Why does it take you so many words to say "I don't understand what consistency, sexuality, and sex are."? Just do human intelligence a favor and shut the **** up already. We get it, you're big mad about being a worthless piece of *****. Sorry that your dying demographic isn't being exclusively pandered to in a world of safe spaces that protect you from -checks notes- other people existing.
Dude, enough please. Ok the first time, ok the second, because we're human and need to release frustration if we're emotional but literally all your interventions in all pages since the topic started are just sterile insults that brings literally zero content to the topic and absolutely isnt doing justice at all to your -which is also mine- cause, but just put more gasoline on the fire and that's it. We get it you can't stand what you perceive as an homophobic guy -but I actually want to believe that TheOnlyOne is in good faith but only biased-, but seriously, the way you do it is the worst way possible to get a point in ANY conversation, even if we were talking about the most basic human rights. Please stop looking at this thread if it makes you feel that bad, a real mod should had locked ages ago this thread for much less.
Why does it take you so many words to say "I don't understand what consistency, sexuality, and sex are."? Just do human intelligence a favor and shut the **** up already. We get it, you're big mad about being a worthless piece of *****. Sorry that your dying demographic isn't being exclusively pandered to in a world of safe spaces that protect you from -checks notes- other people existing.
You've been spamming personal attacks against people for not liking a product done in poor taste, even if for a good cause. Agreeing with a direction change in art going forward and then a double standard violating their own words. Wanting wotc to be consistent is not too big a stretch. But you and buster making constant attacks against people for a difference in opinion while saying the community you are a part of is oppressed only comes across as cry bullying.
If you've been paying attention to the conversation majority of the folks here are in favour of this product.
Maybe because people go on instant attack mode if somebody doesn't like it? And it's not exactly fun to argue about something where people won't change their mind on either side anyway? People here are just generally louder about that sort of thing too? Also see somebody here is calling for the abortion of people who don't like it. I mean, calm down lol, it's just a card game at the end of the day.
But I say who cares anyway. If you like it, then you're free to buy it. If you don't, then you're free to not buy it too.
Nobody is calling for anyone to be aborted, you centrist ****.
As a matter of fact, you did earlier in this thread. I think you need to calm down.
If you've been paying attention to the conversation majority of the folks here are in favour of this product.
Maybe because people go on instant attack mode if somebody doesn't like it? And it's not exactly fun to argue about something where people won't change their mind on either side anyway? People here are just generally louder about that sort of thing too? Also see somebody here is calling for the abortion of people who don't like it. I mean, calm down lol, it's just a card game at the end of the day.
But I say who cares anyway. If you like it, then you're free to buy it. If you don't, then you're free to not buy it too.
Nobody is calling for anyone to be aborted, you centrist ****.
As a matter of fact, you did earlier in this thread. I think you need to calm down.
I literally didn't. I think you need to learn the difference between past and future tenses.
I'm as calm as I'm going to be. I'm just not going to feint civility with people who wraponoze it, you piece of *****.
Why does it take you so many words to say "I don't understand what consistency, sexuality, and sex are."? Just do human intelligence a favor and shut the **** up already. We get it, you're big mad about being a worthless piece of *****. Sorry that your dying demographic isn't being exclusively pandered to in a world of safe spaces that protect you from -checks notes- other people existing.
You've been spamming personal attacks against people for not liking a product done in poor taste, even if for a good cause. Agreeing with a direction change in art going forward and then a double standard violating their own words. Wanting wotc to be consistent is not too big a stretch. But you and buster making constant attacks against people for a difference in opinion while saying the community you are a part of is oppressed only comes across as cry bullying.
Alternatively,stop being a piece of *****. Nobody is attacking anyone. You're all fine. I'm just sharing my opinion about y'alls poor taste. Don't be a baby back ***** about it, *****. I'm not sorry for not treating you the way you feel entitled to be treated. There is no double standard, you've made zero valid attempts to present one, you're just a homophobic dip***** who likes to virtue signal. **** you.
Why does it take you so many words to say "I don't understand what consistency, sexuality, and sex are."? Just do human intelligence a favor and shut the **** up already. We get it, you're big mad about being a worthless piece of *****. Sorry that your dying demographic isn't being exclusively pandered to in a world of safe spaces that protect you from -checks notes- other people existing.
