I'm liking the idea here. Am I going to buy all of them? No. But I'm looking forward to Gemini and feel like based off of their "nature" Gemini will be Mountains since they're carefree and capricious. Those I might get.
I still feel alot of the people that are naysayers of these products really emphasize what Maro says that every Magic product is not for every player. You don't like it? Fine. Is it ruining your game to let someone play their Capricorn swamps? Not really. Especially considering how many people before secret lair could get custom near-NSFW anime artwork on a basic land so what's the difference? At least these aren't Agehao Princess Peach or insert other anime character here, but something that people can be happy about because it enhances their expression in the game.
Yeah, "Not every Magic product is for every player" should be a mantra repeated every day, everywhere in the MtG community. Who think otherwise it's a compulsive collector, and the problem in that case it's not of WotC but exclusively of their own.
Yeah, "Not every Magic product is for every player" should be a mantra repeated every day, everywhere in the MtG community. Who think otherwise it's a compulsive collector, and the problem in that case it's not of WotC but exclusively of their own.
I remember back when every set/product was for every player and not pushed basic lands for $100+.
Yeah, "Not every Magic product is for every player" should be a mantra repeated every day, everywhere in the MtG community. Who think otherwise it's a compulsive collector, and the problem in that case it's not of WotC but exclusively of their own.
I remember back when every set/product was for every player and not pushed basic lands for $100+.
Who force you to buy basic lands for 100 dollas? Literally nobody. Is somebody stealing you something if some players want to spend 100 dollars on basic lands in order to express their personality with the cards? No. So why or what are you complaining exactly?
The same basic products available for anyone are the same since 1993 (and I would argue that we even made a huge improvement since those days since Reserved Lists cards are not even a thing anymore since Urza Saga). The only thing changed is that now, WotC can make more things for more different type of players, nothing more, nothing less. If you have a problem with that, you are a compulsive collector, and you can't blame WotC for that.
The same basic products available for anyone are the same since 1993
Oh man! They still have fat packs with books in them still? I didn't know that.
And improvements? Theme and collector boosters would heavily argue.
(and I would argue that we even made a huge improvement since those days since Reserved Lists cards are not even a thing anymore since Urza Saga).
What? The reserved list cards aren't a thing anymore? What does that even mean?
Let's not forget we temporarily had another reserved list recently with The Walking Dead until WotC decided to change it.
The only thing changed is that now, WotC can make more things for more different type of players, nothing more, nothing less. If you have a problem with that, you are a compulsive collector, and you can't blame WotC for that.
"Different types of players" being just throwing art at the wall for basics and hoping people like them to spent multitudes more on them. You're funny. You're also cute thinking that was in any way an insult and that it insult me.
It's okay that people don't like things you like. I know that's hard to understand in this day and age, but you'll have to live with it.
Oh man! They still have fat packs with books in them still? I didn't know that.
As the chinese proverb say : "when the wise man points at the moon, the fool looks at the finger."
The sense of what I said it's clear. Don't nitpick irrelevant aspects of it. Also, if anything, the fact that you would imply that WotC do less products (in the specific case you mention, selling books with packs) goes against your main argument of this thread (which is, WotC today do too many products and people can't handle them all).
What? The reserved list cards aren't a thing anymore? What does that even mean?
I tought my reference at Urza Saga was clear enough. They don't print rare cards as exclusively unprintable cards elsewhere since 1998, and that's a huge improvement in terms of a card availability to players. Imagine a world where half of the mythic rare and rares of every premium set will never have a second reprint nowhere forever. This is not a reality anymore. So ye, it isn't a thing anymore, and I was referring specifically to this phenomenon.
Let's not forget we temporarily had another reserved list recently with The Walking Dead until WotC decided to change it.
They never said nowhere they would never reprint TWD cards, this existed only in your head.
"Different types of players" being just throwing art at the wall for basics and hoping people like them to spent multitudes more on them. You're funny. You're also cute thinking that was in any way an insult and that it insult me.
It's okay that people don't like things you like. I know that's hard to understand in this day and age, but you'll have to live with it.
