Making these "digital only" cards is a total self-own by WotC.
Start the printers, proxy away, WotC is asking for it.
(Wonder how these cards will be treated in the casual Commander scene, if a proxy of this is just totally fine, as its a "legal" magic card, but does not have a "legal" paper print)
Making these "digital only" cards is a total self-own by WotC.
Start the printers, proxy away, WotC is asking for it.
(Wonder how these cards will be treated in the casual Commander scene, if a proxy of this is just totally fine, as its a "legal" magic card, but does not have a "legal" paper print)
I wonder, when I absolutely proxy this and pay nothing to WOTC, should we play the +1 ability in my playgroup as "Pay U. Create a 0/4 blue Kraken creature token" or is that too broken?
Can in the name of the lord somebody explain to me, what's the digital part of this card that wouldn't be "reasonably" or "logistically" be doable in paper?
People complaining abou green being OP.
(they may be right in this case)
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
I wonder, when I absolutely proxy this and pay nothing to WOTC, should we play the +1 ability in my playgroup as "Pay U. Create a 0/4 blue Kraken creature token" or is that too broken?
No more broken than having a phantom hand of Kraken Hatchling. You can have those at the ready and each activation put one in your hand.
Can in the name of the lord somebody explain to me, what's the digital part of this card that wouldn't be "reasonably" or "logistically" be doable in paper?
It's perfectly reasonable. It simply means they are trying out new things as well. The digital environments seems like a good place to try out new things regardless whether they can be done on paper or not. "Wins" seems to imply they creature you control did not die due to state based actions immediately following the fight while the other creature did. I bet we'll see it in paper.
The reason for this one probably is more subtle than the others: The fight doesn't kill the creature, state based effects kill the creature only after the spell is done resolving. If you wanted this to work in paper, it would have to spell that out in one of several awkward ways instead of the game engine just recognizing it. (Also doesn't say if "wins" includes your creature surviving or not. Is both creatures dying a "draw"?)
Skyshroud Ambush 1G
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Target creature you control fights target creature you don't control. When the creature you don't control dies this turn, if the creature you do control is still on the battlefield, draw a card.
This is a neat design. Draw a 1 mana 0/4 every turn that can be used to protect Kiora or upgraded into an 8/8 on a subsequent turn, and then another +1 that can also be used as protection or ramp.
It also has incidental interaction with opposing manlands!
I wonder, when I absolutely proxy this and pay nothing to WOTC, should we play the +1 ability in my playgroup as "Pay U. Create a 0/4 blue Kraken creature token" or is that too broken?
I think you can safely play it as "Put a creature card named Kraken Hatchling from outside the game into your hand."
By the way, all this "digital only" stuff annoy me a lot. I think that if Wizards wanted just a bit, every card could be easily tweaked to be paper suitable. Even Davriel, Soul Broker (who I was expecting to be in this year's Innistrad sets).
His first ability is OK, the third could be tweaked as three -1/-1 counters, and for the second we could have a token cards for Davriels offers and conditions and player would just choose from them.
Yes, there will be more emblems and extra offer/conditions cards for Davriel, but they could have just made the new Innistrad set as "Davriel's", like they did with Chandra's Core set.
Can in the name of the lord somebody explain to me, what's the digital part of this card that wouldn't be "reasonably" or "logistically" be doable in paper?
It's perfectly reasonable. It simply means they are trying out new things as well. The digital environments seems like a good place to try out new things regardless whether they can be done on paper or not. "Wins" seems to imply they creature you control did not die due to state based actions immediately following the fight while the other creature did. I bet we'll see it in paper.
I will repeat myself again : this digital-only experiment is a failure that nobody likes, both on intent and execution.
I'm absolutely loving the set.
already stopped drafting AFR completely to hoard gold for a crapton of Jumpstarts.