You've been spamming personal attacks against people for not liking a product done in poor taste, even if for a good cause. Agreeing with a direction change in art going forward and then a double standard violating their own words. Wanting wotc to be consistent is not too big a stretch. But you and buster making constant attacks against people for a difference in opinion while saying the community you are a part of is oppressed only comes across as cry bullying.
Good to see my words are resonating. Now you know how we feel among conservative members of society.
If the concept of "consistency" is true above, the phrase "No sexual preferences depicted in the game" basically is "I don't want any form of expression outside of heterosexual dynamics as bestowed upon society by the church and other religious institutions," which is hyper conservative at its base. The problem is that sexual preference is always stated no matter which way you look at it.
A male and female NPC in a house with children insinuates a heterosexual preference. Are you against that? What about Cloud and Aerith in FF7? If you're against that then have fun playing Checkers or any non-TFC card game like Poker will get you. Fantasy is definitely not for you in this case.
Stories add flavour when romance is involved. However the problem seems to be when it deviates outside of the perceived Abrahamic interpretation of what constitutes "normal" romantic discourse. I'm sure the lesbian scene in The Last of Us riled a few people. Hell, people got bent out of shape when Niko was declared non-binary. Why? Abrahamic religion has dictated what is conceived as "normal" for millennia.
Where this product comes across as "poor taste" is really up to your interpretation of what is perceived as "normal." It's a product meant to support a hugely marginalized community by offering to provide resources where needed. Yes, people can donate in their own time, but we all know that with the vitriol against us, it doesn't happen as often as it could. So initiatives like this are needed. We can all conclude that if it isn't in the atypical heterosexual, cisgender, "Traditional" family unit then it'll be anything but normal.
And that's perfectly acceptable. LGBTQ people have existed since the dawn of civilization well before "modern" religions decided otherwise. We aren't going anywhere. As long as the hostility exists towards us, we won't stand by idly.
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'buster
HR Analyst. Gamer. Activist | Fearless, and forthright | Aggro-control is a mindset. Elspeth and Jhoira rock my world.
Why does it take you so many words to say "I don't understand what consistency, sexuality, and sex are."? Just do human intelligence a favor and shut the **** up already. We get it, you're big mad about being a worthless piece of *****. Sorry that your dying demographic isn't being exclusively pandered to in a world of safe spaces that protect you from -checks notes- other people existing.
Dude, enough please. Ok the first time, ok the second, because we're human and need to release frustration if we're emotional but literally all your interventions in all pages since the topic started are just sterile insults that brings literally zero content to the topic and absolutely isnt doing justice at all to your -which is also mine- cause, but just put more gasoline on the fire and that's it. We get it you can't stand what you perceive as an homophobic guy -but I actually want to believe that TheOnlyOne is in good faith but only biased-, but seriously, the way you do it is the worst way possible to get a point in ANY conversation, even if we were talking about the most basic human rights. Please stop looking at this thread if it makes you feel that bad, a real mod should had locked ages ago this thread for much less.
Treating poor faith arguments as if they are good ones is precisely why these ********s feel so empowered. You're not helping by making a case in a kangaroo court. You're just giving validity to discrimination. Stop virtue signaling and call it what it is. You're as much a part of the problem as the other piece of *****, regardless if you disagree with them or not. I don't want or need you to claim your fight is the same as mine. **** you, *****.
Why does it take you so many words to say "I don't understand what consistency, sexuality, and sex are."? Just do human intelligence a favor and shut the **** up already. We get it, you're big mad about being a worthless piece of *****. Sorry that your dying demographic isn't being exclusively pandered to in a world of safe spaces that protect you from -checks notes- other people existing.
You can choose to press the ignore button if you dont want to have a reasonable dialogue, but your mindless rambling of insults and nonsense leads nowhere other than spam.
Ignoring discrimination only breeds more. You're free to ignore me if you feel I am not engaging in dialogue that you feel matches your criteria, ********.
Why does it take you so many words to say "I don't understand what consistency, sexuality, and sex are."? Just do human intelligence a favor and shut the **** up already. We get it, you're big mad about being a worthless piece of *****. Sorry that your dying demographic isn't being exclusively pandered to in a world of safe spaces that protect you from -checks notes- other people existing.