In any case, what people do with their money it's not of your business. If WotC wanna please a small minority of players by printing one of the most common cards in the world -which means, you already have them plenty- in a fancy way for the few that are really excited to get their hands of, and are willing to spend their money on it, it's not of your business.
It's okay that people don't like things you like. I know that's hard to understand in this day and age, but you'll have to live with it.
What? "Things I like"? What are you even talking about? I don't like this product, I couldn't care less about this product, I will never buy it and I'm not interested in it. But I'm also mature enough to see that the world isn't around my tastes or my wallet, so I literally don't see nothing bad in other people enjoying different stuff that I do.
Seems this quote it's something you should actually repeat to yourself, since you're the one complaining this product and the existence of people enjoying this product and willing to pay big money for this product, not me.
Yeah, "Not every Magic product is for every player" should be a mantra repeated every day, everywhere in the MtG community. Who think otherwise it's a compulsive collector, and the problem in that case it's not of WotC but exclusively of their own.
I remember back when every set/product was for every player and not pushed basic lands for $100+.
I remember last year when I spent almost $400 on a set of basic lands. They did and still do bring a smile to my face when I play them at prereleases as part of the "Limited set" I bring. Still amuses me to no end to have a full set of foil full text basics. And I'm sure when I come across that one individual that also shares my enthusiasm over expensive collectible cardboard rectangles, I will enjoy them that much more for having that shared experience.
Yeah, "Not every Magic product is for every player" should be a mantra repeated every day, everywhere in the MtG community. Who think otherwise it's a compulsive collector, and the problem in that case it's not of WotC but exclusively of their own.
totally disagree here. if you're playing in events you're playing the best cards. if those best cards are in a specific set you bet your ass they're for you. its extremely misleading to tout the mantra of not everything is for everyone when that's a grim reality of the game. you aren't going to show up to an event without an optimized deck, you simply can't and also expect to win. thats not counting your edh pods, but legit events. no one goes to a modern event hoping to win with random bull*****, they play the best cards.
products like this one are perfect imo, despite the predatory nature of secret lairs. these are basics. who cares. basics are literally thrown into the garbage sometimes, so you're not going to be hurting for playing a different version of a swamp. you can opt out of this one easily without any harm to your deck in a competitive environment.
this is exactly how all secret lairs should be. an optional product that you don't feel obligated into in order to compete.
totally disagree here. if you're playing in events you're playing the best cards.
1) What you are saying here have zero relevance of what is about this thread
2) As far as I'm concerned, "the best cards" you need in tournaments are always available to players at reasonable rates as rares or mythic in booster packs, as usual. And even then, the most requested and needed cards are reprinted, like in masters products. What I was talking here is about casual stuff in supplemental products or fancy reprints where the only real value is the collecting aspect that don't substract anything from anyone already having those cards, which is exactly this case.
3) What I said it's what literally say all the time MaRo, and therefore, believe also all WotC and R&D, so I'm afraid you shall deal it even if you disagree with it, unfortunately for you. https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/670301447412432896/can-you-help-me-understand-why-people-dont-like#notes
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2) As far as I'm concerned, "the best cards" you need in tournaments are always available to players at reasonable rates as rares or mythic in booster packs, as usual...
Soooo I agree with what you've been touting for the most part, buuuut this statement depends on what format(s) you play, and your definition of a 'reasonable' rate; the eternal formats that I enjoy have anything but the aforementioned, tragically.
The sense of what I said it's clear. Don't nitpick irrelevant aspects of it.
"You're not allowed to bring up things they took away! That hurts my argument!"
Also, them adding worse and more expensive options with theme and collectors boosters isn't "better."
I tought my reference at Urza Saga was clear enough. They don't print rare cards as exclusively unprintable cards elsewhere since 1998, and that's a huge improvement in terms of a card availability to players. Imagine a world where half of the mythic rare and rares of every premium set will never have a second reprint nowhere forever. This is not a reality anymore. So ye, it isn't a thing anymore, and I was referring specifically to this phenomenon.
Again, what? So you're saying because WotC stopped adding cards to the Reserved List that they get points for it?
