113.6A
Characteristic-defining abilities function everywhere, even outside the game. They also function before the game begins, and this rule was given an update to clarify that fact so that you know you can have Kaheera, the Orphanguard be your companion when there are Shapeshifters with the changeling ability in your deck. Rule 604.3 is receiving the same update.
113.6C
Most abilities that don't function on the battlefield state what zone they do function in. Grist, the Hunger Tide has a new kind of ability that instead states what zone it doesn't function in. A new rule tells us that this functions in every other zone, including outside the game and before the game begins. This means that Grist can be your commander but can't be played in a deck with Kaheera, the Orphanguard as your companion. The rest of the rules in this section have moved down one letter.
Second the phyrexian errata wave
With the Arrival of Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider and the Phyrexian creature type, a swath of other creatures has also been revealed to have that type. In total, around 250 cards were updated. Most of these gained the creature type Phyrexian, but some of them create Phyrexian tokens or become Phyrexian creatures due to an ability. None of these cards lost any types they previously had.
and one note Consecrated Sphinx still not added and Chancellor of the Forge still has the possible text glitch
(upkeep makes a phyrexian goblin but not the ETB it just makes regular old Goblins)
and yes they missed some
Not phyrexian but could be fixed on the future
With Phyrexian watermark Beast Within (name could be used on any plane) Consecrated Sphinx (most likely due to Amonkhet invocation and the secret lair) Fresh Meat (name could be used on any plane)
This could explain why we haven't revisited Mirrodin yet which would be the ideal plane to print new creature cards with the Phyrexian creature type actually printed on the cards and why Wizards of the Coast hesitated to print new versions of the other Praetors after Vorinclex in Kaldheim. Interesting. They're probably trying to set things up for a set theme in the next Mirrodin expansion focused around supporting Phyrexians as an actual creature type similar to what we saw in Modern Horizons 2 with Squirrels.
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Does this mean any of these where the creature type won't fit they will never reprint?
Is Atraxa on the reserve list now?
Wizards of the Coast could just shrink the text to fit in the creature type name like they did with Neheb in Hour of Devastation and War of the Spark. If they can fit in "Zombie Minotaur Warrior" on a physical card then they can easily fit in "Phyrexian Angel Horror" as well.
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Oh yeah Western and Eastern paladin are now rightfully phyrexian and now 7ed can be interpreted as a conflict right before the phyrexian invasion of Dominaria
soo glad i made a outrage about them not getting the phyrexian creature type
i'm not too keen on these changes. it makes sense for atraxa, sure, but something like blight mamba need not be phyrexia specific, so why make it so? Blightwidow makes sense without the creature type, the watermark does the same job without fundamentally changing the functionality of the card. Same with the paladins, which can but don't by default fit phyrexian flavor. What do we gain from this???
other than old cards that are no longer playable as written.
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other than old cards that are no longer playable as written.
I'm missing what you are exactly complaining here. How the article says "None of these cards lost any types they previously had.", which means being phyrexian waa simply an additive process, nothing that was possible before is not possibile also now, tribal possibilities not only are the same, but are now extended.
something like blight mamba need not be phyrexia specific, so why make it so?
Consistency and to help players. Help them to make phyrexian tribals or to recognize a phyrexian creature for anti-tribal purposes (ex: Plague Engineer) in a intuitive way without the need to see the oracle update every single time. Scars block was the last time we had a massive phyrexian spawn, so it's highly likely many players have most of the phyrexian cards from that block.
other than old cards that are no longer playable as written.
I'm missing what you are exactly complaining here. How the article says "None of these cards lost any types they previously had.", which means being phyrexian waa simply an additive process, nothing that was possible before is not possibile also now, tribal possibilities not only are the same, but are now extended.
something like blight mamba need not be phyrexia specific, so why make it so?
Consistency and to help players. Help them to make phyrexian tribals or to recognize a phyrexian creature for anti-tribal purposes (ex: Plague Engineer) in a intuitive way without the need to see the oracle update every single time. Scars block was the last time we had a massive phyrexian spawn, so it's highly likely many players have most of the phyrexian cards from that block.
