So far source is unknown but we got are side commanders
tawnos makes permanet copys of artifact tokens
and Ashnod…… mindslaver is likely to spike hard from this ashnod you can control 2 people (unless reprinted in the deck ofcoarse since no retro frame for either art)
Oh wow, there's a lot of potential fun with Ashnod. I'd need to look at the full list of stuff it works with, but it's very creative. Shame and flavor fail that it puts in some real effort specifically not to work with Ashnod's Altar .
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Ok Im severely confused. Are you telling me that Ashnod rule text doesn't synergize at all with Ashnod's Altar, because they put the mana ability restriction? For real, Wizard?
Huge flavour fail if you ask me.
Interesting cards, and affinity again? Well, it is Bro Commander. Eternal formats will have fun with that in and outside of commander.
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I don’t think it’s possible to copy a mana ability, period.
While it’s normally something specifically specified by the card (either in rules or reminder text), we got confirmation that Dynaheir doesn’t work with Cascading Cataracts this year because mana abilities can’t be copied within the rules of mtg… or I believe that was the rationale (I’m pretty sure that copy effects can only copy permanents and things on the stack).
While you're waiting for enough mana to activate Mindslaver with this Ashnod, gleefully cantrip your way to enough mana with cards this Ashnod enables like Mishra's Bauble, Urza's Bauble, and Mind Stone!
Ok Im severely confused. Are you telling me that Ashnod rule text doesn't synergize at all with Ashnod's Altar, because they put the mana ability restriction? For real, Wizard?
The ability would not behave as a mana ability itself. Doing it this way avoids some weird situations and has the added benefit of not being broken.
Oh wow, there's a lot of potential fun with Ashnod. I'd need to look at the full list of stuff it works with, but it's very creative. Shame and flavor fail that it puts in some real effort specifically not to work with Ashnod's Altar .
and anything that makes food/clue/blood tokens it will double those
and Here’s the best for last Priest of Forgotten Gods before you say that’s a mana ability this rule was added for the card
Because it may have targets, the ability of Priest of Forgotten Gods isn’t a mana ability. It uses the stack and can be responded to, even if no targets were chosen.
I don’t think it’s possible to copy a mana ability, period.
While it’s normally something specifically specified by the card (either in rules or reminder text), we got confirmation that Dynaheir doesn’t work with Cascading Cataracts this year because mana abilities can’t be copied within the rules of mtg… or I believe that was the rationale (I’m pretty sure that copy effects can only copy permanents and things on the stack).
Because it may have targets, the ability of Priest of Forgotten Gods isn't a mana ability. It uses the stack and can be responded to, even if no targets were chosen.
This is one of the more boring applications for Ashnod, but using Bloodfire Colossus as a one mana, 12 damage nuke from the sky is far from a bad application.
Ok Im severely confused. Are you telling me that Ashnod rule text doesn't synergize at all with Ashnod's Altar, because they put the mana ability restriction? For real, Wizard?
Huge flavour fail if you ask me.
Interesting cards, and affinity again? Well, it is Bro Commander. Eternal formats will have fun with that in and outside of commander.
You'll have to wait for main set Ashnod for another possibility of an Ashnod that tries to the flavor win with her Altar without major changes in the rules.
Ok Im severely confused. Are you telling me that Ashnod rule text doesn't synergize at all with Ashnod's Altar, because they put the mana ability restriction? For real, Wizard?
Huge flavour fail if you ask me.
Interesting cards, and affinity again? Well, it is Bro Commander. Eternal formats will have fun with that in and outside of commander.
You'll have to wait for main set Ashnod for another possibility of an Ashnod that tries to the flavor win with her Altar without major changes in the rules.
That's what I figure. I'm just happy we're getting Ashnod as a card (and a lot of characters known only in flavour text and lore).
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and Here’s the best for last Priest of Forgotten Gods before you say that’s a mana ability this rule was added for the card
Because it may have targets, the ability of Priest of Forgotten Gods isn’t a mana ability. It uses the stack and can be responded to, even if no targets were chosen.
Yup, it's important to note that if an ability that makes mana can also have a target (e.g. Witch Engine), then it goes onto the stack and can be responded to. As far as I know, that's been a rule since at least Witch Engine has existed.
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
Ok Im severely confused. Are you telling me that Ashnod rule text doesn't synergize at all with Ashnod's Altar, because they put the mana ability restriction? For real, Wizard?
The ability would not behave as a mana ability itself. Doing it this way avoids some weird situations and has the added benefit of not being broken.
Did Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro really think this would help avoid a sudden price spike for Ashnod's Altar assuming that it's an auto include in Ashnod the Uncaring decks in EDH / Commander just for flavor purposes? Making her less broken is a win-win for players who don't want to pay extra for one of the best combo pieces in the game.
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Ok Im severely confused. Are you telling me that Ashnod rule text doesn't synergize at all with Ashnod's Altar, because they put the mana ability restriction? For real, Wizard?
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Ok Im severely confused. Are you telling me that Ashnod rule text doesn't synergize at all with Ashnod's Altar, because they put the mana ability restriction? For real, Wizard?
They actually made the effort to not synergize in this case, because clearly, for how they worded the card, they are well aware of Ashnod Altar (super played and iconic EDH card, unlike the forgettable and obscure Feldon Cane) and they consciously decide to not make it work with her on purpose, and that's an even worse feel-bad thing, especially for hardcore Vorthos players like me.
Ok Im severely confused. Are you telling me that Ashnod rule text doesn't synergize at all with Ashnod's Altar, because they put the mana ability restriction? For real, Wizard?