I wonder, when I absolutely proxy this and pay nothing to WOTC, should we play the +1 ability in my playgroup as "Pay U. Create a 0/4 blue Kraken creature token" or is that too broken?
No more broken than having a phantom hand of Kraken Hatchling. You can have those at the ready and each activation put one in your hand.
Yeah, I do prefer that, but wasn't sure if it works in Commander. There's no sideboard to "wish" from, right? Unless you can? Then again, if I'm house rules allowing this proxy, it wouldn't matter I suppose.
Yeah, I do prefer that, but wasn't sure if it works in Commander. There's no sideboard to "wish" from, right? Unless you can? Then again, if I'm house rules allowing this proxy, it wouldn't matter I suppos
remember the golden Rule 0 of EDH : as long for your playgroup is fine and fair play, anything goes.
Yeah, I do prefer that, but wasn't sure if it works in Commander. There's no sideboard to "wish" from, right? Unless you can? Then again, if I'm house rules allowing this proxy, it wouldn't matter I suppos
remember the golden Rule 0 of EDH : as long for your playgroup is fine and fair play, anything goes.
rule zero doesn't work in the modern commander era.
you need a consistent group of people that are okay with it. that just isn't likely any more. with the surge in popularity it means your local lgs is eager to cash in, and at the same time people are more likely to play there. that means you're going up an ever inconsistent group of people. whats fine one week won't be the next, and at the same time maybe the only way to play is in an event. that needs a standardized list without exceptions in order to maximize participation. otherwise you get a real feels bad moment when you show up and find out sol ring is banned, or no infinite combo, or whatever other house thing makes you gut your deck, or that other guy gut his. thats a person that doesn't come back, and they have to sit out the entire night.
hell, we've even tried the recommended shuffling short cut. the one literally listed on the edh website. but because it was recommended and not in the official rules we had multiple newcomers not only throw a fit over it but also not come back because of it.
people are very strict in what they expect.
so rule zero is not some magical catch all the way they want it to be.
anyway, i might think tiro flew off the handle a bit here - but honestly he's right in everything he's saying. this kind of exclusivity is bull***** and helps erode the game even further.
I wonder, when I absolutely proxy this and pay nothing to WOTC, should we play the +1 ability in my playgroup as "Pay U. Create a 0/4 blue Kraken creature token" or is that too broken?
Why not just get some Kraken Hatchling cards to have on hand? They're dirt cheap and easy to acquire.
The reason for this one probably is more subtle than the others: The fight doesn't kill the creature, state based effects kill the creature only after the spell is done resolving. If you wanted this to work in paper, it would have to spell that out in one of several awkward ways instead of the game engine just recognizing it. (Also doesn't say if "wins" includes your creature surviving or not. Is both creatures dying a "draw"?)
In all likelihood they would just define "wins the fight" in the comp rules and use the "wins" text on a printed card.
Uh oh. An affordable thassa who easily produces kraken and it’s digital only?
Someone better hide this from Tiro.
Too late.
When I first heard about these digital-exclusive cards, I thought to myself gee, what a terrible idea. But what's new? WOTC has been chock full of awful, detrimental, self-sabotaging, fan-alienating, devastating decisions that compromise the Magic brand lately. This is right on theme for them, right? And I almost thought I could simply avoid this problem, and be unaffected by it.