They never said nowhere they would never reprint TWD cards, this existed only in your head.
You're 100% wrong there. They did, it's why you'll find this particular line crossed out in this exact way in the article.
We plan to do all this for the upcoming, soon-to-be-announced Secret Lair Universes Beyond partnership. We do not plan to go back and do this for the cards from The Walking Dead.
They changed it later because, guess what, people didn't like another Reserved List existing. For a small time there was another Reserved List.
In any case, what people do with their money it's not of your business. If WotC wanna please a small minority of players by printing one of the most common cards in the world -which means, you already have them plenty- in a fancy way for the few that are really excited to get their hands of, and are willing to spend their money on it, it's not of your business.
I'd rather them put these in packs, they could still please those players by having them in there, but I guess that option doesn't exist. Nope, fork over that $30! It's the only way to release these.
What? "Things I like"? What are you even talking about? I don't like this product, I couldn't care less about this product, I will never buy it and I'm not interested in it. But I'm also mature enough to see that the world isn't around my tastes or my wallet, so I literally don't see nothing bad in other people enjoying different stuff that I do.
Seems this quote it's something you should actually repeat to yourself, since you're the one complaining this product and the existence of people enjoying this product and willing to pay big money for this product, not me.
Ah yes the ol' "Someone out there enjoys a thing, so you're not allowed to talk of its faults!" Classic. 'Cause that argument isn't terrible in the least bit.
It seems like you're the one that needs to calm down a tick and say that mantra to yourself.
I remember last year when I spent almost $400 on a set of basic lands. They did and still do bring a smile to my face when I play them at prereleases as part of the "Limited set" I bring. Still amuses me to no end to have a full set of foil full text basics. And I'm sure when I come across that one individual that also shares my enthusiasm over expensive collectible cardboard rectangles, I will enjoy them that much more for having that shared experience.
That's fantastic (and I'm being 100% serious.) I do not agree on that spending, but if you get joy out of it, that's great. Personally, this idea of "not every product is for every person" just doesn't sit well with me as the majority of products they have been pushing with that "motto" has been for collectors and they keep going more expensive to push the envelope with how far they can go with it. I'm not a fan of this AAA video game industry level of microtransaction they have been pushing the last few years.
I'm not trying to shame people that buy these, I'm trying to shame WotC for not doing it cheaper. Those 5 basics did not cost them any more than 5 basics in a Standard set. If those basic land SLs had like 20 in them I'd find it a alright, but at only 5 per box it's abysmal to me.
Look, I buy superfluous stuff for this game too from time to time, but occasionally after doing so I go "boy, I'm a f****** moron for doing that" because I see the money spent and while I gain joy from it that joy, in hindsight, wasn't worth that.
2) As far as I'm concerned, "the best cards" you need in tournaments are always available to players at reasonable rates as rares or mythic in booster packs, as usual. And even then, the most requested and needed cards are reprinted,
Modern Horizons 2 made Modern more expensive, and in the past when they have reprinted things it actually caused prices of those cards to go up.
You're 100% wrong there. They did, it's why you'll find this particular line crossed out in this exact way in the article.
I followed the development at the time and Mark Rosewater made statements really quickly that in context show that the crossed out line was always supposed to mean: "While we definitely plan to do this for products going forward our plans don't yet include the one example of already existing products, because we never retroactively apply a fix like this until it has proven itself." The announcement was changed when social media gave them such a definite positive feedback on the plan (and accompanying negative feedback on the exclusion) that they felt save to skip the "testing the waters" phase and included the old product.
tl;dr: While they didn't plan to do the reprint, they also did not plan to not do it. But you need to collate some sources to come to this understanding, because their messaging tends to be ambiguous.
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Planar Chaos was not a mistake neither was it random. You might want to look at it again.
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"You're not allowed to bring up things they took away! That hurts my argument!"
At this point you're proving that you do not even understand a single bit of what people is telling at you or what is the main point of this thread at all. Sorry, but I can't waste time with people affected by functional illiteracy. I'm just glad WotC is not runned by people like you or we would be in serious troubles. Have a nice day.
