By that definition all boosters are abuse, fraud and exploitation, which is totally an argument you could make, don't get me wrong (I personally don't agree with it, but I can see where it is coming from) but this new product changes nothing about it. The boosters don't work differently. It's not like WotC is lying to their buyers about the playability of the cards. It behaves like any booster product. It's simply more expensive, but fundamentally there is no difference.
Man, I refuse to die on any hill defending this product at all, but claiming this is Literally Evil(TM) is just laughable. Don't buy it, move on.
There are legit people addicted to packs, especially rich people that need a new "high" to open something special and continue to do so, for them its simply gambling, its exactly the same as a addicted gambler that will sell everything and steal from anybody just to get another shot.
Oh, those poor, poor rich people.
Look, I don't want 60 randomized proxies for $1000, so I'm not going to buy them and I wouldn't recommend them to anyone else - look at the market value of the World Champ deck cards nearly 20 years later. These aren't going to be worth it monetarily and I don't see them being much fun to play with.
That said, acting like this is some great predatory scheme perpetrated by Wizards is a little over the top. It's a stupid product, yes, but just acknowledge that and don't buy it. Not sure about you, but I don't actually see people blowing their life savings on Magic cards. I know people that have felt it was too expensive and quit, but that's about as far as it goes. I'm not gonna cry if someone with too much money feels like buying something silly - that's their choice.
Where there might be some legit cause for concern is the direct-to-consumer model. It's an extension of the Secret Lair model and selling randomized booster products that way seems like a step in the wrong direction.
don't accept this as normal and absolutely do not buy it. not even the singles.
Exactly. Then take it another step and shun those who do buy it sealed or as secondary singles. Don't play against them and tell them why. Yes that is harsh but its the only thing an individual can do. They are part of the problem, not the solution.
This whole Tolarian professor angle of "just buy singles" and that makes you better or apart from the problem is a fallacy. You still support the whale that bought them and support WotC through them. Don't buy this 30th anniversary scam crap!!! Ignore it. Don't even watch the inevitable opening on YouTube by Rudy and the rest of the dbag whales. Ignore them, don't give them views, that is money people! Ignore the product, don't touch it, shun those who do and don't be tempted by clickbait online videos that monetize this crap behavior.
Honestly this might be the only thing we can do.
Hasbro has already stated that they plan to increase profits by 50% over the next three years under a new blueprint, all the while their stock value is tanking. I have little doubt that this blasphemy is a sign of things to come. A lot of the good ideas WOTC has come out with have been tainted of late. The List which could have been a good way to slowly pump old chase and staple cards is bloated with chaff. Reintroducing full art lands again to packs would have been a nice why of saying thanks for buying a pack, but they only appear one out of four packs.
I am starting to feel like the victim of a cuckoo bird, I buy legal cards and cracked the occasional pack because I wanted to support the game and community that I have grown to love, but Hasbro/WOTC is just becoming blatantly greedier and demanding more from me without ever really stopping to say thanks for supporting them.
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I am starting to feel like the victim of a cuckoo bird, I buy legal cards and cracked the occasional pack because I wanted to support the game and community that I have grown to love, but Hasbro/WOTC is just becoming blatantly greedier and demanding more from me without ever really stopping to say thanks for supporting them.
You're not supporting some startup that struggles for money, patiently waiting for them to finalize their product while getting nothing in return until, hopefully, some months or years later.
You buy a product that they offer. You give them their money and you receive the goods. It's a very simple consumer-producer relationship. You don't owe them. They don't owe you. My god, the entitelement is strong here.
Is this product a good way to celebrate the 30th anniversary? Haha, hell no. But that doesn't mean that they do it to spite you or don't "appreciate you enough".
don't accept this as normal and absolutely do not buy it. not even the singles.
Exactly. Then take it another step and shun those who do buy it sealed or as secondary singles. Don't play against them and tell them why. Yes that is harsh but its the only thing an individual can do. They are part of the problem, not the solution.