I agree Blight Mamba mechanically and flavor text-wise phyrexian, so it can be intuitively phyrexian, but there is definitely some gray area. 7th Edition Eastern Paladins and Western Paladins could definitely confuse people, and thank goodness Hollow Dogs is terrible because now it has three types, none of which have ever been printed on the card.
7th Edition Eastern Paladins and Western Paladins could definitely confuse people
The worst case for this matter is the Consecrated Sphinx as it's the only phyrexian watermaked card from Scars to not receive the errata, apparently because of very few and relatively obscure reprintings not many know about. THAT will confuse a massive amount of players, and mainly because, unlikely the Paladin, the Sphinx is much more powerful, more recent and much more popular in EDH.
The worst case for this matter is the Consecrated Sphinx as it's the only phyrexian watermaked card from Scars to not receive the errata, apparently because of very few and relatively obscure reprintings not many know about. THAT will confuse a massive amount of players, and mainly because, unlikely the Paladin, the Sphinx is much more powerful, more recent and much more popular in EDH.
this is true in reverse for every other card that mechanically (i.e. ignoring aesthetics--watermark, flavor text, art) gained the Phyrexian type. This now precludes them being reprinted outside of certain flavor-specific settings. This is an advantage of flavor-neutral names. Additionally there are only a handful of subtypes that are Magic-specific. This neuters the advantages of both.
other than old cards that are no longer playable as written.
I'm missing what you are exactly complaining here. How the article says "None of these cards lost any types they previously had.", which means being phyrexian waa simply an additive process, nothing that was possible before is not possibile also now, tribal possibilities not only are the same, but are now extended.
the additions fundamentally change the cards' gameplay function. This is done very rarely, and this seems to be an unprecedented move both in volume and in scope. They've updated creatures types to align with intended functionality before, but I don't think they've ever added so much. I'm not complaining, I'm saying there is not yet a good reason as to why. Kind of unprecedented. With the hounds update, it was pretty straightforward what was and was not a dog. Same with dinosaurs. In both cases, the majority of type updates were changes, usually from one type to another.
something like blight mamba need not be phyrexia specific, so why make it so?
Consistency and to help players. Help them to make phyrexian tribals or to recognize a phyrexian creature for anti-tribal purposes (ex: Plague Engineer) in a intuitive way without the need to see the oracle update every single time. Scars block was the last time we had a massive phyrexian spawn, so it's highly likely many players have most of the phyrexian cards from that block.
Intuitive updates are one thing, of specific single digits cards.
Updating in mass like this is not good, as it produces issues in old cards that suddenly functional are different and its not intuitive.
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What this actually does, is "promote" the reprints of these cards, as they have the "correct" printing text.
A lot of people will abandon old cards in favor of the current oracle text, and as they do this kind of stunt quite often (its more often rules changes, wording changes and so on), and if they do it, chances are they will throw these cards in products, like a Commander "Phyrexian" (or 5 of them for each color).
As we are going back to Mirrodin its basically guaranteed to get something like a Reprint-List for all these Phyrexian cards.
The big deal is to sell reprints and push this future product on people.
For most players its just annoying, for some its nice to have a super-tribal of Phyrexian, but in the end it quite drastically deludes tribal types (like making all artifact creatures into "constructs" would be on that level).
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Its not necessary and its more annoying that helpful to make these Oracle updates.
But WotC couldnt care less, if anything promotes the "current" reprint as superior, they are in.
Can you tell me what dies without looking at the list?
That's a sorcery that's done in one. What if I cast Coat of Arms? Can you easily tell what gets boosted?
This is a change that could have massive impact, and I'm curious as to why they would do this.
For the black paladins: They were suposed to be phyrexians from the start, and as of now they will create/cause the same type of confusion with their race type:
Before getting the phyrexian type the black paladins were erated to be Zombies (you can make the same argument with zombie tribal cards and their human looking arts) . And it may make sense within their Urza's Saga art (8th too) (Eastern Paladin) but it makes absolute no sense on 7th edition (Eastern Paladin).
