- Merfolk that conjures Tropical Island by ETB exiling a nonmerfolk or a land from your hand, and +1/+0 EOT when a Merfolk or a Island ETBs under your control.
- and Mentor of Evos Isle, who gives ETB perpetually flying to a creature card in your hand (If I get it right)
i like her, and her artwork a lot. i'm more than a little irritated that it'll never be playable outside of the digital space. the decision to make digital only exclusives has honestly turned me off from using that medium to play completely. i don't want to support that business model, so i no longer will.
This easily could've been a paper card, geez...been waiting for a new Kiora. Now I'll never physically own one...weird...especially since I own a few too many Kraken Hatchlings! Grr...come on, we all have a ton of extra tokens we have to drag around, what's a few more cards...so, I have to take them out of my deck after each game, big deal...make it a paper!
Finally people realizing this digital only thing was a total failure in execution and with some little tweaks most of thse could had been paper legal for eternal formats.
Yeah can we have the spoiler on a site that doesn't require me to deactivate adblock in a language i don't know? Thanks
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
Can in the name of the lord somebody explain to me, what's the digital part of this card that wouldn't be "reasonably" or "logistically" be doable in paper?
Can in the name of the lord somebody explain to me, what's the digital part of this card that wouldn't be "reasonably" or "logistically" be doable in paper?
It's perfectly reasonable. It simply means they are trying out new things as well. The digital environments seems like a good place to try out new things regardless whether they can be done on paper or not. "Wins" seems to imply they creature you control did not die due to state based actions immediately following the fight while the other creature did. I bet we'll see it in paper.
Can in the name of the lord somebody explain to me, what's the digital part of this card that wouldn't be "reasonably" or "logistically" be doable in paper?
Right? I'd so love to get this in foil due to the art alone.
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Can in the name of the lord somebody explain to me, what's the digital part of this card that wouldn't be "reasonably" or "logistically" be doable in paper?
It's perfectly reasonable. It simply means they are trying out new things as well. The digital environments seems like a good place to try out new things regardless whether they can be done on paper or not. "Wins" seems to imply they creature you control did not die due to state based actions immediately following the fight while the other creature did. I bet we'll see it in paper.
I will repeat myself again : this digital-only experiment is a failure that nobody likes, both on intent and execution.
Uh oh. An affordable thassa who easily produces kraken and it’s digital only?
Someone better hide this from Tiro.
Too late.
When I first heard about these digital-exclusive cards, I thought to myself gee, what a terrible idea. But what's new? WOTC has been chock full of awful, detrimental, self-sabotaging, fan-alienating, devastating decisions that compromise the Magic brand lately. This is right on theme for them, right? And I almost thought I could simply avoid this problem, and be unaffected by it.
Honestly I don't even have strength left to HATE this game as much I deserve and need to FAWKING HATE THIS GAME
Here I am WAITING for WOTC to get off their collective uninspired, pathetic, profit-driven and creative-stifling asses and FINALLY deliver something WORTHWHILE and THEMATIC for a change as A LEGION OF SEA MONSTER FANS AND I BEG, PLEAD, BORROW AND STEAL for a reason to actually love their game, and when they AT LONG LONG LONG LAST design a new Kiora that I HAVE LONGED AND WAITED EONS FOR IN A GAME DEVOID OF ANYTHING WORTHWHILE SINCE THEROS BEYOND DEATH and FINALLY
FINALLY
Deliver a freaking Kiora with STUNNING ART and brilliant, thematic, archetype-supportive effects THAT I HAVE USED THE VERY LAST DEATH RATTLE OF MY DYING BREATH WHEEZED FROM THE DEPTHS OF MY DECREPIT ROTTING LUNGS TO PLEAD FOR (and whose effects could EASILY be adapted to a paper game, such as putting a 0/4 token into play or tutoring the card or ANYTHING, so you can spare me that BS IMMEDIATELY).... AFTER FINALLY ACTUALLY GETTING A CARD that manages to satisfy ever metric I have ever requested, wanted, longed and hoped for... EVEN AS SOMEONE NOTORIOUSLY DIFFICULT TO PLEASE
AFTER SEA MONSTER FANS HAVE NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING relative to everything else, and need a bone, and have been requesting oceanic themed cards and basically getting an 8 drop vanilla common ONCE A YEAR AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT, AFTER GETTING TRASH PLANESWALKERS AND NO KIORA OR ANYTHING OF INTEREST DESPITE ALL THESE REQUESTS
This gem of an artwork, jewel of a design, treasure of a thematic support card that answers every wish and prayer ocean fans have bloodied our knees in pleas for arrives.