This whole Tolarian professor angle of "just buy singles" and that makes you better or apart from the problem is a fallacy. You still support the whale that bought them and support WotC through them. Don't buy this 30th anniversary scam crap!!! Ignore it. Don't even watch the inevitable opening on YouTube by Rudy and the rest of the dbag whales. Ignore them, don't give them views, that is money people! Ignore the product, don't touch it, shun those who do and don't be tempted by clickbait online videos that monetize this crap behavior.
On the other hand, WOTC sells this product to the scalpers and the scalpers take a big hit- that's a huge win!
You're not supporting some startup that struggles for money, patiently waiting for them to finalize their product while getting nothing in return until, hopefully, some months or years later.
You buy a product that they offer. You give them their money and you receive the goods. It's a very simple consumer-producer relationship. You don't owe them. They don't owe you. My god, the entitelement is strong here.
Is this product a good way to celebrate the 30th anniversary? Haha, hell no. But that doesn't mean that they do it to spite you or don't "appreciate you enough".
We are not talking about a start up nor have any of us, hopefully, paid upfront for this abomination. What we have invested though is time, money, and effort into a hobby for decades by playing the game, building decks, buying product, and spreading the IP to others.
They made it a big deal that this thing was a part of celebrating the thirty years of success. And where did that success come from? I'll give you a hint, just look in the mirror because it's you, me, and everyone else here. So yeah, we should feel very much entitled on a decade milestone because we are the reason they even got there in the first place, we should not feel ashamed about saying we're owed a little something for all the years of support we have given them.
Instead of trying to sell us four packs of random non-legal proxies at $999, they could have said that these proxies would be inserted into the place of the advertisement cards of other packs. We would have been singing their praises, sealed products would be flying off the shelf, and it would have costed WOTC nothing extra.
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I think all of you should focus on the big picture. WOTC took a shot at the RL in a manner that would upset the least amount of collectors. It's a bold step with minimal consequences. Those who can't or won't purchase this still benefit in the long term, by the implications of this product alone. It's better than where we were before - when the RL was untouchable, even by official proxy means. This introduces an out to the RL. As someone who could care less, I only see this as a plus. I was never purchasing a dual land for EDH when so many superior aesthetic options were available (Tangolands, etc.), and I'm sure not shelling out for this either. So it's only a plus for the future possibility of official proxies going forward. Ideally affordable versions.
I'm seriously confused as to why Weakness isn't in this set... does anyone know why?
The subject holding their hands as though they have cerebral palsy combined with the card being named weakness is considered as a negative stereotype of people with disabilities.
The card Weakness is still reprintable, just not with that art and since they are only using original art in the set it was removed.
I am going to start referencing WotC as Grifters of the Coast (GotC) from this point forward.
I and others can complain as much as we want but it isn't going to stop this behavior on their part. Realistically the only option would be to quit the game, never buy another GotC product again and not watch one second or spend a single click on any online content related to GotC (Including this website). Basically act as the game does not exist, quit it cold turkey.
Chances of that happening on a large enough scale to make a dent in profits is practically nonexistent. So this sleazebag behavior from GotC will continue and more than likely expand. They aren't going to quit when they are making bank. They know we are hooked to the game and basically willing thralls. There really is no other option. Maybe Elon Musk (or someone of his ilk) will buy Hasbro out, that's about the only hope. Otherwise its the same old sugar show.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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I'm seriously confused as to why Weakness isn't in this set... does anyone know why?
The subject holding their hands as though they have cerebral palsy combined with the card being named weakness is considered as a negative stereotype of people with disabilities.
The card Weakness is still reprintable, just not with that art and since they are only using original art in the set it was removed.
Ah, that makes sense, thank you for answering. I hadn't made the association with cerebral palsy myself, but if that's the case, I understand.
The 30th anniversary edition is honestly just Magic's version of NFTs/crypto.