Capricorns are a type of personality, the sea-goat thing makes a lot more sense in ancient babylon. Essentially a symbol of the god Ea (or Enki), it was frequently depicted on stone tablets known as kudurru. Kudurru were used mainly to mark land granted by kings to governors or vassals, and Ea was the god of water and also civilization, so it was under his auspice that such land grants were made and expected to be kept. So essentially the god Ea and the sea-goat or goat-fish were associated with accomplishing a great deed or achieving a difficult goal, particularly within a traditional civilized system. I think an argument could be made for white or white/black but modern readings of capricorn tends to emphasize the ambition more than the tradition aspect.
Anyway it's astonishing to me the expectations y'all have of a game that's just a few steps removed from gambling. Literally founded on the premise that you'd ante up cards. This game launched with game-breaking "rare" cards that would wipe the floor with any chuds who didn't cough up enough dough to win games. The only "fair" way to play this game is if everyone gets random packs and passes them around and even then it's still a coin flip to see if you get mana hosed later. It's blackjack with airs.
I followed the development at the time and Mark Rosewater made statements really quickly that in context show that the crossed out line was always supposed to mean: "While we definitely plan to do this for products going forward our plans don't yet include the one example of already existing products, because we never retroactively apply a fix like this until it has proven itself." The announcement was changed when social media gave them such a definite positive feedback on the plan (and accompanying negative feedback on the exclusion) that they felt save to skip the "testing the waters" phase and included the old product.
tl;dr: While they didn't plan to do the reprint, they also did not plan to not do it. But you need to collate some sources to come to this understanding, because their messaging tends to be ambiguous.
I'm sorry, but I can't believe an entire company literally forgot to put "yet" in a sentence and only "corrected it" months later which coincidentally they only did when large amounts negative feedback came their way. This whole "they did, but they didn't" testing the waters was them leaving themselves wiggle room while they saw which way the playerbase would go, but it was obvious the majority wouldn't enjoy more cards added to the Reserved List.
Ambiguous is being far too generous for what was clearly a plan to feed off of people's FOMO with future exclusive one of a kind cards in SLs to rake in more money. That's all it was.
No, I don't need to "collate resources", a.k.a. "what they meant was", to understand how a multimillion dollar company will fix their statements in the future to avoid some bad PR. Dozens of people at WotC talked about TWD SL and its future, meetings upon meetings, and when the article was written another half dozen likely looked at it, some multiple times. That means everyone at the company that took part in that never at any point noticed that a YET was missing from that article and how it completely changed what they were trying to say. I can't believe that to be the case.
At this point you're proving that you do not even understand a single bit of what people is telling at you or what is the main point of this thread at all. Sorry, but I can't waste time with people affected by functional illiteracy. I'm just glad WotC is not runned by people like you or we would be in serious troubles. Have a nice day.
This was a really long way to say you're unable to disprove anything I stated. Oh by the way, to add to the argument of them taking things away from products they took away 2 packs from bundles, but you're not gonna like more evidence against your arguments and spit out some more insults.
You're right though, if I ran the game things would be terrible! There'd be unbalanced sets, formats, and mechanics that were never test and needed to be fixed, constant bannings, sets that made the game more expensive, constant releases that make the game hard to follow, a lackluster microtransaction filled video game that only lasted 3 months, one online version of the game that continues to get worse, and overcharging people for basics and other cards.....Oh wait, that stuff already exists because of WotC.
Good thing your insult wasn't childlike in the least bit and showed your immaturity, that would be embarrassing when you storm off and can't debate with adults when they point out the flaws in your "flawless" logic.
From what I recall about the TWD lair, they almost immediately said they'd reprint the cards if needed. I don't think it's a remotely similar situation to the reserved list. They haven't been reprinted because there's no reason. People can buy a $40 Rick if they're into Tier 2 legacy decks.
I agree that basic land lairs should be the LEAST objectionable, because they appeal to collectors ONLY. I bought two of the pixel art ones, don't regret it a bit. Putting them in packs doesn't make a lot of sense because if you want the specific treatment you're likely to have to spend MORE to get it.