Dude, enough please. Ok the first time, ok the second, because we're human and need to release frustration if we're emotional but literally all your interventions in all pages since the topic started are just sterile insults that brings literally zero content to the topic and absolutely isnt doing justice at all to your -which is also mine- cause, but just put more gasoline on the fire and that's it. We get it you can't stand what you perceive as an homophobic guy -but I actually want to believe that TheOnlyOne is in good faith but only biased-, but seriously, the way you do it is the worst way possible to get a point in ANY conversation, even if we were talking about the most basic human rights. Please stop looking at this thread if it makes you feel that bad, a real mod should had locked ages ago this thread for much less.
Treating poor faith arguments as if they are good ones is precisely why these ********s feel so empowered. You're not helping by making a case in a kangaroo court. You're just giving validity to discrimination. Stop virtue signaling and call it what it is. You're as much a part of the problem as the other piece of *****, regardless if you disagree with them or not. I don't want or need you to claim your fight is the same as mine. **** you, *****.
I'm going to use this as my reason to not donate to the trevor project this year. If my donations have at all contributed to this madness, that would be my regret. Flies with honey.
If you've been paying attention to the conversation majority of the folks here are in favour of this product.
Maybe because people go on instant attack mode if somebody doesn't like it? And it's not exactly fun to argue about something where people won't change their mind on either side anyway? People here are just generally louder about that sort of thing too? Also see somebody here is calling for the abortion of people who don't like it. I mean, calm down lol, it's just a card game at the end of the day.
But I say who cares anyway. If you like it, then you're free to buy it. If you don't, then you're free to not buy it too.
Nobody is calling for anyone to be aborted, you centrist ****.
As a matter of fact, you did earlier in this thread. I think you need to calm down.
I literally didn't. I think you need to learn the difference between past and future tenses.
I'm as calm as I'm going to be. I'm just not going to feint civility with people who wraponoze it, you piece of *****.
Your point was still the same and rather crazy. So yes, it is exactly what you said and meant. And the fact that four people liked that message too shows everything you need to know about the types of people on this forum.
If this is how you behave when it comes to drawings on cards in a game, then I'd hate to see how you handle actual problems.
Time for the mods to step in.
Why does it take you so many words to say "I don't understand what consistency, sexuality, and sex are."? Just do human intelligence a favor and shut the **** up already. We get it, you're big mad about being a worthless piece of *****. Sorry that your dying demographic isn't being exclusively pandered to in a world of safe spaces that protect you from -checks notes- other people existing.
Dude, enough please. Ok the first time, ok the second, because we're human and need to release frustration if we're emotional but literally all your interventions in all pages since the topic started are just sterile insults that brings literally zero content to the topic and absolutely isnt doing justice at all to your -which is also mine- cause, but just put more gasoline on the fire and that's it. We get it you can't stand what you perceive as an homophobic guy -but I actually want to believe that TheOnlyOne is in good faith but only biased-, but seriously, the way you do it is the worst way possible to get a point in ANY conversation, even if we were talking about the most basic human rights. Please stop looking at this thread if it makes you feel that bad, a real mod should had locked ages ago this thread for much less.
Treating poor faith arguments as if they are good ones is precisely why these ********s feel so empowered. You're not helping by making a case in a kangaroo court. You're just giving validity to discrimination. Stop virtue signaling and call it what it is. You're as much a part of the problem as the other piece of *****, regardless if you disagree with them or not. I don't want or need you to claim your fight is the same as mine. **** you, *****.
You seems so short-sighted that you do not realize that here you're the one that is giving validity to discrimination and being part of the problem in this moment. Please shut your mouth for your own good. I can assure you that you will bitterly regrets -when you will finally see the light of reason- that a mod didn't stopped you in time.
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Warforged Canuck
I'm going to use this as my reason to not donate to the trevor project this year.
Yeah dont worry we already knew you weren't doing anyway and you were just searching the perfect excuse that GrowUp gave you in a silver plate. We know we aren't worth your support, but that's ok, we're not that desperate, there's plenty of people in the world that are helping us to not kill ourselves because of discrimination, we don't need you. but to keep using GrowUp -which at this point I would even question his mental sanity- as the perfect pretext to continue your anti-lgbt narrative "says much more about you than me", to use someone words.