And yeah Eratas are for that, if you don't have the most recent printing after a erata you should know about it or be ok playing it wrong, just look at the amount of RL cards that have diferent text from their most recent erata.
Can you tell me what dies without looking at the list?
That's a sorcery that's done in one. What if I cast Coat of Arms? Can you easily tell what gets boosted?
This is a change that could have massive impact, and I'm curious as to why they would do this.
I'm confused about the inclusion of Blind Zealot, Spiteful Bully, Mercenary Informer, Northern Paladin and Dauthi Mercenary. The first two are painfully obviously phyrexians, the latter three decidedly non-phyrexian and I'm confused why these would cause any issue???
Eastern Paladin could be an issue depending on printing and Viseling is a little bit too subtle/obscure for players to figure out intuitively it's a phyrexian, fair.
Really one of the biggest problems here is Consecrated Sphinx, and you could make an argument that cards like it are precisely the reason this errata shouldn't be done. But I mean these kinda arguments could be made for any creature type errata. Classes are much more arbitrary and probably cause more confusion for older cards. Then again classes have more merit as creature types imo, than phyrexian so.
the additions fundamentally change the cards' gameplay function. This is done very rarely, and this seems to be an unprecedented move both in volume and in scope. They've updated creatures types to align with intended functionality before, but I don't think they've ever added so much. I'm not complaining, I'm saying there is not yet a good reason as to why. Kind of unprecedented. With the hounds update, it was pretty straightforward what was and was not a dog. Same with dinosaurs. In both cases, the majority of type updates were changes, usually from one type to another.
The signs on the wall point to us returning to New Phyrexia soon and likely will feature phyrexia tribal. Also if they are doing slow invasions or something we could see a one off creature in a set (similar to vorinclex in kaldheim) and have a "Professor Oynx is really Liliana" f that it could be a spy or secret agent that only has subtle or no phyrexia features but the creature type tells us whats really going on.
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Are non-creature cards not getting this errata as well?
Arguably, Phyrexian arena should also definitely/inherently have the subtype Phyrexian now!
It would need tribal as well - subtypes are not shared between types (currently - not counting tribal, which just allows all creature types), so yu cant just add it as an enchantment type. I do not think WoTC has ever added tribal on a nonteibal card, even if it has a very strong flavor with just one type (e.g. there are quite a few cards that are associated with elves, but no elf type).
Consecrated Sphinx is wellknown enough that it can be the unique phyrexian water marked card without the phyrexian type.
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Can you tell me what dies without looking at the list?
That's a sorcery that's done in one. What if I cast Coat of Arms? Can you easily tell what gets boosted?
This is a change that could have massive impact, and I'm curious as to why they would do this.
I'm afraid I agree with you. WotC didn't made the Sphinx phyrexian, so it didn't act with a 100% coherent criteria. But if Sphinx was phyrexian, then your issue would be solved easily : only the first printing of the card would count. So, both Sphinx and Paladins would be phyrexians for that criteria. Unfortunatelu the fact that the Sphinx wasn't errated it does mess a lot of things, as you noticed.
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https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/oracle-changes-2021-06-18
New rules and changes
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/comprehensive-rules-changes-2021-06-18
lets get the most important stuff out of the way
first this is how grist can be your commander
Second the phyrexian errata wave
and now we can build the tribal with Yawgmoth, Thran Physician, Atraxa, Praetors' Voice and Morophon, the Boundless
and one note Consecrated Sphinx still not added and
Chancellor of the Forge still has the possible text glitch
(upkeep makes a phyrexian goblin but not the ETB it just makes regular old Goblins)
and yes they missed some
Not phyrexian but could be fixed on the future
With Phyrexian watermark
Beast Within (name could be used on any plane)
Consecrated Sphinx (most likely due to Amonkhet invocation and the secret lair)
Fresh Meat (name could be used on any plane)
Phyrexian by flavor text
Blood Vassal
Metathran Zombie
Profane Transfusion
Spined Fluke
Trench Wurm
Vodalian Zombie
Wall of Junk
Phyrexian by Lore
Dragon Engine
Mycosynth Golem
Ramos, Dragon Engine (is a Dragon Engine)
Traxos, Scourge of Kroog (is a Dragon Engine)
Witch Engine
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"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
Is Atraxa on the reserve list now?