Honestly I don't even have strength left to HATE this game as much I deserve and need to FAWKING HATE THIS GAME
Here I am WAITING for WOTC to get off their collective uninspired, pathetic, profit-driven and creative-stifling asses and FINALLY deliver something WORTHWHILE and THEMATIC for a change as A LEGION OF SEA MONSTER FANS AND I BEG, PLEAD, BORROW AND STEAL for a reason to actually love their game, and when they AT LONG LONG LONG LAST design a new Kiora that I HAVE LONGED AND WAITED EONS FOR IN A GAME DEVOID OF ANYTHING WORTHWHILE SINCE THEROS BEYOND DEATH and FINALLY
FINALLY
Deliver a freaking Kiora with STUNNING ART and brilliant, thematic, archetype-supportive effects THAT I HAVE USED THE VERY LAST DEATH RATTLE OF MY DYING BREATH WHEEZED FROM THE DEPTHS OF MY DECREPIT ROTTING LUNGS TO PLEAD FOR (and whose effects could EASILY be adapted to a paper game, such as putting a 0/4 token into play or tutoring the card or ANYTHING, so you can spare me that BS IMMEDIATELY).... AFTER FINALLY ACTUALLY GETTING A CARD that manages to satisfy ever metric I have ever requested, wanted, longed and hoped for... EVEN AS SOMEONE NOTORIOUSLY DIFFICULT TO PLEASE
AFTER SEA MONSTER FANS HAVE NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING relative to everything else, and need a bone, and have been requesting oceanic themed cards and basically getting an 8 drop vanilla common ONCE A YEAR AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT, AFTER GETTING TRASH PLANESWALKERS AND NO KIORA OR ANYTHING OF INTEREST DESPITE ALL THESE REQUESTS
This gem of an artwork, jewel of a design, treasure of a thematic support card that answers every wish and prayer ocean fans have bloodied our knees in pleas for arrives.
And WOTC has the audacity, the spite, the livid, deep seated hatred of its own fan and consumer base to tell us that it will NEVER SEE PRINT? That this exact fulfillment of YEARS OF REQUESTS, YEARS OF PATIENCE AND WAITING, YEARS OF A DESIRE TO PATRONIZE THEIR PRODUCT is going to result in.....
Exclusion?
I suppose it really is part of their business model now. I mean,
As a Vorthos, the absent Theros novel and lore in ruins made me right at home
As LGBT, Greg Weisman's homophobic masterpiece performed wonders with inclusivity
As a fan of Magic IP, Universes Beyond has had been a splendid method of suggesting "you know what Tiro, you loving the actual Magic brand just isn't cutting it enough for us anymore."
And now we're here my friends. We're here, after a year of a pandemic in which everyone is broke, anxious, deprived and shaken. We're here... with the clearest, loudest, most vibrant message WOTC can send - that they truly do not want me to admire their IP. Because being a Kiora fan, a blue fan, a sea monster fan, a fan of something ACTUALLY MAGIC RELATED, WHICH I WAITED FOR, just isn't in the cards for me as an actual Magic player.
I can have Godzilla, The Walking Dead, Lord of the Rings, Dungeons and Dragons, and some other bullchit IP I never heard of that is some stupid show on TV no one watches whose name I neither know or remember or care to FAWKING know and will never commit to memory even if I did. I can have cards for all that. For all of those non-Magic characters, cards will be printed and cards will be had.
But not for this Kiora, from Magic the Gathering. See this character here, designed explicitly for this game? See Kiora from the books? Kiora from the lore? Kiora invented by MTG? See this art here, this gorgeous, high quality, stunning, remarkable, brilliant, brand-elevating artwork here that you have longed to love and have as part of this game you're so desperate to admire and patronize? That is something you'll never see, never own, never hold, never have as an aspect of this game ever, while everyone else with outrageous cross-brand demands gets their wishes fulfilled - me, a Magic fan, requesting a Magic IP character, supporting a Magic tribe, to play in Magic's best selling and leading premier format at the moment - I cannot have or enjoy this.
If you told me it would be easier to own a Gandalf card than an actual Kiora card like this in Magic the fawking ass Gathering paper game two years ago, I'd probably still believe you honestly.
It's as if WOTC doesn't want us playing this game except THEIR WAY. And that truly is as Yugioh, and as Konami as it gets.
AND I HATE YUGIOH AND KONAMI for this exact reason. I quit that TRASH. Because they punish fans of their game. They're oblivious to what players actually want, and do the opposite, banning cards and powercreeping people out of the game. And here we are, isolation, exclusion AND ABSOLUTE DISREGARD FOR LOGIC AND REASON, THE EQUIVALENT OF GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8 SUBVERTING EXPECTATIONS RIGHT?