Reprinting cards typically makes their value go down (or do nothing, if the printing is especially limited). The only times I can think of reprints actually increasing a card's price are (1) when an eternal staple is reprinted into standard and is a competitive staple in that standard format; and (2) with the Horizons sets, when they print a good new card into Modern. Increases due to Standard fall off after the card rotates, and I can't think of a new-to-Modern card that increased in value significantly (it's usually the new cards that end up being the chases).
I agree that you don't need thorough documentation for everything since we're all just having a friendly debate, but it would be nice to know if you've seen something solid that modern prices are up, or you just figure that based on the fact that Ragavan, Solitude, and Urza's Saga are relatively expensive? It's sort of hard to say as it's not like they're replacing specific cards that were cheaper on a one-for-one basis. Would need to see something like average deck price before conceding the point.
I don't know. I don't think of WotC as being especially predatory considering Magic cards aren't a necessity like, say, medication. I want them to fix the mechanical issues with the game (get better at printing reasonable cards and balancing formats), but really have no issue with SLs or Booster Fun. Probably consider them a net positive.
This was a really long way to say you're unable to disprove anything I stated.
Disprove what? Disprove that you don't even understand what are you replying at?
First of all, you made a forgery of what you think I said. About the books in your head you tought that I said "You're not allowed to bring up things they took away! That hurts my argument!", proving that you are a functional illiterate. Why so? Because the fact they don't do books anymore has literally zero relevance with my argument or what is about this thread at all, which is not if Wizard do the exactly same products since 1993, but that WotC is doing the same basic products available to anyone since 1993 and I'm pretty sure no books is requested to play this game either at casual or competitive level.
Of course, since you are a functional illiterate, which is not an insult but simply an evidence that you demonstrate with your posts, I'm not hoping that you will ever grasp this, but I'm simply clarifying myself for everybody else reading us in this thread.
You're right though, if I ran the game things would be terrible!
The community of Magic players is as big and healthy as ever and WotC never made so much success and money with their own prodcuts, so if you think this is bad, thank god you're not the one in charge of this. Marketing data and sales are facts that have more value than all your spiteful nonsense. Yes, if you ran the game that would be terrible indeed, you can bet on that.
Where exactly is this anything about Aquarius?
Best dual land art ever
That'll be the weirdest looking field when you stack your "island" half cards on top of others.
You'll tap your mountains to get U
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I'm with Max Rebo. That's a great proxy for a Volcanic Island or whichever you'd like.
I might pick up the Sagittarian one if it appeals to me; I'm a suck for weird treatments, got four of the MSCHF one just for the Blood Moons, those are sweet.
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I still feel alot of the people that are naysayers of these products really emphasize what Maro says that every Magic product is not for every player. You don't like it? Fine. Is it ruining your game to let someone play their Capricorn swamps? Not really. Especially considering how many people before secret lair could get custom near-NSFW anime artwork on a basic land so what's the difference? At least these aren't Agehao Princess Peach or insert other anime character here, but something that people can be happy about because it enhances their expression in the game.
I remember back when every set/product was for every player and not pushed basic lands for $100+.
Who force you to buy basic lands for 100 dollas? Literally nobody. Is somebody stealing you something if some players want to spend 100 dollars on basic lands in order to express their personality with the cards? No. So why or what are you complaining exactly?
The same basic products available for anyone are the same since 1993 (and I would argue that we even made a huge improvement since those days since Reserved Lists cards are not even a thing anymore since Urza Saga). The only thing changed is that now, WotC can make more things for more different type of players, nothing more, nothing less. If you have a problem with that, you are a compulsive collector, and you can't blame WotC for that.
Oh man! They still have fat packs with books in them still? I didn't know that.
And improvements? Theme and collector boosters would heavily argue.
What? The reserved list cards aren't a thing anymore? What does that even mean?
Let's not forget we temporarily had another reserved list recently with The Walking Dead until WotC decided to change it.
"Different types of players" being just throwing art at the wall for basics and hoping people like them to spent multitudes more on them. You're funny. You're also cute thinking that was in any way an insult and that it insult me.