They're not "real" Magic cards, and the only people who buy them are doing so in order to eventually resell them for profit.
Some EDH players will want the duals as "official" proxies, but the price tag will make them prohibitively expensive enough that the only EDH players who can afford them will also be able to afford regular duals anyway.
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
I am convinced this is a social experiment, if they will find people that will buy literally anything.
So far they succeeded to sell literally anything to somebody that will gobble it up.
At some point, people have to realize they are mouth feed garbage, their sense of taste is so mutilated that some people even WELCOME this proxy cards, like they provide them some form of value ... i cannot understand these people, they are the definition of brain washed ...
Y'all are ******* funny. This set is a gift to two groups: 1) EDH players in the market for duals who can't quite afford them yet, and 2) investors with deep pockets.
Neither of which really care that these aren't tournament legal.
They stated pretty clearly that duals and duals alone will drop at an accelerated rate (making it VERY obvious the intended purpose of opening these exorbitantly expensive packs). This means that, for a while at least, there will be a cheaper option available for anyone who wants it by buying singles on the secondary market.
Meanwhile this is a limited release product with BANANAS EV, so anyone who can afford to snatch some up and wait a year will see INSANE return on investment. There's potential for this to surpass CE and ICE in terms of RoI.
And of course WotC makes an absolute killing selling cardboard for outrageous prices and giving the whiny brats who defend the reserved list the middle finger (which I think we can all agree is the biggest win here).
It is unfortunate that Legacy/Vintage players get the shaft with this product being non-tournament-legal, but WotC have made it pretty clear they hate those formats already so its nothing to get mad about. Everyone else? This is either something you were never going to be interested in so the crazy price doesn't matter, or its a god-tier windfall.
This set is a gift to two groups: 1) EDH players in the market for duals who can't quite afford them yet, and 2) investors with deep pockets.
Exactly. Why just another whale bait gift for them? GotC gotta make that cash. Don't celebrate and reward those who got you there give em the middle finger instead. Its tiresome, boring and nothing but short sighted.
They could have produced these in 2 varieties. Sequentially numbered collectors versions (potentially in foil or some special treatment) for 1000 bucks and regular player/collector versions for 4 to 10 bucks a pack in "unlimited" numbers. Problem solved. But no, they cater to the dbag whales again. Its reprehensible.
Playing since 1994: Currently MAGS (HomeBrew),Standard & Pauper (Pioneer and Modern are degenerate trash formats)
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Y'all are ******* funny. This set is a gift to two groups: 1) EDH players in the market for duals who can't quite afford them yet, and 2) investors with deep pockets.
Neither of which really care that these aren't tournament legal.
The EDH players that doesnt care of tournament legal proxies already have 1000 much cheapier ways to have their almost-perfectly-real proxies done anyway, so I don't see how this stuff should be interesting for them. Unless they got lots of money, which makes more sense to buy the real thing at this point.
But what is really bothering me is that they could had printed this stuff in gold-bordered precon at reasonable price instead of saying that "gold-border violates the spirit of the reserved list", while this doesn't.
"bindlepunk ha chiesto: Is there an explanation of why Gold Border cards violate the Reserved List online somewhere? If there isn't, can you explain why they violate the Reserved List?
The “non-tournament” loophole was closed many years ago."
Y'all are ******* funny. This set is a gift to two groups: 1) EDH players in the market for duals who can't quite afford them yet, and 2) investors with deep pockets.
Neither of which really care that these aren't tournament legal.
They stated pretty clearly that duals and duals alone will drop at an accelerated rate (making it VERY obvious the intended purpose of opening these exorbitantly expensive packs). This means that, for a while at least, there will be a cheaper option available for anyone who wants it by buying singles on the secondary market.
Meanwhile this is a limited release product with BANANAS EV, so anyone who can afford to snatch some up and wait a year will see INSANE return on investment. There's potential for this to surpass CE and ICE in terms of RoI.