They actually made the effort to not synergize in this case, because clearly, for how they worded the card, they are well aware of Ashnod Altar (super played and iconic EDH card, unlike the forgettable and obscure Feldon Cane) and they consciously decide to not make it work with her on purpose, and that's an even worse feel-bad thing, especially for hardcore Vorthos players like me.
They could have Ashnod the uncaring create tokens for each creature that died this turn, or draw cards if a creature was sacrificed each turn like Deathreap Ritual, or reanimate a creature that was sacrificed this turn, etc....
That would at least keep it somewhat on flavor. If you look at some of the EDH original legendaries from the weatherlight saga (Gerrard, Squee etc..), many associated cards don't synergize together.
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Why do you actually need to double one the most degenerate sac-for-mana engine in the entire game? I mean...that seems especially greedy, even for Commander.
Doubling Season and the entire family tree of similar effects that exist now is not a particularly innovative design, nor does it lead to better or even interesting games of Magic. It usually leads to huge blowouts and that's fun for exactly one person at the table. Same thing here. Be careful what you wish for.
Why do you actually need to double one the most degenerate sac-for-mana engine in the entire game?
Dude, there's literally thousands of ways to make Ashnod synergize directly with Ashnod Altar, without making specifically the altar more broken per se: - whenever you sacrifice a creature, you can do X
- whenever you sacrifice a creature, you may pay X. if you do, do Y.
- whenever a creature you control die, do X
- X : do Y. Spend this mana only from artifact sources.
And so on. And you could balance costs and effects in any way or restrictions (do only once per turn / sorcery speed / exile sacrified creature etc.) you wish without making the interaction with Altar more broken than it already is normally.
What they choose to do instead of these thousands of possible designs? To make one of the fews that specifically make totally irrelevant if you have the Ashnod Altar or not. No, even worse, to make one that at first glance seems to directly refer to Ashnod Altar ability and then make in the end a restriction that make the Altar totally irrelevant with her ability. It's so spiteful to do this on purpose, that's baffling to me.
yes yes, most people know her for her altar, and you can't put 2 counters on one nonartifact creature in this case... but she does have a second version in this set
also thats a C not an E, so its Ashnod the UnCaring - named such for her brutality and willingness to experiment on the people's of terisiare.
So far source is unknown but we got are side commanders
tawnos makes permanet copys of artifact tokens
and Ashnod…… mindslaver is likely to spike hard from this ashnod you can control 2 people (unless reprinted in the deck ofcoarse since no retro frame for either art)
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Huge flavour fail if you ask me.
Interesting cards, and affinity again? Well, it is Bro Commander. Eternal formats will have fun with that in and outside of commander.
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While it’s normally something specifically specified by the card (either in rules or reminder text), we got confirmation that Dynaheir doesn’t work with Cascading Cataracts this year because mana abilities can’t be copied within the rules of mtg… or I believe that was the rationale (I’m pretty sure that copy effects can only copy permanents and things on the stack).
The ability would not behave as a mana ability itself. Doing it this way avoids some weird situations and has the added benefit of not being broken.
and I already have a choices with her
Laurine, the Diversion and Kamber, the Plunderer
and anything that makes food/clue/blood tokens it will double those
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Spoiler EditorThat's what I figure. I'm just happy we're getting Ashnod as a card (and a lot of characters known only in flavour text and lore).
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To be fair, it is Ashnod, it wouldn't really be out of character for her to be chopping off some ears.
Yup, it's important to note that if an ability that makes mana can also have a target (e.g. Witch Engine), then it goes onto the stack and can be responded to. As far as I know, that's been a rule since at least Witch Engine has existed.
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I don't think they really make an effort for cards to synergize.
Feldon of the Third Path and Feldon's Cane etc..
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They actually made the effort to not synergize in this case, because clearly, for how they worded the card, they are well aware of Ashnod Altar (super played and iconic EDH card, unlike the forgettable and obscure Feldon Cane) and they consciously decide to not make it work with her on purpose, and that's an even worse feel-bad thing, especially for hardcore Vorthos players like me.
They could have Ashnod the uncaring create tokens for each creature that died this turn, or draw cards if a creature was sacrificed each turn like Deathreap Ritual, or reanimate a creature that was sacrificed this turn, etc....
That would at least keep it somewhat on flavor. If you look at some of the EDH original legendaries from the weatherlight saga (Gerrard, Squee etc..), many associated cards don't synergize together.
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Dude, there's literally thousands of ways to make Ashnod synergize directly with Ashnod Altar, without making specifically the altar more broken per se:
- whenever you sacrifice a creature, you can do X
- whenever you sacrifice a creature, you may pay X. if you do, do Y.
- whenever a creature you control die, do X
- X : do Y. Spend this mana only from artifact sources.
And so on. And you could balance costs and effects in any way or restrictions (do only once per turn / sorcery speed / exile sacrified creature etc.) you wish without making the interaction with Altar more broken than it already is normally.
What they choose to do instead of these thousands of possible designs? To make one of the fews that specifically make totally irrelevant if you have the Ashnod Altar or not. No, even worse, to make one that at first glance seems to directly refer to Ashnod Altar ability and then make in the end a restriction that make the Altar totally irrelevant with her ability. It's so spiteful to do this on purpose, that's baffling to me.
You get it finally?
yes yes, most people know her for her altar, and you can't put 2 counters on one nonartifact creature in this case... but she does have a second version in this set
also thats a C not an E, so its Ashnod the UnCaring - named such for her brutality and willingness to experiment on the people's of terisiare.