It's okay that people don't like things you like. I know that's hard to understand in this day and age, but you'll have to live with it.
As the chinese proverb say : "when the wise man points at the moon, the fool looks at the finger."
The sense of what I said it's clear. Don't nitpick irrelevant aspects of it. Also, if anything, the fact that you would imply that WotC do less products (in the specific case you mention, selling books with packs) goes against your main argument of this thread (which is, WotC today do too many products and people can't handle them all).
I tought my reference at Urza Saga was clear enough. They don't print rare cards as exclusively unprintable cards elsewhere since 1998, and that's a huge improvement in terms of a card availability to players. Imagine a world where half of the mythic rare and rares of every premium set will never have a second reprint nowhere forever. This is not a reality anymore. So ye, it isn't a thing anymore, and I was referring specifically to this phenomenon.
They never said nowhere they would never reprint TWD cards, this existed only in your head.
In any case, what people do with their money it's not of your business. If WotC wanna please a small minority of players by printing one of the most common cards in the world -which means, you already have them plenty- in a fancy way for the few that are really excited to get their hands of, and are willing to spend their money on it, it's not of your business.
What? "Things I like"? What are you even talking about? I don't like this product, I couldn't care less about this product, I will never buy it and I'm not interested in it. But I'm also mature enough to see that the world isn't around my tastes or my wallet, so I literally don't see nothing bad in other people enjoying different stuff that I do.
Seems this quote it's something you should actually repeat to yourself, since you're the one complaining this product and the existence of people enjoying this product and willing to pay big money for this product, not me.
I remember last year when I spent almost $400 on a set of basic lands. They did and still do bring a smile to my face when I play them at prereleases as part of the "Limited set" I bring. Still amuses me to no end to have a full set of foil full text basics. And I'm sure when I come across that one individual that also shares my enthusiasm over expensive collectible cardboard rectangles, I will enjoy them that much more for having that shared experience.
totally disagree here. if you're playing in events you're playing the best cards. if those best cards are in a specific set you bet your ass they're for you. its extremely misleading to tout the mantra of not everything is for everyone when that's a grim reality of the game. you aren't going to show up to an event without an optimized deck, you simply can't and also expect to win. thats not counting your edh pods, but legit events. no one goes to a modern event hoping to win with random bull*****, they play the best cards.
products like this one are perfect imo, despite the predatory nature of secret lairs. these are basics. who cares. basics are literally thrown into the garbage sometimes, so you're not going to be hurting for playing a different version of a swamp. you can opt out of this one easily without any harm to your deck in a competitive environment.
this is exactly how all secret lairs should be. an optional product that you don't feel obligated into in order to compete.
1) What you are saying here have zero relevance of what is about this thread
2) As far as I'm concerned, "the best cards" you need in tournaments are always available to players at reasonable rates as rares or mythic in booster packs, as usual. And even then, the most requested and needed cards are reprinted, like in masters products. What I was talking here is about casual stuff in supplemental products or fancy reprints where the only real value is the collecting aspect that don't substract anything from anyone already having those cards, which is exactly this case.
3) What I said it's what literally say all the time MaRo, and therefore, believe also all WotC and R&D, so I'm afraid you shall deal it even if you disagree with it, unfortunately for you.
https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/670301447412432896/can-you-help-me-understand-why-people-dont-like#notes
Soooo I agree with what you've been touting for the most part, buuuut this statement depends on what format(s) you play, and your definition of a 'reasonable' rate; the eternal formats that I enjoy have anything but the aforementioned, tragically.
"You're not allowed to bring up things they took away! That hurts my argument!"
Also, them adding worse and more expensive options with theme and collectors boosters isn't "better."
Again, what? So you're saying because WotC stopped adding cards to the Reserved List that they get points for it?
You're 100% wrong there. They did, it's why you'll find this particular line crossed out in this exact way in the article.
They changed it later because, guess what, people didn't like another Reserved List existing. For a small time there was another Reserved List.
I'd rather them put these in packs, they could still please those players by having them in there, but I guess that option doesn't exist. Nope, fork over that $30! It's the only way to release these.