And of course WotC makes an absolute killing selling cardboard for outrageous prices and giving the whiny brats who defend the reserved list the middle finger (which I think we can all agree is the biggest win here).
It is unfortunate that Legacy/Vintage players get the shaft with this product being non-tournament-legal, but WotC have made it pretty clear they hate those formats already so its nothing to get mad about. Everyone else? This is either something you were never going to be interested in so the crazy price doesn't matter, or its a god-tier windfall.
Assuming these are mostly for dual proxies for commander, here's some math:
With 1.3 rares per pack and 20 of 124 rares being dual lands (twice as many of them in 114 rares), there are 0.16 dual lands per pack.
If you buy the $1000 4 packs, you will get, on average, 0.64 dual lands.
The average price per dual land is therefore about $1550, substantially more than a white bordered or collectors' edition dual, but cheaper than an Alpha or Beta one.
You can factor in the power 9, but you could also go buy a Collectors' Edition Black Lotus right now for $5000. These are absolutely not a good investment at this price point and comparing them to the collectors edition, which retailed for about $50 in 1993 for the entire set, should make this obvious.
I think all of you should focus on the big picture. WOTC took a shot at the RL in a manner that would upset the least amount of collectors. It's a bold step with minimal consequences. Those who can't or won't purchase this still benefit in the long term, by the implications of this product alone. It's better than where we were before - when the RL was untouchable, even by official proxy means. This introduces an out to the RL. As someone who could care less, I only see this as a plus. I was never purchasing a dual land for EDH when so many superior aesthetic options were available (Tangolands, etc.), and I'm sure not shelling out for this either. So it's only a plus for the future possibility of official proxies going forward. Ideally affordable versions.
Dn't think people care about this all too much with all the anger floating around.
Y'all are ******* funny. This set is a gift to two groups: 1) EDH players in the market for duals who can't quite afford them yet, and 2) investors with deep pockets.
Neither of which really care that these aren't tournament legal.
They stated pretty clearly that duals and duals alone will drop at an accelerated rate (making it VERY obvious the intended purpose of opening these exorbitantly expensive packs). This means that, for a while at least, there will be a cheaper option available for anyone who wants it by buying singles on the secondary market.
Meanwhile this is a limited release product with BANANAS EV, so anyone who can afford to snatch some up and wait a year will see INSANE return on investment. There's potential for this to surpass CE and ICE in terms of RoI.
And of course WotC makes an absolute killing selling cardboard for outrageous prices and giving the whiny brats who defend the reserved list the middle finger (which I think we can all agree is the biggest win here).
It is unfortunate that Legacy/Vintage players get the shaft with this product being non-tournament-legal, but WotC have made it pretty clear they hate those formats already so its nothing to get mad about. Everyone else? This is either something you were never going to be interested in so the crazy price doesn't matter, or its a god-tier windfall.
Assuming these are mostly for dual proxies for commander, here's some math:
With 1.3 rares per pack and 20 of 124 rares being dual lands (twice as many of them in 114 rares), there are 0.16 dual lands per pack.
If you buy the $1000 4 packs, you will get, on average, 0.64 dual lands.
The average price per dual land is therefore about $1550, substantially more than a white bordered or collectors' edition dual, but cheaper than an Alpha or Beta one.
You can factor in the power 9, but you could also go buy a Collectors' Edition Black Lotus right now for $5000. These are absolutely not a good investment at this price point and comparing them to the collectors edition, which retailed for about $50 in 1993 for the entire set, should make this obvious.
Exactly. If you can afford to buy these packs, then you can afford to buy actual dual lands.
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
By that definition all boosters are abuse, fraud and exploitation, which is totally an argument you could make, don't get me wrong (I personally don't agree with it, but I can see where it is coming from) but this new product changes nothing about it. The boosters don't work differently. It's not like WotC is lying to their buyers about the playability of the cards. It behaves like any booster product. It's simply more expensive, but fundamentally there is no difference.
