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EDIT: Nevermind, read it too quickly and thought two go to the grave, shuffle is not nearly as good
It's too bad it's not instant speed or search for different names as opposed to powers
Seems a bit restrictive and underwhelming as is
This card seems really good on first inspection. I think Standard G creature heavy decks (most all of them anyway) are going to want this at least of 3 of maybe a 4 of.
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This card seems really good on first inspection. I think Standard G creature heavy decks (most all of them anyway) are going to want this at least of 3 of maybe a 4 of.
3 mana to get an Ascendant Packleader and a Llanowar Loamspeaker? We'll see what happens after rotation, but the 4 different powers requirement would make it pretty hard to get good value from this in current mono green builds. The builds I've seen are literally all 2, 3 and 4 power creatures, with some people still running Jaspera Sentinel or Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider.
oh boy…that’s number three for gifts ungiven cards (the second is realms uncharted) and all 3 are in the same dang pose
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Seems decent for those creature heavy midrange decks in Standard (it's pretty easy to grab Shivan Devastator along with a 3, 4, and 5), and maybe some EDH decks and lower powered cubes will like this. Won't really make many waves outside of those formats, though.
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
I am also thinking mainly in Gx builds (in Standard), not just mono G. Restocking your hand with more big beasties seems pretty decent.
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I am also thinking mainly in Gx builds (in Standard), not just mono G. Restocking your hand with more big beasties seems pretty decent.
Yeah but you need 4 creatures with different powers to look for and you get the worst two of those 4. Storm the Festival just seems like a far, far better card.
I am also thinking mainly in Gx builds (in Standard), not just mono G. Restocking your hand with more big beasties seems pretty decent.
Yeah but you need 4 creatures with different powers to look for and you get the worst two of those 4. Storm the Festival just seems like a far, far better card.
It is but it does cost twice the mana. It will take the right build but it seems decent. Again a build where you give the opponent 4 choices and any of them will benefit you, doesn't matter what they choose.
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I am also thinking mainly in Gx builds (in Standard), not just mono G. Restocking your hand with more big beasties seems pretty decent.
Yeah but you need 4 creatures with different powers to look for and you get the worst two of those 4. Storm the Festival just seems like a far, far better card.
It is but it does cost twice the mana. It will take the right build but it seems decent. Again a build where you give the opponent 4 choices and any of them will benefit you, doesn't matter what they choose.
I think the restriction here makes that much harder to do in general and it's not clear that the right combination of four creatures will exist in Standard to make this worth it. Storm the Festival costs twice the mana for the spell, but if you're only getting 3 mana worth of creatures out of this, it's not worth it so you want to be spending more overall.
Another thing to note: in addition to caring about power instead of name, it also differs from Gifts Ungiven by shuffling the chosen cards into your library.
If this was 2G, search for two creatures cards with different powers, reveal and put into your hand, how good would it even be? This is significantly worse than that. Not putting the unchosen cards into the graveyard is a major break from the previous two cards in the family, and ruins any fun with it.
I am also thinking mainly in Gx builds (in Standard), not just mono G. Restocking your hand with more big beasties seems pretty decent.
Yeah but you need 4 creatures with different powers to look for and you get the worst two of those 4. Storm the Festival just seems like a far, far better card.
One thing that may change the target mix for this is kicker on cheap creatures. With the right mix of 1/1 kicks into 4/4, 2/2 kicks into 4/4 etc. you're guaranteed 2 good picks for t4 and t5 plays. I'm not saying this is as good Gifts, but I think it could be a fair tool.
I'm probably in the minority here but I actually prefer that it returns the other two creatures to the deck. This is perfect for my Sea Monster deck, which doesn't have many means of recovering cards from the grave, but loves to tutor the creatures. I may add more grave recovery at some point, but I still prefer the card to return the creatures to deck. 2 creatures for 3 mana is amazing for me I certainly want this card.
I am also thinking mainly in Gx builds (in Standard), not just mono G. Restocking your hand with more big beasties seems pretty decent.
Yeah but you need 4 creatures with different powers to look for and you get the worst two of those 4. Storm the Festival just seems like a far, far better card.
It is but it does cost twice the mana. It will take the right build but it seems decent. Again a build where you give the opponent 4 choices and any of them will benefit you, doesn't matter what they choose.
I think the restriction here makes that much harder to do in general and it's not clear that the right combination of four creatures will exist in Standard to make this worth it. Storm the Festival costs twice the mana for the spell, but if you're only getting 3 mana worth of creatures out of this, it's not worth it so you want to be spending more overall.
Another thing to note: in addition to caring about power instead of name, it also differs from Gifts Ungiven by shuffling the chosen cards into your library.
I think a lot of people are going to sleep on this one so I am going to play the heck out of it and enjoy the results. It will take a careful build to maximize it but there are a lot of R and M creatures in Standard (and more to come) that will feel pretty good stuffing into my hand as my opponent has to choose the flavor of their demise.
I think this one is a sleeper. We aren't talking absolute constructed bomb here of course, something lesser but solid nonetheless.
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Honestly, Threats Undetected is looking better at tutoring for 1 creature card role and getting some kind of bonus with it than tutoring for 2 creature card roles at once. (In Modern BG Yawgmoth, you can guarantee getting at least 1 Undying dude with it...and likely getting some 0-power punk like Blood Artist. You pretty much cannot tutor for Yawgmoth, Thran Physician with it...I think.)
