Mark Rosewater more recently became receptive on Blogatog on printing these cards on paper and let the player base figure out how the rules work with them if there is sufficient demand for them to be printed. Tiro of Meletis, you know what to do.
Damn what a dumb idea. I can't wait for someone to bring out an impossible card and tell me how he figured out to use it in paper with an extremely sketchy and cheaty way.
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
Mark Rosewater more recently became receptive on Blogatog on printing these cards on paper and let the player base figure out how the rules work with them if there is sufficient demand for them to be printed. Tiro of Meletis, you know what to do.
Damn what a dumb idea. I can't wait for someone to bring out an impossible card and tell me how he figured out to use it in paper with an extremely sketchy and cheaty way.
Magic is merely adapting, that's what's going on here. Is it kind of tacky? Yeah I guess so. Maybe they're doing that to create a separate experience between paper and digital so that players can stick to one versus feeling unintentionally obligated to purchase paper cards to keep up in that manner and vice versa. I don't believe Historic is a big format in paper Magic as is, say Modern.
While MTGSally is but a blip in the Magic community, according to Rudy the Taco Man, Magic enjoyed some of its highest revenues in 2020. So whether MTGSally says so otherwise, people are liking this, minus the occasional uproar. According to The Professor and CGB, among others, there's a big sentiment of discontent by the MTG community but we all know people will participate in it.
Freedom of choice is a ***** ain't it?
Take what you want from it.
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this keeps getting touted. that they made so much money during 2020 that everyone must love these decisions. normally that might be true... but
hobby spending saw a massive increase across the board, every single hobby, in 2020. we had nothing else to do. every single gaming hobby saw massive surges. i think its disingenuous for these companies to have made major decisions during that period and then to tout them as major successes based solely on sales data. regardless of what they did they were going to sell. its just the nature of hobbies during 2020. people were stuck at home and dumped a lot of money into those aspects of their lives. i think more time will really show us if these decisions were true successes or not.
if player backlash increases, or if bubbles suddenly burst, then it becomes very obvious that it was a poor decision that was not healthy for the game. that's another thing too, just because you're making money like gangbusters doesn't necessarily mean the game is healthy. these hobbies, especially this one, is also a game. its not just collecting, its not just hoarding, but we actively play. you can sell product hand over fist, but if no one wants to play the game that will catch up to you and your business model will collapse. under normal circumstances everything would be different, but 2020 was a mess. so... we'll see. right now there's a lot of vocal backlash, but we just keep spending anyway.
they're also decisions designed to drive hype, designed to drive you to buy packs without thinking long term, to fear missing out on new stuff or the next hot thing. they're changes to exploit you, to compel you to spend more. that's not long term sustainable - especially as the EV of a pack decreases and the cost of that pack increases (that's coming soon).
i'm wagering this'll all run out sooner rather than later, and then we'll all be saying what the **** happened like it hasn't been obvious.
From Hasbro reports magic has been growing (aka making more money) in a steady growth pattern for years now. And as much as you claim everyone was stuck inside and had nothing to do man of those people became a lot less finically stable and couldn't spend as much as they normally do on magic, as well as not having pre-released or other events which will drive players into buying cards. So hard to tell how the game will look as the pandemic lessens but that can be said about most thing currently.
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You need a consistent group of people that are okay with it. that just isn't likely any more. with the surge in popularity it means your local lgs is eager to cash in, and at the same time people are more likely to play there. that means you're going up an ever inconsistent group of people. whats fine one week won't be the next, and at the same time maybe the only way to play is in an event. that needs a standardized list without exceptions in order to maximize participation. otherwise you get a real feels bad moment when you show up and find out sol ring is banned, or no infinite combo, or whatever other house thing makes you gut your deck, or that other guy gut his. thats a person that doesn't come back, and they have to sit out the entire night.