It's just UNFATHOMABLE to me frankly. That they would have this art and design on hand, and it could have been celebrated in a Commander deck. It could have been a promo somewhere, or part of a current or future set, it literally could have been the CELEBRATED HIGHLIGHT of ANYTHING it was in, truly. The potential alone with this was astronomical.
And it was squandered in an attempt to spit in my face. I SWEAR, if someone sat down and EXPLICITLY tried to devise a way to screw me in particular, this was it.
Instead, they treat this fond opportunity to dash hopes and isolate people. You want this? You play Magic our way.
HEY WOTC. THIS HAS THE OPPOSITE EFFECT BY THE WAAAAAAAY now I HATE HISTORIC. I RESENT HISTORIC. I WILL NEVER, EVER TOUCH ARENA EVER EVER EVER AND I would sooner QUIT THIS GAME AND DROP YOUR BRAND than be forced.
Bring me the fool who thought of this. Bring them so I can tear them apart with my nails and teeth sis.
Yup, I could see myself being this pissed off if it was an entire hive of Slivers that was only available online somewhere.
I wonder, when I absolutely proxy this and pay nothing to WOTC, should we play the +1 ability in my playgroup as "Pay U. Create a 0/4 blue Kraken creature token" or is that too broken?
Why not just get some Kraken Hatchling cards to have on hand? They're dirt cheap and easy to acquire.
I have many, and even main deck one. I just wanted to adapt an effect that was appropriate for paper magic.
Can in the name of the lord somebody explain to me, what's the digital part of this card that wouldn't be "reasonably" or "logistically" be doable in paper?
It's perfectly reasonable. It simply means they are trying out new things as well. The digital environments seems like a good place to try out new things regardless whether they can be done on paper or not. "Wins" seems to imply they creature you control did not die due to state based actions immediately following the fight while the other creature did. I bet we'll see it in paper.
I will repeat myself again : this digital-only experiment is a failure that nobody likes, both on intent and execution.
I'm absolutely loving the set.
already stopped drafting AFR completely to hoard gold for a crapton of Jumpstarts.
Oh but I love the sets mechanics too. I did not say that nobody will likes the set mechanics, but that nobody will like to see those cards only with the help of binoculars, because they never will be playable in any real life format nor will ever be able to have them in their binder collection. Play hearthstone if you like digital only mechanics, Magic the Gathering is not this bull*****.
Can in the name of the lord somebody explain to me, what's the digital part of this card that wouldn't be "reasonably" or "logistically" be doable in paper?
It's perfectly reasonable. It simply means they are trying out new things as well. The digital environments seems like a good place to try out new things regardless whether they can be done on paper or not. "Wins" seems to imply they creature you control did not die due to state based actions immediately following the fight while the other creature did. I bet we'll see it in paper.
I will repeat myself again : this digital-only experiment is a failure that nobody likes, both on intent and execution.
I'm absolutely loving the set.
already stopped drafting AFR completely to hoard gold for a crapton of Jumpstarts.
Oh but I love the sets mechanics too. I did not say that nobody will likes the set mechanics, but that nobody will like to see those cards only with the help of binoculars, because they never will be playable in any real life format nor will ever be able to have them in their binder collection. Play hearthstone if you like digital only mechanics, Magic the Gathering is not this bull*****.
Man.... I don't get why people are so annoyed about.
it's not like the game will be fundamentally different because a couple new mechanics that aren't really practical on paper and I think it's fine.
yeah, it's weird that some new cards are released and are not legal on Legacy or Vintage, though, but then again, just treat this as if it was a silver bordered set or something.
all the mechanics are very hard or impossible to keep track on paper, but they're still very close to what magic is and it's like that every time that WotC adds something really weird to the game... a ton of players say "OMG, we've hit rock bottom, this is the end" ahhaha
chill out, dude, it's going to turn out just fine.