And WOTC has the audacity, the spite, the livid, deep seated hatred of its own fan and consumer base to tell us that it will NEVER SEE PRINT? That this exact fulfillment of YEARS OF REQUESTS, YEARS OF PATIENCE AND WAITING, YEARS OF A DESIRE TO PATRONIZE THEIR PRODUCT is going to result in.....
Exclusion?
I suppose it really is part of their business model now. I mean,
As a Vorthos, the absent Theros novel and lore in ruins made me right at home
As LGBT, Greg Weisman's homophobic masterpiece performed wonders with inclusivity
As a fan of Magic IP, Universes Beyond has had been a splendid method of suggesting "you know what Tiro, you loving the actual Magic brand just isn't cutting it enough for us anymore."
And now we're here my friends. We're here, after a year of a pandemic in which everyone is broke, anxious, deprived and shaken. We're here... with the clearest, loudest, most vibrant message WOTC can send - that they truly do not want me to admire their IP. Because being a Kiora fan, a blue fan, a sea monster fan, a fan of something ACTUALLY MAGIC RELATED, WHICH I WAITED FOR, just isn't in the cards for me as an actual Magic player.
I can have Godzilla, The Walking Dead, Lord of the Rings, Dungeons and Dragons, and some other bullchit IP I never heard of that is some stupid show on TV no one watches whose name I neither know or remember or care to FAWKING know and will never commit to memory even if I did. I can have cards for all that. For all of those non-Magic characters, cards will be printed and cards will be had.
But not for this Kiora, from Magic the Gathering. See this character here, designed explicitly for this game? See Kiora from the books? Kiora from the lore? Kiora invented by MTG? See this art here, this gorgeous, high quality, stunning, remarkable, brilliant, brand-elevating artwork here that you have longed to love and have as part of this game you're so desperate to admire and patronize? That is something you'll never see, never own, never hold, never have as an aspect of this game ever, while everyone else with outrageous cross-brand demands gets their wishes fulfilled - me, a Magic fan, requesting a Magic IP character, supporting a Magic tribe, to play in Magic's best selling and leading premier format at the moment - I cannot have or enjoy this.
If you told me it would be easier to own a Gandalf card than an actual Kiora card like this in Magic the fawking ass Gathering paper game two years ago, I'd probably still believe you honestly.
It's as if WOTC doesn't want us playing this game except THEIR WAY. And that truly is as Yugioh, and as Konami as it gets.
AND I HATE YUGIOH AND KONAMI for this exact reason. I quit that TRASH. Because they punish fans of their game. They're oblivious to what players actually want, and do the opposite, banning cards and powercreeping people out of the game. And here we are, isolation, exclusion AND ABSOLUTE DISREGARD FOR LOGIC AND REASON, THE EQUIVALENT OF GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8 SUBVERTING EXPECTATIONS RIGHT?
It's just UNFATHOMABLE to me frankly. That they would have this art and design on hand, and it could have been celebrated in a Commander deck. It could have been a promo somewhere, or part of a current or future set, it literally could have been the CELEBRATED HIGHLIGHT of ANYTHING it was in, truly. The potential alone with this was astronomical.
And it was squandered in an attempt to spit in my face. I SWEAR, if someone sat down and EXPLICITLY tried to devise a way to screw me in particular, this was it.
