I feel like everyone that is talking about certain cards in Silver Border becoming "Eternal Legal" and even the cards releasing in this set, are mistaken. They've already said that the Water Gun Balloon Game preview image was incorrect as it was meant to have an Acorn stamp which is their new way of printing "Silver-border" cards. Just because they have black borders does NOT make them Legacy legal. And they will NEVER reprint any card that has shown up in a Silver-border as a black-bordered Legacy-legal version EVEN IF it would make sense in regular Magic (the entire common multiple-variation set, sans lands) because of the confusion in legality of such cards.
But yeah, indubitably I'm bound to see more discussion of "Oh well you could make an argument for [previous printed Silver-bordered card] and it would be okayish in Legacy." even if it doesn't make a shred of sense.
They've already said that the Water Gun Balloon Game preview image was incorrect as it was meant to have an Acorn stamp which is their new way of printing "Silver-border" cards.
I have a problem with the acorn in general as it is much harder to spot than a full silver border. The real reason they are doing it is they can't do both silver and black border on the same sheet and this was just the easier way of doing it. I'm sure there will be many a player going "oops" when it comes to putting an acorn card in one of their decks.
It feels like they wanted to make an Un-set and a Battlebond set and since they couldn't do both they decided to mix them together for no reason.
They've already said that the Water Gun Balloon Game preview image was incorrect as it was meant to have an Acorn stamp which is their new way of printing "Silver-border" cards.
I have a problem with the acorn in general as it is much harder to spot than a full silver border. The real reason they are doing it is they can't do both silver and black border on the same sheet and this was just the easier way of doing it. I'm sure there will be many a player going "oops" when it comes to putting an acorn card in one of their decks.
It feels like they wanted to make an Un-set and a Battlebond set and since they couldn't do both they decided to mix them together for no reason.
If someone can look me in in the eye with a straight face and say "I thought the card that cared whether creatures in the art are smiling or not was eternal legal", I would be fairly impressed.
While the physical stamps for eternal vs. acorn are phsically noticeable, the idea between splitting them up is that the mechanics between them should leave very little ambiguity regarding which one a card is. I expect that if you covered up the stamps and just read the card effects, most of us would be able to accurately guess whether they are acorn or eternal.
That card requires my friend outside the game to do something? Acorn
That card requires me to balance on one foot? Acorn
That card requires me to avoid the use of pronouns? Acorn
That card cares about how long flavor text is? Acorn
That card creates an entirely new game zone and doesn't follow the game rules? Acorn
I mean, the entire concept here is that any of the cards that could be eternal are eternal.
I mean, the entire concept here is that any of the cards that could be eternal are eternal.
I don't agree at all with this idea. A lot of mechanics that are black border sounds seriously weird for a traditional magic game. Goblin Game literally talks about hiding objects and it's a unique and unprecedent wording in all magic history (the fact you can tweak the text by making more blackborderable by writting numbers in paper it's irrelevant, you are talking about "first sight" impression to recognize acorn from eternals)
Several commander cards matters about who is physically in your left or right side of a table (like mystic barrier etc.)
D&D themed cards let you roll D6, D8, D10, D12 and D20 for random effects but this was an exclusive of silver border realm for decades. Raging River it's another absurd card and it's legal.
If somebody told me the rule text of Spy Kit without telling me from what set was it, I would sweard it was a silverborder design.
Au contrarire, there's lot of silver border stuff that could completely be black-border and it isn't simply it got a silly flavor, but even black border get sillier and sillier years passes.
So, no, it is not always clear to distinguish a card being acorn or eternal simply by reading the rule text, because that line is getting more and more blurred every year.
I feel like a lot of this thread is "we have this thread every week" territory but I wanted to chime in as a long time player that I actually do like this stuff. Been playing for an ungodly like 21 years now and magic is more dynamic than it's ever been. So many more options for how to play this game instead of being weirdly trapped in block cycles and hoping your LGS has the cards you read about in the duelist or whatever. I get how it's been frustrating for the collectors, but I gotta be honest I got no respect for collectors of any stripe. Life is meant to be enjoyed, not hoarded or assigned a cash value.
I mean, the entire concept here is that any of the cards that could be eternal are eternal.
There are plenty of silver border cards that could easily be black border, much of Unstable could have seen normal print. Things like Crow Storm, Amateur Auteur, Big Boa Constrictor, Animate Library, Chittering Doom, and more shows that no, not everything that could be eternal is. Any cards that mention contraptions call to a black border mechanic thanks to Steamflogger Boss.
There are many black border cards that show some insane effects that would normally be silver border. One poster put many of them and I'll show another with Chaos Orb. To say that Magic doesn't have silver border effects within black border is just plain wrong.
I purposelly omit to name this card because, unlike my other examples, it is literally banned in every format, and make use of dexterity, which is one of the main things that define silver bordered realm today.
While true I felt it necessary to add as it is just another example in the history of those effects, banned or not.
If someone can look me in in the eye with a straight face and say "I thought the card that cared whether creatures in the art are smiling or not was eternal legal", I would be fairly impressed.
That's the deciding factor. If you put the card in your deck, you better read it beforehand. If you read it and see something suspcious, you better check for the acorn. Even more so: There are right now cards without acorn from non Un-sets that have no mechanics related to dexterity, verbal actions, flavor text etc. that you are not alloed to play in certain eternal formats because they may be from a set that is too old or are on a specific banlist that - considering unbannings can happen - is fairly arbitrary and none of this is noted on the card.
The acorn is just a shortcut that allows you to avoid looking up legality, but we don't know whether a random non-acorn rare will not have an unintentional interaction with an obscure card that will lead to a ban, so a non-acorn card is also not a definite guarantee for legality. If you play a format, you have stupid homework to do. Or you play casual and wing it.