Show up and play random games against people you don't even know? OF COURSE there would be all sorts of power level conflicts. I don't see how "Rule Zero" can possibly work when no one in the game even knows each other before sitting down to play. That seems straight-up impossible to implement or rely on in that situation.
Stop going to LGS to play. Why in the world does anyone do that? I have never understood it. We've played in folks' houses/apartments for 20+ years I can't recommend it highly enough. Build a group and make it a regular thing. If you want this, you have to build it yourself. But, it is 100000% worth the effort. Find the 'regulars' you like at the LGS and just approach them and say, 'Hey, let's GTFO here.' Bet you find some takers. Hell, it doesn't have to be some huge group to make it work. Hell, just finding a reliable dueling partner would be better than what you are describing (to me, anyway).
Show up and play random games against people you don't even know? OF COURSE there would be all sorts of power level conflicts. I don't see how "Rule Zero" can possibly work when no one in the game even knows each other before sitting down to play. That seems straight-up impossible to implement or rely on in that situation.
It really isnt, unless you never talk to anybody ever.
Ask them if they want a "casual" game or a "competitive" game, and that alone will draw a very heavy line what decks to expect.
If all want casual, the guy with the competitive deck is not made for that group and vise versa.
The vast majority will have casual decks, so that will be just fine.
If something extreme is played, tell them, just say you dont like the card, but dont get aggressive.
If nobody ever likes the card in question they will remove it sooner or later.
Casual games are basically never a problem, if the players involved have a remote understanding of the format they play.
Stop going to LGS to play. Why in the world does anyone do that? I have never understood it. We've played in folks' houses/apartments for 20+ years I can't recommend it highly enough. Build a group and make it a regular thing. If you want this, you have to build it yourself. But, it is 100000% worth the effort. Find the 'regulars' you like at the LGS and just approach them and say, 'Hey, let's GTFO here.' Bet you find some takers. Hell, it doesn't have to be some huge group to make it work. Hell, just finding a reliable dueling partner would be better than what you are describing (to me, anyway).
Well, the thing is, that a vast majority of people dont have large houses or areas to play in, and a lot of people go to a LGS to "socialize" , meet new people, like others go to a club to drink or anywhere else to meet new people.
If you just want to drink with your buddies, you can stay home, if you want to meet new people, you go out. Same deal with an LGS.
If you are a student in a new city, and you want to play, an LGS is a guaranteed way to find players and get in touch with the local community.
Meeting people in a PreRelease is a highlight for a lot of people.
You can always play with your buddies, playing at a LGS is an entirely different experience.
Also depends on the persons character. I use to get along with basically anybody, extreme exceptions aside.
So every person i meet an LGS is a potential new friend, and thats great.
There are people that just want to play, and chat with the least amount of people, sometimes they are just shy, and talking to them is very positive for them, and if they warm up, they are nice people too.
If an LGS is small and has barely any space to play, its not a good experience to cramp a lot of people in there.
Massive stores with large space are absolutely amazing experiences:
If you are rich enough to basically build your own room to play Magic in, well, fine for you, but thats by far not the standard to measure with, thats the definition of luxury (which will create your own bubble, so its quite anti-social, unless you invite a lot of people, but everyone is welcome to choose whatever they claim to be the best experience for them).
Oh but I love the sets mechanics too. I did not say that nobody will likes the set mechanics, but that nobody will like to see those cards only with the help of binoculars, because they never will be playable in any real life format nor will ever be able to have them in their binder collection. Play hearthstone if you like digital only mechanics, Magic the Gathering is not this bull*****.
With Activision / Blizzard going bankrupt soon I don't see Hearthstone lasting much longer since Arena will actually benefit more as Hearthstone players' new go to unless players find another Digital Exclusive Card Game that's just as fun. Either that or Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro buys out all the rights to Hearthstone to incorporate onto Arena since a lot of players are also being forced to quit World of Warcraft, Overwatch, and Diablo because of Activision Blizzard's recent stupidity.