Instead, they treat this fond opportunity to dash hopes and isolate people. You want this? You play Magic our way.
HEY WOTC. THIS HAS THE OPPOSITE EFFECT BY THE WAAAAAAAY now I HATE HISTORIC. I RESENT HISTORIC. I WILL NEVER, EVER TOUCH ARENA EVER EVER EVER AND I would sooner QUIT THIS GAME AND DROP YOUR BRAND than be forced.
Bring me the fool who thought of this. Bring them so I can tear them apart with my nails and teeth sis.
I will repeat myself again : this digital-only experiment is a failure that nobody likes, both on intent and execution.
I like it. Flawed, yes, but its got neat ideas. You're welcome to not like it, but your personal opinion doesn't define its success or failure.
Yeah, "A failure that nobody likes" is a bit strong for a product that's not even released yet. I'm willing to give it a chance.
Are you serious? It's neither strong nor intense ENOUGH
Imagine my abject horror, my pain, my ANGUISH at seeing this art and card, only to have my sudden elation, my thrill, the sudden swell of love and passion I felt for this game seeing my dearest desire come to fruition... all turn into dashed hopes, isolation, and exclusion.
But that's okay, perhaps when WOTC has mined all creative space dating back to 1950's cartoons they'll find the time to circle back to a Kiora card we can actually play
The sheer fact they had this artwork and design on hand is just unprecedented to me, in the worst of ways. And if they actually commissioned this for digital when paper magic was in dire need of a new Kiora and was requested, and they refused, even worse still.
You're welcome to not like it, but your personal opinion doesn't define its success or failure.
Oh by the way, my dear, it is not only my personal opinion as this thread and many others on the internet clearly shows. But seems you like to see only what you like to see. That's ok, I don't mind your opinion. I know already WotC is not receveing a good feedback of this whole bull*****
It's perfectly reasonable. It simply means they are trying out new things as well. The digital environments seems like a good place to try out new things regardless whether they can be done on paper or not. "Wins" seems to imply they creature you control did not die due to state based actions immediately following the fight while the other creature did. I bet we'll see it in paper.
Is a fight spell that draws you a card if your creature lives "new things?" Heck, many of these cards are really not trying anything new outside of Conjure, Seek (which is just random searching), and Davriel. It doesn't really feel like they're trying new things when Conjure is just Discover from Hearthstone.
More often than not many of the perpetual effects don't really affect much as it's not often a player repeatedly plays one singular card again and again, unless it has Escape.
This is a neat design. Draw a 1 mana 0/4 every turn that can be used to protect Kiora or upgraded into an 8/8 on a subsequent turn, and then another +1 that can also be used as protection or ramp.
It also has incidental interaction with opposing manlands!
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
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- Merfolk that conjures Tropical Island by ETB exiling a nonmerfolk or a land from your hand, and +1/+0 EOT when a Merfolk or a Island ETBs under your control.
- and Mentor of Evos Isle, who gives ETB perpetually flying to a creature card in your hand (If I get it right)
Let this great clan rest in peace (2001-2011)
Someone better hide this from Tiro.
(Nemo/Marlin and Dory in the art!)
Yeah can we have the spoiler on a site that doesn't require me to deactivate adblock in a language i don't know? Thanks
Can in the name of the lord somebody explain to me, what's the digital part of this card that wouldn't be "reasonably" or "logistically" be doable in paper?
It's perfectly reasonable. It simply means they are trying out new things as well. The digital environments seems like a good place to try out new things regardless whether they can be done on paper or not. "Wins" seems to imply they creature you control did not die due to state based actions immediately following the fight while the other creature did. I bet we'll see it in paper.
Right? I'd so love to get this in foil due to the art alone.
'buster
HR Analyst. Gamer. Activist | Fearless, and forthright | Aggro-control is a mindset.
Elspeth and Jhoira rock my world.
I will repeat myself again : this digital-only experiment is a failure that nobody likes, both on intent and execution.