Ah yes the ol' "Someone out there enjoys a thing, so you're not allowed to talk of its faults!" Classic. 'Cause that argument isn't terrible in the least bit.
It seems like you're the one that needs to calm down a tick and say that mantra to yourself.
That's fantastic (and I'm being 100% serious.) I do not agree on that spending, but if you get joy out of it, that's great. Personally, this idea of "not every product is for every person" just doesn't sit well with me as the majority of products they have been pushing with that "motto" has been for collectors and they keep going more expensive to push the envelope with how far they can go with it. I'm not a fan of this AAA video game industry level of microtransaction they have been pushing the last few years.
I'm not trying to shame people that buy these, I'm trying to shame WotC for not doing it cheaper. Those 5 basics did not cost them any more than 5 basics in a Standard set. If those basic land SLs had like 20 in them I'd find it a alright, but at only 5 per box it's abysmal to me.
Look, I buy superfluous stuff for this game too from time to time, but occasionally after doing so I go "boy, I'm a f****** moron for doing that" because I see the money spent and while I gain joy from it that joy, in hindsight, wasn't worth that.
Modern Horizons 2 made Modern more expensive, and in the past when they have reprinted things it actually caused prices of those cards to go up.
I followed the development at the time and Mark Rosewater made statements really quickly that in context show that the crossed out line was always supposed to mean: "While we definitely plan to do this for products going forward our plans don't yet include the one example of already existing products, because we never retroactively apply a fix like this until it has proven itself." The announcement was changed when social media gave them such a definite positive feedback on the plan (and accompanying negative feedback on the exclusion) that they felt save to skip the "testing the waters" phase and included the old product.
tl;dr: While they didn't plan to do the reprint, they also did not plan to not do it. But you need to collate some sources to come to this understanding, because their messaging tends to be ambiguous.
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At this point you're proving that you do not even understand a single bit of what people is telling at you or what is the main point of this thread at all. Sorry, but I can't waste time with people affected by functional illiteracy. I'm just glad WotC is not runned by people like you or we would be in serious troubles. Have a nice day.
Capricorns are a type of personality, the sea-goat thing makes a lot more sense in ancient babylon. Essentially a symbol of the god Ea (or Enki), it was frequently depicted on stone tablets known as kudurru. Kudurru were used mainly to mark land granted by kings to governors or vassals, and Ea was the god of water and also civilization, so it was under his auspice that such land grants were made and expected to be kept. So essentially the god Ea and the sea-goat or goat-fish were associated with accomplishing a great deed or achieving a difficult goal, particularly within a traditional civilized system. I think an argument could be made for white or white/black but modern readings of capricorn tends to emphasize the ambition more than the tradition aspect.
Anyway it's astonishing to me the expectations y'all have of a game that's just a few steps removed from gambling. Literally founded on the premise that you'd ante up cards. This game launched with game-breaking "rare" cards that would wipe the floor with any chuds who didn't cough up enough dough to win games. The only "fair" way to play this game is if everyone gets random packs and passes them around and even then it's still a coin flip to see if you get mana hosed later. It's blackjack with airs.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Tell that the phyrexian praetors lair. The only bad part was the serve delay for them to arrive to people
plus there’s gonna be people who like some lairs and some don’t
I'm sorry, but I can't believe an entire company literally forgot to put "yet" in a sentence and only "corrected it" months later which coincidentally they only did when large amounts negative feedback came their way. This whole "they did, but they didn't" testing the waters was them leaving themselves wiggle room while they saw which way the playerbase would go, but it was obvious the majority wouldn't enjoy more cards added to the Reserved List.
Ambiguous is being far too generous for what was clearly a plan to feed off of people's FOMO with future exclusive one of a kind cards in SLs to rake in more money. That's all it was.
No, I don't need to "collate resources", a.k.a. "what they meant was", to understand how a multimillion dollar company will fix their statements in the future to avoid some bad PR. Dozens of people at WotC talked about TWD SL and its future, meetings upon meetings, and when the article was written another half dozen likely looked at it, some multiple times. That means everyone at the company that took part in that never at any point noticed that a YET was missing from that article and how it completely changed what they were trying to say. I can't believe that to be the case.