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"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
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Mark Rosewater more recently became receptive on Blogatog on printing these cards on paper and let the player base figure out how the rules work with them if there is sufficient demand for them to be printed. Tiro of Meletis, you know what to do.
What? Not really. He didn't say anything about it neither in positive or negative way, it just happend that a player asked this to him and he simply passed on the question to his blogatog audience to hear some feedbacks about it.
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Damn what a dumb idea. I can't wait for someone to bring out an impossible card and tell me how he figured out to use it in paper with an extremely sketchy and cheaty way.
They hate digital exclusive and yet they still refuse to let go of the claim it will overthrown paper
This "Evil Never Dies" person will do it.
From Hasbro reports magic has been growing (aka making more money) in a steady growth pattern for years now. And as much as you claim everyone was stuck inside and had nothing to do man of those people became a lot less finically stable and couldn't spend as much as they normally do on magic, as well as not having pre-released or other events which will drive players into buying cards. So hard to tell how the game will look as the pandemic lessens but that can be said about most thing currently.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
Show up and play random games against people you don't even know? OF COURSE there would be all sorts of power level conflicts. I don't see how "Rule Zero" can possibly work when no one in the game even knows each other before sitting down to play. That seems straight-up impossible to implement or rely on in that situation.
Stop going to LGS to play. Why in the world does anyone do that? I have never understood it. We've played in folks' houses/apartments for 20+ years I can't recommend it highly enough. Build a group and make it a regular thing. If you want this, you have to build it yourself. But, it is 100000% worth the effort. Find the 'regulars' you like at the LGS and just approach them and say, 'Hey, let's GTFO here.' Bet you find some takers. Hell, it doesn't have to be some huge group to make it work. Hell, just finding a reliable dueling partner would be better than what you are describing (to me, anyway).
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It really isnt, unless you never talk to anybody ever.
Ask them if they want a "casual" game or a "competitive" game, and that alone will draw a very heavy line what decks to expect.
If all want casual, the guy with the competitive deck is not made for that group and vise versa.
The vast majority will have casual decks, so that will be just fine.
If something extreme is played, tell them, just say you dont like the card, but dont get aggressive.
If nobody ever likes the card in question they will remove it sooner or later.
Casual games are basically never a problem, if the players involved have a remote understanding of the format they play.
Well, the thing is, that a vast majority of people dont have large houses or areas to play in, and a lot of people go to a LGS to "socialize" , meet new people, like others go to a club to drink or anywhere else to meet new people.
If you just want to drink with your buddies, you can stay home, if you want to meet new people, you go out. Same deal with an LGS.
If you are a student in a new city, and you want to play, an LGS is a guaranteed way to find players and get in touch with the local community.
Meeting people in a PreRelease is a highlight for a lot of people.
You can always play with your buddies, playing at a LGS is an entirely different experience.
Also depends on the persons character. I use to get along with basically anybody, extreme exceptions aside.
So every person i meet an LGS is a potential new friend, and thats great.
There are people that just want to play, and chat with the least amount of people, sometimes they are just shy, and talking to them is very positive for them, and if they warm up, they are nice people too.
If an LGS is small and has barely any space to play, its not a good experience to cramp a lot of people in there.
Massive stores with large space are absolutely amazing experiences:
FlagShip LGS
If you are rich enough to basically build your own room to play Magic in, well, fine for you, but thats by far not the standard to measure with, thats the definition of luxury (which will create your own bubble, so its quite anti-social, unless you invite a lot of people, but everyone is welcome to choose whatever they claim to be the best experience for them).
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"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
What? Not really. He didn't say anything about it neither in positive or negative way, it just happend that a player asked this to him and he simply passed on the question to his blogatog audience to hear some feedbacks about it.
https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/658152787204521984/hi-what-do-you-think-about-releasing-the-digital#notes
You make it sound as MaRO actually suggested that as solution, which is NOT what he actually ever said or meant to say.