I like it. Flawed, yes, but its got neat ideas. You're welcome to not like it, but your personal opinion doesn't define its success or failure.
Yeah, "A failure that nobody likes" is a bit strong for a product that's not even released yet. I'm willing to give it a chance.
You like the existence of cool designs you will never play on almost any format such Modern, EDH, Pioneer or else? Yeah me neither.
When I first heard about these digital-exclusive cards, I thought to myself gee, what a terrible idea. But what's new? WOTC has been chock full of awful, detrimental, self-sabotaging, fan-alienating, devastating decisions that compromise the Magic brand lately. This is right on theme for them, right? And I almost thought I could simply avoid this problem, and be unaffected by it.
Honestly I don't even have strength left to HATE this game as much I deserve and need to FAWKING HATE THIS GAME
Here I am WAITING for WOTC to get off their collective uninspired, pathetic, profit-driven and creative-stifling asses and FINALLY deliver something WORTHWHILE and THEMATIC for a change as A LEGION OF SEA MONSTER FANS AND I BEG, PLEAD, BORROW AND STEAL for a reason to actually love their game, and when they AT LONG LONG LONG LAST design a new Kiora that I HAVE LONGED AND WAITED EONS FOR IN A GAME DEVOID OF ANYTHING WORTHWHILE SINCE THEROS BEYOND DEATH and FINALLY
FINALLY
Deliver a freaking Kiora with STUNNING ART and brilliant, thematic, archetype-supportive effects THAT I HAVE USED THE VERY LAST DEATH RATTLE OF MY DYING BREATH WHEEZED FROM THE DEPTHS OF MY DECREPIT ROTTING LUNGS TO PLEAD FOR (and whose effects could EASILY be adapted to a paper game, such as putting a 0/4 token into play or tutoring the card or ANYTHING, so you can spare me that BS IMMEDIATELY).... AFTER FINALLY ACTUALLY GETTING A CARD that manages to satisfy ever metric I have ever requested, wanted, longed and hoped for... EVEN AS SOMEONE NOTORIOUSLY DIFFICULT TO PLEASE
AFTER SEA MONSTER FANS HAVE NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING relative to everything else, and need a bone, and have been requesting oceanic themed cards and basically getting an 8 drop vanilla common ONCE A YEAR AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT, AFTER GETTING TRASH PLANESWALKERS AND NO KIORA OR ANYTHING OF INTEREST DESPITE ALL THESE REQUESTS
This gem of an artwork, jewel of a design, treasure of a thematic support card that answers every wish and prayer ocean fans have bloodied our knees in pleas for arrives.
And WOTC has the audacity, the spite, the livid, deep seated hatred of its own fan and consumer base to tell us that it will NEVER SEE PRINT? That this exact fulfillment of YEARS OF REQUESTS, YEARS OF PATIENCE AND WAITING, YEARS OF A DESIRE TO PATRONIZE THEIR PRODUCT is going to result in.....
Exclusion?
I suppose it really is part of their business model now. I mean,
As a Vorthos, the absent Theros novel and lore in ruins made me right at home
As LGBT, Greg Weisman's homophobic masterpiece performed wonders with inclusivity
As a fan of Magic IP, Universes Beyond has had been a splendid method of suggesting "you know what Tiro, you loving the actual Magic brand just isn't cutting it enough for us anymore."
And now we're here my friends. We're here, after a year of a pandemic in which everyone is broke, anxious, deprived and shaken. We're here... with the clearest, loudest, most vibrant message WOTC can send - that they truly do not want me to admire their IP. Because being a Kiora fan, a blue fan, a sea monster fan, a fan of something ACTUALLY MAGIC RELATED, WHICH I WAITED FOR, just isn't in the cards for me as an actual Magic player.