Y'all are overthinking it. Yes, it looks like gifts ungiven, but it is divination that (nearly) always draws two threats. Sold.
In limited, sure. Who is playing divination+ in a green deck outside of limited?
Look at current green stompy in standard - what spells are worth cutting for it, and how do you propose to mix up the creature base so it can actually get 4 different cards? (Just looking at current green stompy, all the creature cards are powers 2, 3 or 4. Yes I realize standard is rotating so creature mix will have to change anyway, but just giving this as an example of a current green deck that might want to play this.)
If you think this fits in any deck with creatures, you're underthinking it.
one of my favorite cards in the set so far, mostly because when i jam it into prime speaker zegana there's going to be at least one game where i just need that last combo piece and get to make them choose between cloud of faeries, peregrine drake, great whale, and palinchron
Honestly, Threats Undetected is looking better at tutoring for 1 creature card role and getting some kind of bonus with it than tutoring for 2 creature card roles at once. (In Modern BG Yawgmoth, you can guarantee getting at least 1 Undying dude with it...and likely getting some 0-power punk like Blood Artist. You pretty much cannot tutor for Yawgmoth, Thran Physician with it...I think.)
I could definitely see it being useful with enough redundant effects. Pretty unlikely for that situation to come up in Standard, but I could see it in eternal formats - especially commander where people are already running several redundant effects.
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oh boy…that’s number three for gifts ungiven cards (the second is realms uncharted) and all 3 are in the same dang pose
(Luckily this one is sorcery speed)
so what Impossible to pick correctly combinations can we think of when it comes to creatures
Yeah this should be another color other than green or blue to make them a cycle
The Mimeoplasm approves!EDIT: Nevermind, read it too quickly and thought two go to the grave, shuffle is not nearly as good
It's too bad it's not instant speed or search for different names as opposed to powers
Seems a bit restrictive and underwhelming as is
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Actually, Modern 4c Yorion can probably just tutor for value with Omnath, Locus of Creation, Ice-Fang Coatl/Emrakul, the Promised End, Eternal Witness/Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer, and Fury/Solitude/Endurance.
3 mana to get an Ascendant Packleader and a Llanowar Loamspeaker? We'll see what happens after rotation, but the 4 different powers requirement would make it pretty hard to get good value from this in current mono green builds. The builds I've seen are literally all 2, 3 and 4 power creatures, with some people still running Jaspera Sentinel or Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider.
Gee, thanks for this shocking revelation
Seems decent for those creature heavy midrange decks in Standard (it's pretty easy to grab Shivan Devastator along with a 3, 4, and 5), and maybe some EDH decks and lower powered cubes will like this. Won't really make many waves outside of those formats, though.
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Yeah but you need 4 creatures with different powers to look for and you get the worst two of those 4. Storm the Festival just seems like a far, far better card.
It is but it does cost twice the mana. It will take the right build but it seems decent. Again a build where you give the opponent 4 choices and any of them will benefit you, doesn't matter what they choose.
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I think the restriction here makes that much harder to do in general and it's not clear that the right combination of four creatures will exist in Standard to make this worth it. Storm the Festival costs twice the mana for the spell, but if you're only getting 3 mana worth of creatures out of this, it's not worth it so you want to be spending more overall.
Another thing to note: in addition to caring about power instead of name, it also differs from Gifts Ungiven by shuffling the chosen cards into your library.
One thing that may change the target mix for this is kicker on cheap creatures. With the right mix of 1/1 kicks into 4/4, 2/2 kicks into 4/4 etc. you're guaranteed 2 good picks for t4 and t5 plays. I'm not saying this is as good Gifts, but I think it could be a fair tool.
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I think a lot of people are going to sleep on this one so I am going to play the heck out of it and enjoy the results. It will take a careful build to maximize it but there are a lot of R and M creatures in Standard (and more to come) that will feel pretty good stuffing into my hand as my opponent has to choose the flavor of their demise.
I think this one is a sleeper. We aren't talking absolute constructed bomb here of course, something lesser but solid nonetheless.
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Honestly, Threats Undetected is looking better at tutoring for 1 creature card role and getting some kind of bonus with it than tutoring for 2 creature card roles at once. (In Modern BG Yawgmoth, you can guarantee getting at least 1 Undying dude with it...and likely getting some 0-power punk like Blood Artist. You pretty much cannot tutor for Yawgmoth, Thran Physician with it...I think.)
In limited, sure. Who is playing divination+ in a green deck outside of limited?
Look at current green stompy in standard - what spells are worth cutting for it, and how do you propose to mix up the creature base so it can actually get 4 different cards? (Just looking at current green stompy, all the creature cards are powers 2, 3 or 4. Yes I realize standard is rotating so creature mix will have to change anyway, but just giving this as an example of a current green deck that might want to play this.)
If you think this fits in any deck with creatures, you're underthinking it.
Interesting card. I mean it is a creature tutor to some extent for green. Just find your most powerful threats and hope they choose (un)wisely.
I still want it strictly for the art though.
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I could definitely see it being useful with enough redundant effects. Pretty unlikely for that situation to come up in Standard, but I could see it in eternal formats - especially commander where people are already running several redundant effects.