Will they destroy the Pradesh Gypsies? Do two wrongs make a right?
I expect that they will not be put into packs, though I don't know where they will go.
Also, the box toppers are going to be the redone legends, and that there will be 48 20 of them.
Also, the commander decks are 5 color and Mardu. I hope the 5 colored one gives us a planeswalker or planeswalker-matters commander to play superfriends with.
With seeing Tor Wauki (the Younger), that means the guy who fought alongside Tetsuo Umezawa, I REALLY hope we are gonna the Legends II characters. Tetsuo, Xira, Ramses, Kei, Halfdane, Kolo Meha....
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The 5-color Commander deck is called "Painbow" , so chances are we get 5 pain lands in there, or all 10 even.
Might have phyrexian mana cards too, stuff like that, its a 5-color precon, and they always had somewhat terrible mana lands, but need something to provide 5 colors.
I'm betting that the Cabal rituals Braids back from dementia space, but as with anything from that dimension, she'll be back as a nightmare horror version. I'm stoked that she's back, I wasn't happy with how she died, so I'm glad she's getting a second chance at "life." Hope her card is good bc my mind and body are ready for her to be a new commander lol.
It took Yawgmoth (with all his 9 Spheres) 9,000 years to prepare and launch a Phyrexian invasion of Dominaria.
And Sheoldred thinks she's going to do it just five years after New Phyrexia became a thing?
Ludicrous. Impossible. There needs to be a timeskip, or something to make this plot work out. If New Phyrexia is invading Dominaria, WotC has to explain how Elesh Norn managed in 5 years what took Yawgmoth millennia.
I'm stoked for Phyrexia to be back in the story. But from a storyline and timeline perspective, I'm finding these developments hard to swallow.
Scars of Mirrodin/Mirrodin Beseiged/New Phyrexia feels like a long time ago to us, the players. From our real-world, human standpoint, that was an entire decade ago, and we've been waiting all those years for this plotline to pay off. But 3 years of MTG sets equates (on average) to 1 year in storyline progress, and from the in-world perspective, Phyrexia practically conquered Mirrodin yesterday. How is it already competitive on Dominaria?
There needs to be a timeskip. Preferably a long one. Even Nicol Bolas needed 60 years to set up his final bid for Multiversal conquest leading to the War of the Spark. A post-Mending timeskip helped make that believable.
But if New Phyrexia is already playing to win on Dominaria after five measly years of existence, then **** it. Elesh Norn > Yawgmoth AND Bolas, and she deserves to win.
She's assumed dead after being stuck in her own dementia space, because no one can survive being there for hundreds of years... right?
This is the issue: she wasn't just "assumed" dead. She was stated, literally, explicitly, to be dead. Here's the text from the Scourge novel, after she retreats into dementia space for the last time upon being buried alive:
"And then she was simply dead."
Even in a world of magic, resurrecting characters is a thorny issue. It starts to feel like Star Wars, where death has become cheap because anyone can be jerked back out from the grave on a corporate whim.
It took Yawgmoth (with all his 9 Spheres) 9,000 years to prepare and launch a Phyrexian invasion of Dominaria.
And Sheoldred thinks she's going to do it just five years after New Phyrexia became a thing?
Ludicrous. Impossible. There needs to be a timeskip, or something to make this plot work out. If New Phyrexia is invading Dominaria, WotC has to explain how Elesh Norn managed in 5 years what took Yawgmoth millennia.
I'm stoked for Phyrexia to be back in the story. But from a storyline and timeline perspective, I'm finding these developments hard to swallow.
Scars of Mirrodin/Mirrodin Beseiged/New Phyrexia feels like a long time ago to us, the players. From our real-world, human standpoint, that was an entire decade ago, and we've been waiting all those years for this plotline to pay off. But 3 years of MTG sets equates (on average) to 1 year in storyline progress, and from the in-world perspective, Phyrexia practically conquered Mirrodin yesterday. How is it already competitive on Dominaria?
There needs to be a timeskip. Preferably a long one. Even Nicol Bolas needed 60 years to set up his final bid for Multiversal conquest leading to the War of the Spark. A post-Mending timeskip helped make that believable.
But if New Phyrexia is already playing to win on Dominaria after five measly years of existence, then **** it. Elesh Norn > Yawgmoth AND Bolas, and she deserves to win.
She's assumed dead after being stuck in her own dementia space, because no one can survive being there for hundreds of years... right?
This is the issue: she wasn't just "assumed" dead. She was stated, literally, explicitly, to be dead. Here's the text from the Scourge novel, after she retreats into dementia space for the last time upon being buried alive:
"And then she was simply dead."
Even in a world of magic, resurrecting characters is a thorny issue. It starts to feel like Star Wars, where death has become cheap because anyone can be jerked back out from the grave on a corporate whim.
I can KINDA overlook the speed with which Sheoldred is making a move. Big Yawg took millenia to make it to Dominaria because he A) didn't have access to portal tech, B) took some really long-spanning plots like the Rathi overlay, and C) had pre-mending god-tier Planeswalkers actively aware of and opposing him. Sheoldred has the planar bridge via Tezzeret and now access to both her own planeswalkers and the ability to make more, plus the advantage of having nerfed 'walkers that are having to contend with her. Based on the fact that we've already seen one sleeper agent card from the set, she's also able to apparently take advantage of phyrexian assets that are still on Dominaria from previous eras.