Yeah dont worry we already knew you weren't doing anyway and you were just searching the perfect excuse that GrowUp gave you in a silver plate. We know we aren't worth your support, but that's ok, we're not that desperate, there's plenty of people in the world that are helping us to not kill ourselves because of discrimination, we don't need you. Put to keep using GrowUp -which at this point I would even question his mental sanity- as the perfect pretext to continue your anti-lgbt narrative "says much more about you than me", to use someone words.
"That water level should have been lower." "My Wall of Wood... My Giant Growth..." Never change, Rudy! Also, we need a custom bear token now with hairy Taco Rudy on it.
So, actually, before this thread gets inevitably locked... Even before I knew of the existence of Rudy's video, I was pondering the sales of this thing.
I've read that a lot of people collected the Godzilla skins from Ikoria for the simple reason they were Godzilla fans, not because they were interested in MtG in any way.
So I'm wondering how many people, mostly from the LGBTQ community, will be buying this purely for the representation, as well as to support the Trevor Project, without being interested in MtG at all (and a few might become players, too!).
Anyway, I'm now thinking of actually buying several of these, a foil one for myself, perhaps a foil as investment... And two non-foils as gifts for my gay friends.
Why does it take you so many words to say "I don't understand what consistency, sexuality, and sex are."? Just do human intelligence a favor and shut the **** up already. We get it, you're big mad about being a worthless piece of *****. Sorry that your dying demographic isn't being exclusively pandered to in a world of safe spaces that protect you from -checks notes- other people existing.
Dude, enough please. Ok the first time, ok the second, because we're human and need to release frustration if we're emotional but literally all your interventions in all pages since the topic started are just sterile insults that brings literally zero content to the topic and absolutely isnt doing justice at all to your -which is also mine- cause, but just put more gasoline on the fire and that's it. We get it you can't stand what you perceive as an homophobic guy -but I actually want to believe that TheOnlyOne is in good faith but only biased-, but seriously, the way you do it is the worst way possible to get a point in ANY conversation, even if we were talking about the most basic human rights. Please stop looking at this thread if it makes you feel that bad, a real mod should had locked ages ago this thread for much less.
Treating poor faith arguments as if they are good ones is precisely why these ********s feel so empowered. You're not helping by making a case in a kangaroo court. You're just giving validity to discrimination. Stop virtue signaling and call it what it is. You're as much a part of the problem as the other piece of *****, regardless if you disagree with them or not. I don't want or need you to claim your fight is the same as mine. **** you, *****.
I'm going to use this as my reason to not donate to the trevor project this year. If my donations have at all contributed to this madness, that would be my regret. Flies with honey.
Do you ever notice that those "alternative, free thinker, brave dissidents, innocent martyrs from the SJW police", that call the "Magic: the Pandering" actually NEVER shows up in threads that are conceptually identical to this, but just doesn't pick a minority that is actually persecuted (not today at least finally)? Like the Secret Lair dedicated to the left-handed people: https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/825993-sld-april-fools-secret-lair-finally-left-handed
But, god forbid is we actually give any kind of visibility and sign of inclusivity of people that are actually hated and discriminated for just being born in a certain way (like LGBT or BIPOC people)? I know it sounds absurd but it's almost like that all this discrimination and resentment against those minorities could actually confirm and self-explains why those same minorities are target of discrimination and resentment in society for still (too) many people. What a curious coincidence huh?
People only cry pandering when it's something they don't like which is them outing themselves for what they truly are lol. Everything the company does is intended for some group of people to like, the trashy people just get butthurt about gay stuff.
Why does it take you so many words to say "I don't understand what consistency, sexuality, and sex are."? Just do human intelligence a favor and shut the **** up already. We get it, you're big mad about being a worthless piece of *****. Sorry that your dying demographic isn't being exclusively pandered to in a world of safe spaces that protect you from -checks notes- other people existing.
Dude, enough please. Ok the first time, ok the second, because we're human and need to release frustration if we're emotional but literally all your interventions in all pages since the topic started are just sterile insults that brings literally zero content to the topic and absolutely isnt doing justice at all to your -which is also mine- cause, but just put more gasoline on the fire and that's it. We get it you can't stand what you perceive as an homophobic guy -but I actually want to believe that TheOnlyOne is in good faith but only biased-, but seriously, the way you do it is the worst way possible to get a point in ANY conversation, even if we were talking about the most basic human rights. Please stop looking at this thread if it makes you feel that bad, a real mod should had locked ages ago this thread for much less.