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"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
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"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
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soo glad i made a outrage about them not getting the phyrexian creature type
If you look at template types of
Brokkos, Apex of Forever
Neheb, the Eternal and Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion
Sen triplets
The answer is no
as A matter of fact atraxa's template is exactly the same length as brokkos
If there was one to worry about it’s the new record for the longest one with Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer (40 letters)
edit:maros words on this
https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/654435414927622144/hey-mark-with-the-phyrexian-errata-officially
so yes it became a challenge to reprint some of the phyrexians but they have creative solutions in the holster
but simplicity is added a text like Stonework Packbeast
other than old cards that are no longer playable as written.
I'm missing what you are exactly complaining here. How the article says "None of these cards lost any types they previously had.", which means being phyrexian waa simply an additive process, nothing that was possible before is not possibile also now, tribal possibilities not only are the same, but are now extended.
Consistency and to help players. Help them to make phyrexian tribals or to recognize a phyrexian creature for anti-tribal purposes (ex: Plague Engineer) in a intuitive way without the need to see the oracle update every single time. Scars block was the last time we had a massive phyrexian spawn, so it's highly likely many players have most of the phyrexian cards from that block.
I agree Blight Mamba mechanically and flavor text-wise phyrexian, so it can be intuitively phyrexian, but there is definitely some gray area. 7th Edition Eastern Paladins and Western Paladins could definitely confuse people, and thank goodness Hollow Dogs is terrible because now it has three types, none of which have ever been printed on the card.
The worst case for this matter is the Consecrated Sphinx as it's the only phyrexian watermaked card from Scars to not receive the errata, apparently because of very few and relatively obscure reprintings not many know about. THAT will confuse a massive amount of players, and mainly because, unlikely the Paladin, the Sphinx is much more powerful, more recent and much more popular in EDH.
this is true in reverse for every other card that mechanically (i.e. ignoring aesthetics--watermark, flavor text, art) gained the Phyrexian type. This now precludes them being reprinted outside of certain flavor-specific settings. This is an advantage of flavor-neutral names. Additionally there are only a handful of subtypes that are Magic-specific. This neuters the advantages of both.
the additions fundamentally change the cards' gameplay function. This is done very rarely, and this seems to be an unprecedented move both in volume and in scope. They've updated creatures types to align with intended functionality before, but I don't think they've ever added so much. I'm not complaining, I'm saying there is not yet a good reason as to why. Kind of unprecedented. With the hounds update, it was pretty straightforward what was and was not a dog. Same with dinosaurs. In both cases, the majority of type updates were changes, usually from one type to another.
This is actually extremely un-intuitive.
I control Blind Zealot and Viseling. The 4color atraxa deck controls consecrated sphinx and Eastern Paladin. A third friend playing Knight Tribal controls dauthi mercenary and Northern Paladin. The fourth player controls Mercenary Informer and Spiteful Bully. I cast kindred dominance naming "phyrexian".
Can you tell me what dies without looking at the list?
That's a sorcery that's done in one. What if I cast Coat of Arms? Can you easily tell what gets boosted?
This is a change that could have massive impact, and I'm curious as to why they would do this.
Updating in mass like this is not good, as it produces issues in old cards that suddenly functional are different and its not intuitive.
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What this actually does, is "promote" the reprints of these cards, as they have the "correct" printing text.
A lot of people will abandon old cards in favor of the current oracle text, and as they do this kind of stunt quite often (its more often rules changes, wording changes and so on), and if they do it, chances are they will throw these cards in products, like a Commander "Phyrexian" (or 5 of them for each color).