Safe to say that Elesh Norn, Sheoldred and the rest of NP are starting off from a better position of power that Yawgmoth was thousands of years ago, so they are better equipped to make a move sooner. Having portal tech from the jump and having the evened playing field of 'walkers on both sides is a massive upgrade over original Phyrexia alone.
It took Yawgmoth (with all his 9 Spheres) 9,000 years to prepare and launch a Phyrexian invasion of Dominaria.
And Sheoldred thinks she's going to do it just five years after New Phyrexia became a thing?
Ludicrous. Impossible. There needs to be a timeskip, or something to make this plot work out. If New Phyrexia is invading Dominaria, WotC has to explain how Elesh Norn managed in 5 years what took Yawgmoth millennia.
There needs to be a timeskip. Preferably a long one. Even Nicol Bolas needed 60 years to set up his final bid for Multiversal conquest leading to the War of the Spark. A post-Mending timeskip helped make that believable.
But if New Phyrexia is already playing to win on Dominaria after five measly years of existence, then **** it. Elesh Norn > Yawgmoth AND Bolas, and she deserves to win.
There are two simple answers for why this works. One, Yawgmoth was building an army to fight literal gods as he knew multiple planeswalkers called it home and if not for Urza's direct opposition he was massively over-prepared. Two, most of that time was R&D which according to certain bits of lore carried over in the oil. If you don't like the super oil that's a thing but it's been there not quite the whole time but the whole New Phyrexia arc at least.
So long story short. It didn't take Yawgmoth 9,000 years to make his army. It took him that long to Design and craft his army. With a long long time spent on design.
I lol'd when I saw the "lost legends" story unfold. It instantly reminded me of that old rumour about a few thousand ET Atari cartridges buried in the desert, which were found a few years back. Oh and the "long lost Ice Age set" (Coldsnap) thing too.
They probably had those commissioned strictly for this particular product. No way they had that many unsold, unopened Legends OG booster boxes laying around in some weird-ass "Warehouse" location in the middle of Butt****, WA.
Big disappointment: NO RETRO FRAMES! LIKE GOLLY GEE OMGWTFBBQ BATMAN!
- Pretty cool to see rehashes of older legends (yay Jasmine Boreal!)
- I guess this means Kicker is deciduous then? Fitting they put it in as it originated in Invasion, a Dominaria-focused set and critical point in the Weatherlight Saga. It won't be leaving Standard for another season...
- Sheoldred So does these next 4 sets on Dominaria act as the conclusion to the Phyrexian arc, or is it only a substory in the grand story arc that's going on now?
Resurrecting Braids? I dunno...that seems like a very Soap-Opera-ish type of story plot. Unless she has an unknown (more) evil twin that came back to settle stuff.
I lol'd when I saw the "lost legends" story unfold. It instantly reminded me of that old rumour about a few thousand ET Atari cartridges buried in the desert, which were found a few years back. Oh and the "long lost Ice Age set" (Coldsnap) thing too.
They probably had those commissioned strictly for this particular product. No way they had that many unsold, unopened Legends OG booster boxes laying around in some weird-ass "Warehouse" location in the middle of Butt****, WA.
I've worked in warehouses before. Stuff like this happens all the time. At the rate the Legends cards are being released in Collector Boosters, it doesn't seem worth the logistics or just the monetary costs of replicating decades-old printer and ink, finding and/or reusing old printing presses, rebuilding the pre-Mirage card stock, then fake re-sealing some. They would make so much more money if this was every collector booster, and so much more if it's also in set boosters. Why hold back now?
I lol'd when I saw the "lost legends" story unfold. It instantly reminded me of that old rumour about a few thousand ET Atari cartridges buried in the desert, which were found a few years back. Oh and the "long lost Ice Age set" (Coldsnap) thing too.
They probably had those commissioned strictly for this particular product. No way they had that many unsold, unopened Legends OG booster boxes laying around in some weird-ass "Warehouse" location in the middle of Butt****, WA.
I've worked in warehouses before. Stuff like this happens all the time. At the rate the Legends cards are being released in Collector Boosters, it doesn't seem worth the logistics or just the monetary costs of replicating decades-old printer and ink, finding and/or reusing old printing presses, rebuilding the pre-Mirage card stock, then fake re-sealing some. They would make so much more money if this was every collector booster, and so much more if it's also in set boosters. Why hold back now?
There's an argument they don't want to get caught or something, but the printing technology neccessary to make perfectly accurate Legends cards with no nice black printing information bar doesn't exist. List/Mystery Booster cards are close, but it'd be easy to tell if the Legends cards were reprints even without the planeswalker stamp.
Please, mill me. Mill my important cards. Mill my lands. Mill it all. Because I will still deal 20 damage before you can mill 45 cards most every time.
It took Yawgmoth (with all his 9 Spheres) 9,000 years to prepare and launch a Phyrexian invasion of Dominaria.