Treating poor faith arguments as if they are good ones is precisely why these ********s feel so empowered. You're not helping by making a case in a kangaroo court. You're just giving validity to discrimination. Stop virtue signaling and call it what it is. You're as much a part of the problem as the other piece of *****, regardless if you disagree with them or not. I don't want or need you to claim your fight is the same as mine. **** you, *****.
You seems so short-sighted that you do not realize that here you're the one that is giving validity to discrimination and being part of the problem in this moment. Please shut your mouth for your own good. I can assure you that you will bitterly regrets -when you will finally see the light of reason- that a mod didn't stopped you in time.
_________________
If my oppression is validated by rudeness to my oppressors and those who enable them, then my oppression is certain regardless of how I behave. Nat Turner got a lot more done than Uncle Tom.
I can assure you that I don't care what a mod does or doesn't do.
As a "conservative" magic player, I think this drop is awesome! I absolutely love that mana confluence and the art for triumphant reckoning is super pretty. Though I don't have a use for a few of these cards, it would be hard not to pick one of these up.
Dude, enough please. Ok the first time, ok the second, because we're human and need to release frustration if we're emotional but literally all your interventions in all pages since the topic started are just sterile insults that brings literally zero content to the topic and absolutely isnt doing justice at all to your -which is also mine- cause, but just put more gasoline on the fire and that's it. We get it you can't stand what you perceive as an homophobic guy -but I actually want to believe that TheOnlyOne is in good faith but only biased-, but seriously, the way you do it is the worst way possible to get a point in ANY conversation, even if we were talking about the most basic human rights. Please stop looking at this thread if it makes you feel that bad, a real mod should had locked ages ago this thread for much less.
You've been spamming personal attacks against people for not liking a product done in poor taste, even if for a good cause. Agreeing with a direction change in art going forward and then a double standard violating their own words. Wanting wotc to be consistent is not too big a stretch. But you and buster making constant attacks against people for a difference in opinion while saying the community you are a part of is oppressed only comes across as cry bullying.
As a matter of fact, you did earlier in this thread. I think you need to calm down.
I literally didn't. I think you need to learn the difference between past and future tenses.
I'm as calm as I'm going to be. I'm just not going to feint civility with people who wraponoze it, you piece of *****.
Alternatively,stop being a piece of *****. Nobody is attacking anyone. You're all fine. I'm just sharing my opinion about y'alls poor taste. Don't be a baby back ***** about it, *****. I'm not sorry for not treating you the way you feel entitled to be treated. There is no double standard, you've made zero valid attempts to present one, you're just a homophobic dip***** who likes to virtue signal. **** you.
Good to see my words are resonating. Now you know how we feel among conservative members of society.
If the concept of "consistency" is true above, the phrase "No sexual preferences depicted in the game" basically is "I don't want any form of expression outside of heterosexual dynamics as bestowed upon society by the church and other religious institutions," which is hyper conservative at its base. The problem is that sexual preference is always stated no matter which way you look at it.
A male and female NPC in a house with children insinuates a heterosexual preference. Are you against that? What about Cloud and Aerith in FF7? If you're against that then have fun playing Checkers or any non-TFC card game like Poker will get you. Fantasy is definitely not for you in this case.
Stories add flavour when romance is involved. However the problem seems to be when it deviates outside of the perceived Abrahamic interpretation of what constitutes "normal" romantic discourse. I'm sure the lesbian scene in The Last of Us riled a few people. Hell, people got bent out of shape when Niko was declared non-binary. Why? Abrahamic religion has dictated what is conceived as "normal" for millennia.
Where this product comes across as "poor taste" is really up to your interpretation of what is perceived as "normal." It's a product meant to support a hugely marginalized community by offering to provide resources where needed. Yes, people can donate in their own time, but we all know that with the vitriol against us, it doesn't happen as often as it could. So initiatives like this are needed. We can all conclude that if it isn't in the atypical heterosexual, cisgender, "Traditional" family unit then it'll be anything but normal.