There are plenty of silver border cards that could easily be black border, much of Unstable could have seen normal print. Things like Crow Storm, Amateur Auteur, Big Boa Constrictor, Animate Library, Chittering Doom, and more shows that no, not everything that could be eternal is. Any cards that mention contraptions call to a black border mechanic thanks to Steamflogger Boss.
And they might become eternal eventually. This is like the Walking Dead Secret Lair a situation of "we didn't have the right idea back then, but we won't look into retroactively aplying it until we at least have the data from our current test". It's even directly inspired by the treatment of Universes Beyond cards.
There are many black border cards that show some insane effects that would normally be silver border. One poster put many of them and I'll show another with Chaos Orb. To say that Magic doesn't have silver border effects within black border is just plain wrong.
I'm fine with calling this honorary acorn since it has the same effective legality. Actually, can we consider this legal in every format all silver-border cards are legal? There is no reason to not allow this in any game that allows the confetti variant.
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I really wonder whether or not they thought through calling it "Acorn Magic." Feels like it's only a matter of time before it gets referred to as "Nut Magic" and causes some kind of backlash from Brand Management.
I really wonder whether or not they thought through calling it "Acorn Magic." Feels like it's only a matter of time before it gets referred to as "Nut Magic" and causes some kind of backlash from Brand Management.
I really wonder whether or not they thought through calling it "Acorn Magic." Feels like it's only a matter of time before it gets referred to as "Nut Magic" and causes some kind of backlash from Brand Management.
At least there are the "No-Nut" formats left, as a challenge for November.
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But yeah, indubitably I'm bound to see more discussion of "Oh well you could make an argument for [previous printed Silver-bordered card] and it would be okayish in Legacy." even if it doesn't make a shred of sense.
I have a problem with the acorn in general as it is much harder to spot than a full silver border. The real reason they are doing it is they can't do both silver and black border on the same sheet and this was just the easier way of doing it. I'm sure there will be many a player going "oops" when it comes to putting an acorn card in one of their decks.
It feels like they wanted to make an Un-set and a Battlebond set and since they couldn't do both they decided to mix them together for no reason.
If someone can look me in in the eye with a straight face and say "I thought the card that cared whether creatures in the art are smiling or not was eternal legal", I would be fairly impressed.
While the physical stamps for eternal vs. acorn are phsically noticeable, the idea between splitting them up is that the mechanics between them should leave very little ambiguity regarding which one a card is. I expect that if you covered up the stamps and just read the card effects, most of us would be able to accurately guess whether they are acorn or eternal.
That card requires my friend outside the game to do something? Acorn
That card requires me to balance on one foot? Acorn
That card requires me to avoid the use of pronouns? Acorn
That card cares about how long flavor text is? Acorn
That card creates an entirely new game zone and doesn't follow the game rules? Acorn
I mean, the entire concept here is that any of the cards that could be eternal are eternal.
I don't agree at all with this idea. A lot of mechanics that are black border sounds seriously weird for a traditional magic game. Goblin Game literally talks about hiding objects and it's a unique and unprecedent wording in all magic history (the fact you can tweak the text by making more blackborderable by writting numbers in paper it's irrelevant, you are talking about "first sight" impression to recognize acorn from eternals)
Several commander cards matters about who is physically in your left or right side of a table (like mystic barrier etc.)
D&D themed cards let you roll D6, D8, D10, D12 and D20 for random effects but this was an exclusive of silver border realm for decades.
Raging River it's another absurd card and it's legal.
If somebody told me the rule text of Spy Kit without telling me from what set was it, I would sweard it was a silverborder design.
Au contrarire, there's lot of silver border stuff that could completely be black-border and it isn't simply it got a silly flavor, but even black border get sillier and sillier years passes.
So, no, it is not always clear to distinguish a card being acorn or eternal simply by reading the rule text, because that line is getting more and more blurred every year.
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There are plenty of silver border cards that could easily be black border, much of Unstable could have seen normal print. Things like Crow Storm, Amateur Auteur, Big Boa Constrictor, Animate Library, Chittering Doom, and more shows that no, not everything that could be eternal is. Any cards that mention contraptions call to a black border mechanic thanks to Steamflogger Boss.
There are many black border cards that show some insane effects that would normally be silver border. One poster put many of them and I'll show another with Chaos Orb. To say that Magic doesn't have silver border effects within black border is just plain wrong.
While true I felt it necessary to add as it is just another example in the history of those effects, banned or not.
Isn't Unstable already that, just without an implementation that makes eternal cards viable?
That's the deciding factor. If you put the card in your deck, you better read it beforehand. If you read it and see something suspcious, you better check for the acorn. Even more so: There are right now cards without acorn from non Un-sets that have no mechanics related to dexterity, verbal actions, flavor text etc. that you are not alloed to play in certain eternal formats because they may be from a set that is too old or are on a specific banlist that - considering unbannings can happen - is fairly arbitrary and none of this is noted on the card.
The acorn is just a shortcut that allows you to avoid looking up legality, but we don't know whether a random non-acorn rare will not have an unintentional interaction with an obscure card that will lead to a ban, so a non-acorn card is also not a definite guarantee for legality. If you play a format, you have stupid homework to do. Or you play casual and wing it.
And they might become eternal eventually. This is like the Walking Dead Secret Lair a situation of "we didn't have the right idea back then, but we won't look into retroactively aplying it until we at least have the data from our current test". It's even directly inspired by the treatment of Universes Beyond cards.
I'm fine with calling this honorary acorn since it has the same effective legality. Actually, can we consider this legal in every format all silver-border cards are legal? There is no reason to not allow this in any game that allows the confetti variant.
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