I can have Godzilla, The Walking Dead, Lord of the Rings, Dungeons and Dragons, and some other bullchit IP I never heard of that is some stupid show on TV no one watches whose name I neither know or remember or care to FAWKING know and will never commit to memory even if I did. I can have cards for all that. For all of those non-Magic characters, cards will be printed and cards will be had.
But not for this Kiora, from Magic the Gathering. See this character here, designed explicitly for this game? See Kiora from the books? Kiora from the lore? Kiora invented by MTG? See this art here, this gorgeous, high quality, stunning, remarkable, brilliant, brand-elevating artwork here that you have longed to love and have as part of this game you're so desperate to admire and patronize? That is something you'll never see, never own, never hold, never have as an aspect of this game ever, while everyone else with outrageous cross-brand demands gets their wishes fulfilled - me, a Magic fan, requesting a Magic IP character, supporting a Magic tribe, to play in Magic's best selling and leading premier format at the moment - I cannot have or enjoy this.
If you told me it would be easier to own a Gandalf card than an actual Kiora card like this in Magic the fawking ass Gathering paper game two years ago, I'd probably still believe you honestly.
It's as if WOTC doesn't want us playing this game except THEIR WAY. And that truly is as Yugioh, and as Konami as it gets.
AND I HATE YUGIOH AND KONAMI for this exact reason. I quit that TRASH. Because they punish fans of their game. They're oblivious to what players actually want, and do the opposite, banning cards and powercreeping people out of the game. And here we are, isolation, exclusion AND ABSOLUTE DISREGARD FOR LOGIC AND REASON, THE EQUIVALENT OF GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8 SUBVERTING EXPECTATIONS RIGHT?
It's just UNFATHOMABLE to me frankly. That they would have this art and design on hand, and it could have been celebrated in a Commander deck. It could have been a promo somewhere, or part of a current or future set, it literally could have been the CELEBRATED HIGHLIGHT of ANYTHING it was in, truly. The potential alone with this was astronomical.
And it was squandered in an attempt to spit in my face. I SWEAR, if someone sat down and EXPLICITLY tried to devise a way to screw me in particular, this was it.
Instead, they treat this fond opportunity to dash hopes and isolate people. You want this? You play Magic our way.
HEY WOTC. THIS HAS THE OPPOSITE EFFECT BY THE WAAAAAAAY now I HATE HISTORIC. I RESENT HISTORIC. I WILL NEVER, EVER TOUCH ARENA EVER EVER EVER AND I would sooner QUIT THIS GAME AND DROP YOUR BRAND than be forced.
Bring me the fool who thought of this. Bring them so I can tear them apart with my nails and teeth sis.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Imagine my abject horror, my pain, my ANGUISH at seeing this art and card, only to have my sudden elation, my thrill, the sudden swell of love and passion I felt for this game seeing my dearest desire come to fruition... all turn into dashed hopes, isolation, and exclusion.
But that's okay, perhaps when WOTC has mined all creative space dating back to 1950's cartoons they'll find the time to circle back to a Kiora card we can actually play
The sheer fact they had this artwork and design on hand is just unprecedented to me, in the worst of ways. And if they actually commissioned this for digital when paper magic was in dire need of a new Kiora and was requested, and they refused, even worse still.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Oh by the way, my dear, it is not only my personal opinion as this thread and many others on the internet clearly shows. But seems you like to see only what you like to see. That's ok, I don't mind your opinion. I know already WotC is not receveing a good feedback of this whole bull*****
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Yeah, I'm going to proxy my Davriel too anyway. Thank god WotC doesn't own casual kitchen table games yet.
Is a fight spell that draws you a card if your creature lives "new things?" Heck, many of these cards are really not trying anything new outside of Conjure, Seek (which is just random searching), and Davriel. It doesn't really feel like they're trying new things when Conjure is just Discover from Hearthstone.
More often than not many of the perpetual effects don't really affect much as it's not often a player repeatedly plays one singular card again and again, unless it has Escape.
It also has incidental interaction with opposing manlands!
I was gonna say it if you didn't, Kiora lookin kinda thicc