As we are going back to Mirrodin its basically guaranteed to get something like a Reprint-List for all these Phyrexian cards.
The big deal is to sell reprints and push this future product on people.
For most players its just annoying, for some its nice to have a super-tribal of Phyrexian, but in the end it quite drastically deludes tribal types (like making all artifact creatures into "constructs" would be on that level).
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Its not necessary and its more annoying that helpful to make these Oracle updates.
But WotC couldnt care less, if anything promotes the "current" reprint as superior, they are in.
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they actually missed some cards but probably have reasons for some but really no excuse for some as well.
With Phyrexian watermark
Beast Within
Consecrated Sphinx (most likely due to Amonkhet invocation and the secret lair)
Fresh Meat
Phyrexian by flavor text
Blood Vassal
Metathran Zombie
Profane Transfusion
Spined Fluke
Trench Wurm
Vodalian Zombie
Wall of Junk
Phyrexian by Lore
Dragon Engine
Mycosynth Golem
Ramos, Dragon Engine (is a Dragon Engine)
Traxos, Scourge of Kroog (is a Dragon Engine)
Witch Engine
For the black paladins: They were suposed to be phyrexians from the start, and as of now they will create/cause the same type of confusion with their race type:
Before getting the phyrexian type the black paladins were erated to be Zombies (you can make the same argument with zombie tribal cards and their human looking arts) . And it may make sense within their Urza's Saga art (8th too) (Eastern Paladin) but it makes absolute no sense on 7th edition (Eastern Paladin).
(Western Paladin , Western Paladin)
(Corrupt, Duress, grapeshot catapult, infernal contract) (at least as phyrexians both their art fit for the new type)
And yeah Eratas are for that, if you don't have the most recent printing after a erata you should know about it or be ok playing it wrong, just look at the amount of RL cards that have diferent text from their most recent erata.
I'm confused about the inclusion of Blind Zealot, Spiteful Bully, Mercenary Informer, Northern Paladin and Dauthi Mercenary. The first two are painfully obviously phyrexians, the latter three decidedly non-phyrexian and I'm confused why these would cause any issue???
Eastern Paladin could be an issue depending on printing and Viseling is a little bit too subtle/obscure for players to figure out intuitively it's a phyrexian, fair.
Really one of the biggest problems here is Consecrated Sphinx, and you could make an argument that cards like it are precisely the reason this errata shouldn't be done. But I mean these kinda arguments could be made for any creature type errata. Classes are much more arbitrary and probably cause more confusion for older cards. Then again classes have more merit as creature types imo, than phyrexian so.
The signs on the wall point to us returning to New Phyrexia soon and likely will feature phyrexia tribal. Also if they are doing slow invasions or something we could see a one off creature in a set (similar to vorinclex in kaldheim) and have a "Professor Oynx is really Liliana" f that it could be a spy or secret agent that only has subtle or no phyrexia features but the creature type tells us whats really going on.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
Are non-creature cards not getting this errata as well?
Arguably, Phyrexian arena should also definitely/inherently have the subtype Phyrexian now!
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It would need tribal as well - subtypes are not shared between types (currently - not counting tribal, which just allows all creature types), so yu cant just add it as an enchantment type. I do not think WoTC has ever added tribal on a nonteibal card, even if it has a very strong flavor with just one type (e.g. there are quite a few cards that are associated with elves, but no elf type).
Consecrated Sphinx is wellknown enough that it can be the unique phyrexian water marked card without the phyrexian type.
You forgot the plane card The Fourth Sphere -- it should definitely make Phyrexian Zombie tokens.
I'm afraid I agree with you. WotC didn't made the Sphinx phyrexian, so it didn't act with a 100% coherent criteria. But if Sphinx was phyrexian, then your issue would be solved easily : only the first printing of the card would count. So, both Sphinx and Paladins would be phyrexians for that criteria. Unfortunatelu the fact that the Sphinx wasn't errated it does mess a lot of things, as you noticed.