Can in the name of the lord somebody explain to me, what's the digital part of this card that wouldn't be "reasonably" or "logistically" be doable in paper?
It's perfectly reasonable. It simply means they are trying out new things as well. The digital environments seems like a good place to try out new things regardless whether they can be done on paper or not. "Wins" seems to imply they creature you control did not die due to state based actions immediately following the fight while the other creature did. I bet we'll see it in paper.
I will repeat myself again : this digital-only experiment is a failure that nobody likes, both on intent and execution.
I'm absolutely loving the set.
already stopped drafting AFR completely to hoard gold for a crapton of Jumpstarts.
Oh but I love the sets mechanics too. I did not say that nobody will likes the set mechanics, but that nobody will like to see those cards only with the help of binoculars, because they never will be playable in any real life format nor will ever be able to have them in their binder collection. Play hearthstone if you like digital only mechanics, Magic the Gathering is not this bull*****.
Dude. I do not like this set. While less angry than Tiro, I think that branching the digital and physical versions of this game is a mistake.
With that said, you can’t really say “everyone hates this” after several people specifically say that they like it. Responding to someone saying that they like it by saying “the ideas are good but you’ll never play it physically so you actually hate it so everybody hates it” is not a fair argument.
You hate it. I hate it. Tiro hates it. A lot of people hate it. That is our prerogative. Even so, there are people who like it and I’m not going to ignore that they exist because I am angry. Ignoring them would be acting unfairly toward them when it is Wizards who deserves most of our ire.
Magic is merely adapting, that's what's going on here. Is it kind of tacky? Yeah I guess so. Maybe they're doing that to create a separate experience between paper and digital so that players can stick to one versus feeling unintentionally obligated to purchase paper cards to keep up in that manner and vice versa. I don't believe Historic is a big format in paper Magic as is, say Modern.
While MTGSally is but a blip in the Magic community, according to Rudy the Taco Man, Magic enjoyed some of its highest revenues in 2020. So whether MTGSally says so otherwise, people are liking this, minus the occasional uproar. According to The Professor and CGB, among others, there's a big sentiment of discontent by the MTG community but we all know people will participate in it.
Freedom of choice is a ***** ain't it?
Take what you want from it.
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Magic is merely adapting, that's what's going on here. Is it kind of tacky? Yeah I guess so. Maybe they're doing that to create a separate experience between paper and digital so that players can stick to one versus feeling unintentionally obligated to purchase paper cards to keep up in that manner and vice versa. I don't believe Historic is a big format in paper Magic as is, say Modern.
While MTGSally is but a blip in the Magic community, according to Rudy the Taco Man, Magic enjoyed some of its highest revenues in 2020. So whether MTGSally says so otherwise, people are liking this, minus the occasional uproar. According to The Professor and CGB, among others, there's a big sentiment of discontent by the MTG community but we all know people will participate in it.
Freedom of choice is a ***** ain't it?
Take what you want from it.
'buster
this keeps getting touted. that they made so much money during 2020 that everyone must love these decisions. normally that might be true... but
hobby spending saw a massive increase across the board, every single hobby, in 2020. we had nothing else to do. every single gaming hobby saw massive surges. i think its disingenuous for these companies to have made major decisions during that period and then to tout them as major successes based solely on sales data. regardless of what they did they were going to sell. its just the nature of hobbies during 2020. people were stuck at home and dumped a lot of money into those aspects of their lives. i think more time will really show us if these decisions were true successes or not.
