card, and it's actually pretty good on what it does for that format. But only because it's not modern viable it won't mean necessarily that we won't see many modern viable cards in the set. Modern Horizon sets didnt gave only Ragavans and banned cards, but also Piru and Morophon, stuff specifically aimed for commander players. Even the "oh, but Aragorn is a high profile character" doesn't hold water as an argument. Modern Horizon set's posters childs were literally high profile characters like Serra and Dakkon Blackblade and they proved to not be modern viable.So Just wait and see.
Sounds like a design issue rather than Magic having their own version/name for it. Same reason Kamigawa wasn't all that popular until WotC took a tad more time to give the plane a proper chance. If they can give goblins a new look in every plane they can give Kithkin their own identity/style.
I can tell you 100% of the time I heard complaints about the look of Kithkin, it was Lorwyn's Kithkin. Not one complaint about the look of Dominarian Kithkin, though I personally thought it a bit difficult to tell from the art alone that they are not just Humans. Part of that is Time Spiral block's fault, where everyone was wearing the same protective rags.
So I, too, think that a re-design is all that's needed. Boggarts wouldn't work on every plane either.
On the other hand... Kithkin/Halfling have a pretty small niche, or they lose their identity. Just "small person" is already covered by Dwarf. Could you really tell white Kaladesh dwarf person is not white Kaladesh Halfling/Kithkin person? Because IIRC the first art we got was Depala, Pilot Exemplar and without a beard a Dwarf is suddenly perceived as a Kithkin is not a good argument to keep both around.
D&D settings have certain expectations to their main races, but in MtG's multiverse? I wonder if even one of Kithkin/Halfling has the strong identity to defend a spot.
That said, Kithkin got their shot, so now I'm lobbying for Dauthi (or Soltari if we're speaking strictly white tribes).
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Fun fact about Earthsea is that Le Guin really says what the characters really look like in the novels... which hasn't stopped every screen adaptation from whitewashing them completely.
There's a long stretch between "Tolkien, whose wish was to rescue and paint the spirit of Northern Europe in a good light (especially during the Nazi regime, as he himself said) wasn't super detailed about his character's appearance" and "Black Aragorn totally makes sense"
What does not make sense for sure is wasting 4+ pages of this forum only to comment the skin of a fictional character instead of commenting the actual cards.
You don't like black skinned aragorn because it is not canon with his official book appareance? cool, but don't make it such a big deal, let's move on. The more you rant and are upset about this, the more doubts you raise about the good faith of your complainings.
WotC make also genderwashing since forever about almost all angels being females, but I don't see players getting outraged each time a new female angel is spoiled out. Heck, they even made Teysa Karlov with clearly asian features in one art, and I didn't see 4 pages of people complaining of why Teysa was not consistent with her previous canonical appeareances. The fact that some people rage much more when they see black skin, really tells a lot about said people.
EDIT: also, who says that "black Aragorn makes totally sense"? Literally nobody is defending this position, so you are making a problem out of nowhere. Everybody agree that is not the correct depiction, some people just don't care, that's all. And why they don't care? because this is a card game, and the only thing that ultimately matter is how the card play out, not how accurately the art is depicted by the artist.
EDIT2: About Aragorn, is clearly a commander card, and it's actually pretty good on what it does for that format. But only because it's not modern viable it won't mean necessarily that we won't see many modern viable cards in the set. Modern Horizon sets didnt gave only Ragavans and banned cards, but also Piru and Morophon, stuff specifically aimed for commander players. Even the "oh, but Aragorn is a high profile character" doesn't hold water as an argument. Modern Horizon set's posters childs were literally high profile characters like Serra and Dakkon Blackblade and they proved to not be modern viable.So Just wait and see.
I can tell you 100% of the time I heard complaints about the look of Kithkin, it was Lorwyn's Kithkin. Not one complaint about the look of Dominarian Kithkin, though I personally thought it a bit difficult to tell from the art alone that they are not just Humans. Part of that is Time Spiral block's fault, where everyone was wearing the same protective rags.
So I, too, think that a re-design is all that's needed. Boggarts wouldn't work on every plane either.
On the other hand... Kithkin/Halfling have a pretty small niche, or they lose their identity. Just "small person" is already covered by Dwarf. Could you really tell white Kaladesh dwarf person is not white Kaladesh Halfling/Kithkin person? Because IIRC the first art we got was Depala, Pilot Exemplar and without a beard a Dwarf is suddenly perceived as a Kithkin is not a good argument to keep both around.
D&D settings have certain expectations to their main races, but in MtG's multiverse? I wonder if even one of Kithkin/Halfling has the strong identity to defend a spot.
That said, Kithkin got their shot, so now I'm lobbying for Dauthi (or Soltari if we're speaking strictly white tribes).
Finally a good white villain quote: "So, do I ever re-evaluate my life choices? Never, because I know what I'm doing is a righteous cause."
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