And that's perfectly acceptable. LGBTQ people have existed since the dawn of civilization well before "modern" religions decided otherwise. We aren't going anywhere. As long as the hostility exists towards us, we won't stand by idly.
'buster
HR Analyst. Gamer. Activist | Fearless, and forthright | Aggro-control is a mindset.
Elspeth and Jhoira rock my world.
Treating poor faith arguments as if they are good ones is precisely why these ********s feel so empowered. You're not helping by making a case in a kangaroo court. You're just giving validity to discrimination. Stop virtue signaling and call it what it is. You're as much a part of the problem as the other piece of *****, regardless if you disagree with them or not. I don't want or need you to claim your fight is the same as mine. **** you, *****.
Ignoring discrimination only breeds more. You're free to ignore me if you feel I am not engaging in dialogue that you feel matches your criteria, ********.
the MammonMachine is going to pander to the FocusGroup crowd
the Artists are going to want to reach their full potential
and the muck of PestKeepers and ExternalInfluencers is going to set off a data ge that will be heard for miles around
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the trigger is pulled
the metal sings to the rifling
-Irini Sengir
Your point was still the same and rather crazy. So yes, it is exactly what you said and meant. And the fact that four people liked that message too shows everything you need to know about the types of people on this forum.
If this is how you behave when it comes to drawings on cards in a game, then I'd hate to see how you handle actual problems.
Time for the mods to step in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6U0rp7WmDo
You seems so short-sighted that you do not realize that here you're the one that is giving validity to discrimination and being part of the problem in this moment. Please shut your mouth for your own good. I can assure you that you will bitterly regrets -when you will finally see the light of reason- that a mod didn't stopped you in time.
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Warforged Canuck
Yeah dont worry we already knew you weren't doing anyway and you were just searching the perfect excuse that GrowUp gave you in a silver plate. We know we aren't worth your support, but that's ok, we're not that desperate, there's plenty of people in the world that are helping us to not kill ourselves because of discrimination, we don't need you. but to keep using GrowUp -which at this point I would even question his mental sanity- as the perfect pretext to continue your anti-lgbt narrative "says much more about you than me", to use someone words.
Rudy was doing his nest to not become a giggly little binch. He loves it. I love it. But to press onward:
"This was a well-engineered product."
Kinda puts that whole "designed in poor taste" adage from earlier in this thread to shame then huh?
It is a well designed product. Both in terms of content and aesthetics. It will do super well.
Rudy says that a lot of people won't buy it due to the catering to the LGBTQ community. Some participants here have highlighted why.
Also:
I could totally see Adam Sandler shouting this a la Happy Gilmore.
'buster
HR Analyst. Gamer. Activist | Fearless, and forthright | Aggro-control is a mindset.
Elspeth and Jhoira rock my world.
Bold of you to assume so much.
So, actually, before this thread gets inevitably locked... Even before I knew of the existence of Rudy's video, I was pondering the sales of this thing.
I've read that a lot of people collected the Godzilla skins from Ikoria for the simple reason they were Godzilla fans, not because they were interested in MtG in any way.
So I'm wondering how many people, mostly from the LGBTQ community, will be buying this purely for the representation, as well as to support the Trevor Project, without being interested in MtG at all (and a few might become players, too!).
Anyway, I'm now thinking of actually buying several of these, a foil one for myself, perhaps a foil as investment... And two non-foils as gifts for my gay friends.
Nobody needs your two cents, dip*****.
People only cry pandering when it's something they don't like which is them outing themselves for what they truly are lol. Everything the company does is intended for some group of people to like, the trashy people just get butthurt about gay stuff.
If my oppression is validated by rudeness to my oppressors and those who enable them, then my oppression is certain regardless of how I behave. Nat Turner got a lot more done than Uncle Tom.
I can assure you that I don't care what a mod does or doesn't do.
I try to channel a little Adam Sandler in all things I do.
THERE ARE BEARS IN THE CLOUDS!!!
I had not noticed those before. The card just became +2 bear for me.
Also, shut up anyone who claims the dudes in the background are just like Chandra & Lili...
Speaking of our fiery PW, that's her on Collective Voyage, right?
I agree about Chandra, but i couldn't identify Nissa when I looked.