if player backlash increases, or if bubbles suddenly burst, then it becomes very obvious that it was a poor decision that was not healthy for the game. that's another thing too, just because you're making money like gangbusters doesn't necessarily mean the game is healthy. these hobbies, especially this one, is also a game. its not just collecting, its not just hoarding, but we actively play. you can sell product hand over fist, but if no one wants to play the game that will catch up to you and your business model will collapse. under normal circumstances everything would be different, but 2020 was a mess. so... we'll see. right now there's a lot of vocal backlash, but we just keep spending anyway.
they're also decisions designed to drive hype, designed to drive you to buy packs without thinking long term, to fear missing out on new stuff or the next hot thing. they're changes to exploit you, to compel you to spend more. that's not long term sustainable - especially as the EV of a pack decreases and the cost of that pack increases (that's coming soon).
i'm wagering this'll all run out sooner rather than later, and then we'll all be saying what the **** happened like it hasn't been obvious.
Mark Rosewater more recently became receptive on Blogatog on printing these cards on paper and let the player base figure out how the rules work with them if there is sufficient demand for them to be printed. Tiro of Meletis, you know what to do.
Mark Rosewater more recently became receptive on Blogatog on printing these cards on paper and let the player base figure out how the rules work with them if there is sufficient demand for them to be printed. Tiro of Meletis, you know what to do.
Start the printers, proxy away, WotC is asking for it.
(Wonder how these cards will be treated in the casual Commander scene, if a proxy of this is just totally fine, as its a "legal" magic card, but does not have a "legal" paper print)
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|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
People complaining abou green being OP.
(they may be right in this case)
No more broken than having a phantom hand of Kraken Hatchling. You can have those at the ready and each activation put one in your hand.
The reason for this one probably is more subtle than the others: The fight doesn't kill the creature, state based effects kill the creature only after the spell is done resolving. If you wanted this to work in paper, it would have to spell that out in one of several awkward ways instead of the game engine just recognizing it. (Also doesn't say if "wins" includes your creature surviving or not. Is both creatures dying a "draw"?)
Skyshroud Ambush 1G
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Target creature you control fights target creature you don't control. When the creature you don't control dies this turn, if the creature you do control is still on the battlefield, draw a card.
Her milkshake brings all the boys to the 'field and they're like...
Davriel reminds me of a sinister John Cleese from a "lost episode" of Monty Python skit that never aired.
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I think you can safely play it as "Put a creature card named Kraken Hatchling from outside the game into your hand."
By the way, all this "digital only" stuff annoy me a lot. I think that if Wizards wanted just a bit, every card could be easily tweaked to be paper suitable. Even Davriel, Soul Broker (who I was expecting to be in this year's Innistrad sets).
His first ability is OK, the third could be tweaked as three -1/-1 counters, and for the second we could have a token cards for Davriels offers and conditions and player would just choose from them.
Yes, there will be more emblems and extra offer/conditions cards for Davriel, but they could have just made the new Innistrad set as "Davriel's", like they did with Chandra's Core set.
I'm absolutely loving the set.
already stopped drafting AFR completely to hoard gold for a crapton of Jumpstarts.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
remember the golden Rule 0 of EDH : as long for your playgroup is fine and fair play, anything goes.
rule zero doesn't work in the modern commander era.
you need a consistent group of people that are okay with it. that just isn't likely any more. with the surge in popularity it means your local lgs is eager to cash in, and at the same time people are more likely to play there. that means you're going up an ever inconsistent group of people. whats fine one week won't be the next, and at the same time maybe the only way to play is in an event. that needs a standardized list without exceptions in order to maximize participation. otherwise you get a real feels bad moment when you show up and find out sol ring is banned, or no infinite combo, or whatever other house thing makes you gut your deck, or that other guy gut his. thats a person that doesn't come back, and they have to sit out the entire night.
hell, we've even tried the recommended shuffling short cut. the one literally listed on the edh website. but because it was recommended and not in the official rules we had multiple newcomers not only throw a fit over it but also not come back because of it.
people are very strict in what they expect.
so rule zero is not some magical catch all the way they want it to be.
anyway, i might think tiro flew off the handle a bit here - but honestly he's right in everything he's saying. this kind of exclusivity is bull***** and helps erode the game even further.