Man, I refuse to die on any hill defending this product at all, but claiming this is Literally Evil(TM) is just laughable. Don't buy it, move on.
Oh, those poor, poor rich people.
Look, I don't want 60 randomized proxies for $1000, so I'm not going to buy them and I wouldn't recommend them to anyone else - look at the market value of the World Champ deck cards nearly 20 years later. These aren't going to be worth it monetarily and I don't see them being much fun to play with.
That said, acting like this is some great predatory scheme perpetrated by Wizards is a little over the top. It's a stupid product, yes, but just acknowledge that and don't buy it. Not sure about you, but I don't actually see people blowing their life savings on Magic cards. I know people that have felt it was too expensive and quit, but that's about as far as it goes. I'm not gonna cry if someone with too much money feels like buying something silly - that's their choice.
Where there might be some legit cause for concern is the direct-to-consumer model. It's an extension of the Secret Lair model and selling randomized booster products that way seems like a step in the wrong direction.
Honestly this might be the only thing we can do.
Hasbro has already stated that they plan to increase profits by 50% over the next three years under a new blueprint, all the while their stock value is tanking. I have little doubt that this blasphemy is a sign of things to come. A lot of the good ideas WOTC has come out with have been tainted of late. The List which could have been a good way to slowly pump old chase and staple cards is bloated with chaff. Reintroducing full art lands again to packs would have been a nice why of saying thanks for buying a pack, but they only appear one out of four packs.
I am starting to feel like the victim of a cuckoo bird, I buy legal cards and cracked the occasional pack because I wanted to support the game and community that I have grown to love, but Hasbro/WOTC is just becoming blatantly greedier and demanding more from me without ever really stopping to say thanks for supporting them.
You're not supporting some startup that struggles for money, patiently waiting for them to finalize their product while getting nothing in return until, hopefully, some months or years later.
You buy a product that they offer. You give them their money and you receive the goods. It's a very simple consumer-producer relationship. You don't owe them. They don't owe you. My god, the entitelement is strong here.
Is this product a good way to celebrate the 30th anniversary? Haha, hell no. But that doesn't mean that they do it to spite you or don't "appreciate you enough".
On the other hand, WOTC sells this product to the scalpers and the scalpers take a big hit- that's a huge win!
We are not talking about a start up nor have any of us, hopefully, paid upfront for this abomination. What we have invested though is time, money, and effort into a hobby for decades by playing the game, building decks, buying product, and spreading the IP to others.
They made it a big deal that this thing was a part of celebrating the thirty years of success. And where did that success come from? I'll give you a hint, just look in the mirror because it's you, me, and everyone else here. So yeah, we should feel very much entitled on a decade milestone because we are the reason they even got there in the first place, we should not feel ashamed about saying we're owed a little something for all the years of support we have given them.
Instead of trying to sell us four packs of random non-legal proxies at $999, they could have said that these proxies would be inserted into the place of the advertisement cards of other packs. We would have been singing their praises, sealed products would be flying off the shelf, and it would have costed WOTC nothing extra.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
The subject holding their hands as though they have cerebral palsy combined with the card being named weakness is considered as a negative stereotype of people with disabilities.
The card Weakness is still reprintable, just not with that art and since they are only using original art in the set it was removed.
I and others can complain as much as we want but it isn't going to stop this behavior on their part. Realistically the only option would be to quit the game, never buy another GotC product again and not watch one second or spend a single click on any online content related to GotC (Including this website). Basically act as the game does not exist, quit it cold turkey.
Chances of that happening on a large enough scale to make a dent in profits is practically nonexistent. So this sleazebag behavior from GotC will continue and more than likely expand. They aren't going to quit when they are making bank. They know we are hooked to the game and basically willing thralls. There really is no other option. Maybe Elon Musk (or someone of his ilk) will buy Hasbro out, that's about the only hope. Otherwise its the same old sugar show.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Let me get this straight: you're hoping ELON MUSK is going to rescue you from corporate greed?