And Sheoldred thinks she's going to do it just five years after New Phyrexia became a thing?
Consider this: It took 5000 years for mankind to put a person into space. Now we do it multiple times a year.
New Phyrexia is standing on the shoulders of a giant here: They have all the technological advances of Phyrexia gifted to them. And they aren't starting at zero exactly. "Five years ago" they already successfully conquered Argentum after incubation in its hollow core.
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I expect that they will not be put into packs, though I don't know where they will go.
Also, the box toppers are going to be the redone legends, and that there will be
4820 of them.Also, the commander decks are 5 color and Mardu. I hope the 5 colored one gives us a planeswalker or planeswalker-matters commander to play superfriends with.
Sheoldred confirmed alive!
4 down 1 to go for the super cycle of new praetors
so my first guess was very likely right Braids might have been compleated by sheoldred
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Braids is dead for several hundred years.
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She looks alive here.
then how do you explain this?
infact literally shown on the stream
Might have phyrexian mana cards too, stuff like that, its a 5-color precon, and they always had somewhat terrible mana lands, but need something to provide 5 colors.
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And Sheoldred thinks she's going to do it just five years after New Phyrexia became a thing?
Ludicrous. Impossible. There needs to be a timeskip, or something to make this plot work out. If New Phyrexia is invading Dominaria, WotC has to explain how Elesh Norn managed in 5 years what took Yawgmoth millennia.
I'm stoked for Phyrexia to be back in the story. But from a storyline and timeline perspective, I'm finding these developments hard to swallow.
Scars of Mirrodin/Mirrodin Beseiged/New Phyrexia feels like a long time ago to us, the players. From our real-world, human standpoint, that was an entire decade ago, and we've been waiting all those years for this plotline to pay off. But 3 years of MTG sets equates (on average) to 1 year in storyline progress, and from the in-world perspective, Phyrexia practically conquered Mirrodin yesterday. How is it already competitive on Dominaria?
There needs to be a timeskip. Preferably a long one. Even Nicol Bolas needed 60 years to set up his final bid for Multiversal conquest leading to the War of the Spark. A post-Mending timeskip helped make that believable.
But if New Phyrexia is already playing to win on Dominaria after five measly years of existence, then **** it. Elesh Norn > Yawgmoth AND Bolas, and she deserves to win.
This is the issue: she wasn't just "assumed" dead. She was stated, literally, explicitly, to be dead. Here's the text from the Scourge novel, after she retreats into dementia space for the last time upon being buried alive:
"And then she was simply dead."
Even in a world of magic, resurrecting characters is a thorny issue. It starts to feel like Star Wars, where death has become cheap because anyone can be jerked back out from the grave on a corporate whim.
I can KINDA overlook the speed with which Sheoldred is making a move. Big Yawg took millenia to make it to Dominaria because he A) didn't have access to portal tech, B) took some really long-spanning plots like the Rathi overlay, and C) had pre-mending god-tier Planeswalkers actively aware of and opposing him. Sheoldred has the planar bridge via Tezzeret and now access to both her own planeswalkers and the ability to make more, plus the advantage of having nerfed 'walkers that are having to contend with her. Based on the fact that we've already seen one sleeper agent card from the set, she's also able to apparently take advantage of phyrexian assets that are still on Dominaria from previous eras.
Safe to say that Elesh Norn, Sheoldred and the rest of NP are starting off from a better position of power that Yawgmoth was thousands of years ago, so they are better equipped to make a move sooner. Having portal tech from the jump and having the evened playing field of 'walkers on both sides is a massive upgrade over original Phyrexia alone.
So long story short. It didn't take Yawgmoth 9,000 years to make his army. It took him that long to Design and craft his army. With a long long time spent on design.
They probably had those commissioned strictly for this particular product. No way they had that many unsold, unopened Legends OG booster boxes laying around in some weird-ass "Warehouse" location in the middle of Butt****, WA.
Big disappointment: NO RETRO FRAMES! LIKE GOLLY GEE OMGWTFBBQ BATMAN!
- Pretty cool to see rehashes of older legends (yay Jasmine Boreal!)
- I guess this means Kicker is deciduous then? Fitting they put it in as it originated in Invasion, a Dominaria-focused set and critical point in the Weatherlight Saga. It won't be leaving Standard for another season...
- Sheoldred So does these next 4 sets on Dominaria act as the conclusion to the Phyrexian arc, or is it only a substory in the grand story arc that's going on now?
Resurrecting Braids? I dunno...that seems like a very Soap-Opera-ish type of story plot. Unless she has an unknown (more) evil twin that came back to settle stuff.
Interesting cards so far. But I want more. MOAR!
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Consider this: It took 5000 years for mankind to put a person into space. Now we do it multiple times a year.
New Phyrexia is standing on the shoulders of a giant here: They have all the technological advances of Phyrexia gifted to them. And they aren't starting at zero exactly. "Five years ago" they already successfully conquered Argentum after incubation in its hollow core.
Finally a good white villain quote: "So, do I ever re-evaluate my life choices? Never, because I know what I'm doing is a righteous cause."
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