Why not just get some Kraken Hatchling cards to have on hand? They're dirt cheap and easy to acquire.
In all likelihood they would just define "wins the fight" in the comp rules and use the "wins" text on a printed card.
Yup, I could see myself being this pissed off if it was an entire hive of Slivers that was only available online somewhere.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Oh but I love the sets mechanics too. I did not say that nobody will likes the set mechanics, but that nobody will like to see those cards only with the help of binoculars, because they never will be playable in any real life format nor will ever be able to have them in their binder collection. Play hearthstone if you like digital only mechanics, Magic the Gathering is not this bull*****.
it's not like the game will be fundamentally different because a couple new mechanics that aren't really practical on paper and I think it's fine.
yeah, it's weird that some new cards are released and are not legal on Legacy or Vintage, though, but then again, just treat this as if it was a silver bordered set or something.
all the mechanics are very hard or impossible to keep track on paper, but they're still very close to what magic is and it's like that every time that WotC adds something really weird to the game... a ton of players say "OMG, we've hit rock bottom, this is the end" ahhaha
chill out, dude, it's going to turn out just fine.
Dude. I do not like this set. While less angry than Tiro, I think that branching the digital and physical versions of this game is a mistake.
With that said, you can’t really say “everyone hates this” after several people specifically say that they like it. Responding to someone saying that they like it by saying “the ideas are good but you’ll never play it physically so you actually hate it so everybody hates it” is not a fair argument.
You hate it. I hate it. Tiro hates it. A lot of people hate it. That is our prerogative. Even so, there are people who like it and I’m not going to ignore that they exist because I am angry. Ignoring them would be acting unfairly toward them when it is Wizards who deserves most of our ire.
While MTGSally is but a blip in the Magic community, according to Rudy the Taco Man, Magic enjoyed some of its highest revenues in 2020. So whether MTGSally says so otherwise, people are liking this, minus the occasional uproar. According to The Professor and CGB, among others, there's a big sentiment of discontent by the MTG community but we all know people will participate in it.
Freedom of choice is a ***** ain't it?
Take what you want from it.
'buster
HR Analyst. Gamer. Activist | Fearless, and forthright | Aggro-control is a mindset.
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this is your semi-regular encouragement to customize, proxy, print, etc. your own cards to play the game you want to play.
this keeps getting touted. that they made so much money during 2020 that everyone must love these decisions. normally that might be true... but
hobby spending saw a massive increase across the board, every single hobby, in 2020. we had nothing else to do. every single gaming hobby saw massive surges. i think its disingenuous for these companies to have made major decisions during that period and then to tout them as major successes based solely on sales data. regardless of what they did they were going to sell. its just the nature of hobbies during 2020. people were stuck at home and dumped a lot of money into those aspects of their lives. i think more time will really show us if these decisions were true successes or not.
if player backlash increases, or if bubbles suddenly burst, then it becomes very obvious that it was a poor decision that was not healthy for the game. that's another thing too, just because you're making money like gangbusters doesn't necessarily mean the game is healthy. these hobbies, especially this one, is also a game. its not just collecting, its not just hoarding, but we actively play. you can sell product hand over fist, but if no one wants to play the game that will catch up to you and your business model will collapse. under normal circumstances everything would be different, but 2020 was a mess. so... we'll see. right now there's a lot of vocal backlash, but we just keep spending anyway.
they're also decisions designed to drive hype, designed to drive you to buy packs without thinking long term, to fear missing out on new stuff or the next hot thing. they're changes to exploit you, to compel you to spend more. that's not long term sustainable - especially as the EV of a pack decreases and the cost of that pack increases (that's coming soon).
i'm wagering this'll all run out sooner rather than later, and then we'll all be saying what the **** happened like it hasn't been obvious.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||