This was a really long way to say you're unable to disprove anything I stated. Oh by the way, to add to the argument of them taking things away from products they took away 2 packs from bundles, but you're not gonna like more evidence against your arguments and spit out some more insults.
You're right though, if I ran the game things would be terrible! There'd be unbalanced sets, formats, and mechanics that were never test and needed to be fixed, constant bannings, sets that made the game more expensive, constant releases that make the game hard to follow, a lackluster microtransaction filled video game that only lasted 3 months, one online version of the game that continues to get worse, and overcharging people for basics and other cards.....Oh wait, that stuff already exists because of WotC.
Good thing your insult wasn't childlike in the least bit and showed your immaturity, that would be embarrassing when you storm off and can't debate with adults when they point out the flaws in your "flawless" logic.
I agree that basic land lairs should be the LEAST objectionable, because they appeal to collectors ONLY. I bought two of the pixel art ones, don't regret it a bit. Putting them in packs doesn't make a lot of sense because if you want the specific treatment you're likely to have to spend MORE to get it.
Reprinting cards typically makes their value go down (or do nothing, if the printing is especially limited). The only times I can think of reprints actually increasing a card's price are (1) when an eternal staple is reprinted into standard and is a competitive staple in that standard format; and (2) with the Horizons sets, when they print a good new card into Modern. Increases due to Standard fall off after the card rotates, and I can't think of a new-to-Modern card that increased in value significantly (it's usually the new cards that end up being the chases).
I agree that you don't need thorough documentation for everything since we're all just having a friendly debate, but it would be nice to know if you've seen something solid that modern prices are up, or you just figure that based on the fact that Ragavan, Solitude, and Urza's Saga are relatively expensive? It's sort of hard to say as it's not like they're replacing specific cards that were cheaper on a one-for-one basis. Would need to see something like average deck price before conceding the point.
I don't know. I don't think of WotC as being especially predatory considering Magic cards aren't a necessity like, say, medication. I want them to fix the mechanical issues with the game (get better at printing reasonable cards and balancing formats), but really have no issue with SLs or Booster Fun. Probably consider them a net positive.
Disprove what? Disprove that you don't even understand what are you replying at?
First of all, you made a forgery of what you think I said. About the books in your head you tought that I said "You're not allowed to bring up things they took away! That hurts my argument!", proving that you are a functional illiterate. Why so? Because the fact they don't do books anymore has literally zero relevance with my argument or what is about this thread at all, which is not if Wizard do the exactly same products since 1993, but that WotC is doing the same basic products available to anyone since 1993 and I'm pretty sure no books is requested to play this game either at casual or competitive level.
Of course, since you are a functional illiterate, which is not an insult but simply an evidence that you demonstrate with your posts, I'm not hoping that you will ever grasp this, but I'm simply clarifying myself for everybody else reading us in this thread.
The community of Magic players is as big and healthy as ever and WotC never made so much success and money with their own prodcuts, so if you think this is bad, thank god you're not the one in charge of this. Marketing data and sales are facts that have more value than all your spiteful nonsense. Yes, if you ran the game that would be terrible indeed, you can bet on that.
The next addition includes 5 Islands for Aquarius, aka Wizards is lucky water, air, and [insert characteristics of an Aquarius here] are all in Blue.
Looks like the stars on the card are just the brightest couple of stars from the constellation. Makes sense, aquarius is kind of a messy shape.
Best dual land art ever
That'll be the weirdest looking field when you stack your "island" half cards on top of others.
You'll tap your mountains to get U
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Playing since '94
I might pick up the Sagittarian one if it appeals to me; I'm a suck for weird treatments, got four of the MSCHF one just for the Blood Moons, those are sweet.
Currently focusing on Pre-Modern (Mono-Black Discard Control) and Modern (Azorious Control, Temur Rhinos).
Find me at the Wizard's Tower in Ottawa every second Saturday afternoons.
Next up on this year-long Secret Lair, 5 Pisces Islands: because we were all going to be pissed if these weren't Islands.