They're not "real" Magic cards, and the only people who buy them are doing so in order to eventually resell them for profit.
Some EDH players will want the duals as "official" proxies, but the price tag will make them prohibitively expensive enough that the only EDH players who can afford them will also be able to afford regular duals anyway.
So far they succeeded to sell literally anything to somebody that will gobble it up.
At some point, people have to realize they are mouth feed garbage, their sense of taste is so mutilated that some people even WELCOME this proxy cards, like they provide them some form of value ... i cannot understand these people, they are the definition of brain washed ...
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Neither of which really care that these aren't tournament legal.
They stated pretty clearly that duals and duals alone will drop at an accelerated rate (making it VERY obvious the intended purpose of opening these exorbitantly expensive packs). This means that, for a while at least, there will be a cheaper option available for anyone who wants it by buying singles on the secondary market.
Meanwhile this is a limited release product with BANANAS EV, so anyone who can afford to snatch some up and wait a year will see INSANE return on investment. There's potential for this to surpass CE and ICE in terms of RoI.
And of course WotC makes an absolute killing selling cardboard for outrageous prices and giving the whiny brats who defend the reserved list the middle finger (which I think we can all agree is the biggest win here).
It is unfortunate that Legacy/Vintage players get the shaft with this product being non-tournament-legal, but WotC have made it pretty clear they hate those formats already so its nothing to get mad about. Everyone else? This is either something you were never going to be interested in so the crazy price doesn't matter, or its a god-tier windfall.
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the $1,000 just got even stupider now you have to rule 0 those cards for commander now they not legal
Exactly. Why just another whale bait gift for them? GotC gotta make that cash. Don't celebrate and reward those who got you there give em the middle finger instead. Its tiresome, boring and nothing but short sighted.
They could have produced these in 2 varieties. Sequentially numbered collectors versions (potentially in foil or some special treatment) for 1000 bucks and regular player/collector versions for 4 to 10 bucks a pack in "unlimited" numbers. Problem solved. But no, they cater to the dbag whales again. Its reprehensible.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
The EDH players that doesnt care of tournament legal proxies already have 1000 much cheapier ways to have their almost-perfectly-real proxies done anyway, so I don't see how this stuff should be interesting for them. Unless they got lots of money, which makes more sense to buy the real thing at this point.
But what is really bothering me is that they could had printed this stuff in gold-bordered precon at reasonable price instead of saying that "gold-border violates the spirit of the reserved list", while this doesn't.
"bindlepunk ha chiesto: Is there an explanation of why Gold Border cards violate the Reserved List online somewhere? If there isn't, can you explain why they violate the Reserved List?
The “non-tournament” loophole was closed many years ago."
https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/158138733853/is-there-an-explanation-of-why-gold-border-cards
https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/29540716354/could-wizards-reprint-the-gold-bordered
https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/158090544598/do-gold-bordered-reprints-violate-the-reserved
WHAT. THE. F*CK.
Assuming these are mostly for dual proxies for commander, here's some math:
With 1.3 rares per pack and 20 of 124 rares being dual lands (twice as many of them in 114 rares), there are 0.16 dual lands per pack.
If you buy the $1000 4 packs, you will get, on average, 0.64 dual lands.
The average price per dual land is therefore about $1550, substantially more than a white bordered or collectors' edition dual, but cheaper than an Alpha or Beta one.
You can factor in the power 9, but you could also go buy a Collectors' Edition Black Lotus right now for $5000. These are absolutely not a good investment at this price point and comparing them to the collectors edition, which retailed for about $50 in 1993 for the entire set, should make this obvious.
Pretty sure they proved that when some people actually bought Double Feature.
Exactly. If you can afford to buy these packs, then you can afford to buy actual dual lands.
Nobody must have believed them so now they are running the experiment again.
On another note there has been a rise in people switching to proxies because of this.
Based on what empyrical data? I would really love to see this data.