Note: we have day 0 errata on the ability. It now says "2, T: When you next cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets only a single opponent or a single permanent an opponent controls this turn, for each other opponent, choose that player or a permanent they control, copy that spell, and the copy targets the chosen player or permanent."
There's our Maro's Teaser revelation -> Tiefling Warrior. A 4/2 haste for 4 but really 6 to use its ability. Yay?
I'm really surprised there aren't any mentions of Level Up in this. I mean it's based off an extremely well-known RPG. It totally fits the theme! (I think we did see some mention of Party in the leaks though right?)
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There's our Maro's Teaser revelation -> Tiefling Warrior. A 4/2 haste for 4 but really 6 to use its ability. Yay?
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Just if you use it the turn you play it, or did you misread the number? Not trying to be an ass just trying to understand the 6 lol.
Reading the text feels a bit like I'm having a stroke, but it actually checks out as straight forward and easy to understand heh.
4 mana to cast. 2 to activate. 4+2 = 6. If I didn't state it as such then I apologize.
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People often say "X for first use", not "X for using the ability" which is where the confusion came from.
Either way it doesn't seems to be an unreasonable price, 6 mana to Fork twice but you also get a 4/2? Sure there are some restrictions in play here but those are negligible when compared to the fact said 4/2 can also generate even more card advantage.
Can someone enlighten us about why the "only" is needed as errata? How does functionality change without it? It's still a single player or permanent...
Can someone enlighten us about why the "only" is needed as errata? How does functionality change without it? It's still a single player or permanent...
Without the only it can target other things, but not in that class. So now you can only target a single opponent, but before you could target a single opponent and permanents, but no other opponents.
Wouldn't that be covered by the "or"? As opposed to "and/or"... It's "a single opponent or a single permanent", not "a single opponent and/or a single permanent ". The spell wouldn't comply with the condition if it targeted both a permanent and an opponent because that's "and", not "or" (which would only be one)
Expansion // Explosion - the Explosion side targets a player and an "any" target. If you target yourself with the card draw, and an opponent's creature with the damage, that would satisfy the "single permanent an opponent controls" and trigger the Zelvor's ability. But for the copy effect, you only choose only one target each, and Explosion has two, which makes it hard to parse the "targets the chosen player/permanent" part of Zelvor.
Every other effect like this I can think of specifies "only a single target" for this reason. Obviously you can play it as originally printed, and everyone will know how its supposed to function, but there will be some weird corner case or someone who just has to keep arguing about it, and the "only" quashes most of that.
Wouldn't that be covered by the "or"? As opposed to "and/or"... It's "a single opponent or a single permanent", not "a single opponent and/or a single permanent ". The spell wouldn't comply with the condition if it targeted both a permanent and an opponent because that's "and", not "or" (which would only be one)
'Or' is at least one. So if it targetted a single opponent or it targetted a single permanent it would qualify so one opponent and 6 permanents would qualify.
These cards are coming out with zero day errata ? There isn·t anything else that quite says "Chomping at the Bit" gag than a zero day errata , né ?
It happens every now and then that something slips through QA and is noticed before distribution. This is a big one. I'd certainly look for cards like Sublime Epiphany to abuse with this ability if I could. As it is, even just with single target cantrips, Zelvor is going to be fantastic.
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There's our Maro's Teaser revelation -> Tiefling Warrior. A 4/2 haste for 4 but really 6 to use its ability. Yay?
I'm really surprised there aren't any mentions of Level Up in this. I mean it's based off an extremely well-known RPG. It totally fits the theme! (I think we did see some mention of Party in the leaks though right?)
'buster
HR Analyst. Gamer. Activist | Fearless, and forthright | Aggro-control is a mindset.
Elspeth and Jhoira rock my world.
Just if you use it the turn you play it, or did you misread the number? Not trying to be an ass just trying to understand the 6 lol.
Reading the text feels a bit like I'm having a stroke, but it actually checks out as straight forward and easy to understand heh.
4 mana to cast. 2 to activate. 4+2 = 6. If I didn't state it as such then I apologize.
'buster
HR Analyst. Gamer. Activist | Fearless, and forthright | Aggro-control is a mindset.
Elspeth and Jhoira rock my world.
Either way it doesn't seems to be an unreasonable price, 6 mana to Fork twice but you also get a 4/2? Sure there are some restrictions in play here but those are negligible when compared to the fact said 4/2 can also generate even more card advantage.
Without the only it can target other things, but not in that class. So now you can only target a single opponent, but before you could target a single opponent and permanents, but no other opponents.
Every other effect like this I can think of specifies "only a single target" for this reason. Obviously you can play it as originally printed, and everyone will know how its supposed to function, but there will be some weird corner case or someone who just has to keep arguing about it, and the "only" quashes most of that.
Ok yeah I got it for first use, but wasn't positive that it was specifically what you meant. We're good now haha
'Or' is at least one. So if it targetted a single opponent or it targetted a single permanent it would qualify so one opponent and 6 permanents would qualify.
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It happens every now and then that something slips through QA and is noticed before distribution. This is a big one. I'd certainly look for cards like Sublime Epiphany to abuse with this ability if I could. As it is, even just with single target cantrips, Zelvor is going to be fantastic.
Happened with marath, will of the wild in 2013 too