Kind of interesting that they briefly slipped in the fact that the 5 houses were established by "Elder Dragons". They sound like plausible legendary face cards for the on-theme Commander Decks for this set, and probably with some "professors" or unique legendary creatures as the other secondary Commanders for the decks.
In addition to this, they also mentioned 81 new cards for the Commander decks! Holy cow. I would guess we probably have approximately 15 new cards per deck, and 6 cards (Probably artifacts and lands) that fit into each deck. I imagine this includes cards from the actual Strixhaven set: these decks feel pretty similar to the Ikoira decks.
I don't think they'd make a cycle of elder dragon founders for the commander decks, they'd go in the main set for sure. A) because they want to differentiate the commander decks more than that, and B) because non commander players would be disappointed. It'd be like making Ikoria's Apex monsters the C20 commanders.
On the other hand they talked about how linking the commander decks to the main set can do some fun ideas such as having Jirina Kudro as the face of the deck and not in the set despite her arguably being the main heroic character in Ikoria.
Also thinking on how people were upset that many of the Elder Dragons in Tarkir where not all made to be commanders coughDragonlord Kolaghancough
dude kolaghan is the only bad one when I comes to commander’s but she’s slowing becoming more useful from those relentless rats and Persistent Petitioners decks in edh and more any number will pop out eventually
Kind of interesting that they briefly slipped in the fact that the 5 houses were established by "Elder Dragons". They sound like plausible legendary face cards for the on-theme Commander Decks for this set, and probably with some "professors" or unique legendary creatures as the other secondary Commanders for the decks.
In addition to this, they also mentioned 81 new cards for the Commander decks! Holy cow. I would guess we probably have approximately 15 new cards per deck, and 6 cards (Probably artifacts and lands) that fit into each deck. I imagine this includes cards from the actual Strixhaven set: these decks feel pretty similar to the Ikoira decks.
I don't think they'd make a cycle of elder dragon founders for the commander decks, they'd go in the main set for sure. A) because they want to differentiate the commander decks more than that, and B) because non commander players would be disappointed. It'd be like making Ikoria's Apex monsters the C20 commanders.
On the other hand they talked about how linking the commander decks to the main set can do some fun ideas such as having Jirina Kudro as the face of the deck and not in the set despite her arguably being the main heroic character in Ikoria.
Also thinking on how people were upset that many of the Elder Dragons in Tarkir where not all made to be commanders coughDragonlord Kolaghancough
dude kolaghan is the only bad one when I comes to commander’s but she’s slowing becoming more useful from those relentless rats and Persistent Petitioners decks in edh and more any number will pop out eventually
Kolaghan triggers off opponents though, its more of a counter for those deck that something you can build around.
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Wait, correct me if I'm wrong, but you can sack the Spirit you just made with Lorehold Command to draw 2, right?
I believe you are correct! Since you don't have to target the permanent you are sacrificing, you can choose the token since you perform each action in the order printed on the card. I could be wrong, though; I haven't taken the judge's tests in 4-5 years. That said, cards printed without targeting, or without sacrifice as part of the cost, or saying choose X generally allow you to choose the thing you want to sacrifice when you get to that part during the resolution of the spell.
I don't think they'd make a cycle of elder dragon founders for the commander decks, they'd go in the main set for sure. A) because they want to differentiate the commander decks more than that, and B) because non commander players would be disappointed. It'd be like making Ikoria's Apex monsters the C20 commanders.
On the other hand they talked about how linking the commander decks to the main set can do some fun ideas such as having Jirina Kudro as the face of the deck and not in the set despite her arguably being the main heroic character in Ikoria.
Also thinking on how people were upset that many of the Elder Dragons in Tarkir where not all made to be commanders coughDragonlord Kolaghancough
dude kolaghan is the only bad one when I comes to commander’s but she’s slowing becoming more useful from those relentless rats and Persistent Petitioners decks in edh and more any number will pop out eventually
Kolaghan triggers off opponents though, its more of a counter for those deck that something you can build around.
It's also a big flyer that gives all your creatures haste. Not exactly Mishra, Artificer Prodigy level.
Jirina Kudro's different from elder dragons. I fully expect the commander decks to be tied in to the set and a human that figures prominently in the book is a fine way to do that, but something big and splashy like the enemy colored elder dragons should be released in the product for everyone, not the one aimed at one specific format. I am sure they will still all make sense as commanders, since they design with commander in mind more now than they did when Dragons of Tarkir was released.
Wait, correct me if I'm wrong, but you can sack the Spirit you just made with Lorehold Command to draw 2, right?
I believe you are correct! Since you don't have to target the permanent you are sacrificing, you can choose the token since you perform each action in the order printed on the card. I could be wrong, though; I haven't taken the judge's tests in 4-5 years. That said, cards printed without targeting, or without sacrifice as part of the cost, or saying choose X generally allow you to choose the thing you want to sacrifice when you get to that part during the resolution of the spell.
You are correct on the matter. For a modal card with multiple actions, you do them in the order they are printed. So with Lorehold Command you may choose to make a spirit, sac it, then draw two cards.
The only exception would be if the ability targeted. If the option said, "Sacrifice target permanent then draw two cards" then it wouldn't work because you need to choose targets when you play the spell. Since it doesn't you can make the spirit and then sacrifice any permanent that exists after that point.
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but something big and splashy like the enemy colored elder dragons should be released in the product for everyone, not the one aimed at one specific format.
So they will print them as 4 mana 3/3, otherwise they will be unplayable anywhere else beside commander?
Elder Dragons are perfect cards for the format that once was Elder Dragon Highlander. This way they will go full timmy instead of printing something small and sad like Aegar, the freezing flame
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
They couldn't use the term "mana cost" because it's already in use. It means the cost as written in the upper corner of the card.
In English, we have this thing called context. Context adapts the meaning of a thing based on the wording composure or inflection.
For example, when you add a number (such as 2) to the end of "mana cost", it changes the context and adapts a second meaning.
Now, 'mana cost 2' means a mana cost totaling 2 mana of any kind or combination.
Oh, so Talisman of Dominance has mana cost 2 and mana cost while counterspell has mana cost 2 but doesn’t have mana cost ... yeah, that looks similar enough on some cards (especially on artifacts that already have a gray background) that it might cause design issues.
Jirina Kudro's different from elder dragons. I fully expect the commander decks to be tied in to the set and a human that figures prominently in the book is a fine way to do that, but something big and splashy like the enemy colored elder dragons should be released in the product for everyone, not the one aimed at one specific format. I am sure they will still all make sense as commanders, since they design with commander in mind more now than they did when Dragons of Tarkir was released.
I mean we yet to see anything of the dragons but the five "heads" of the school have been featured a ton on the set packaging. I'd think its just as likely those 5 are the splashy mythic rares.
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Context-specific meanings are fine in conversation, but MTG wording is legalistic. Things need to have one distinct meaning. It's already bad enough that "counter" has two meanings, and they're different parts of speech (verb counter target spell, noun +1/+1 counter).
I wonder how the Ur-dragon made these 5 elder dragons personalities and is even involved
My pet theory right now is that all these Strixhaven elder dragons are descendants of Ugin.
Ugin's mere dragon tempests on Tarkir already birthed dragons that grew impressive enough to become elder dragons (e.g. Dragonlord Dromoka), so why can't Ugin be personally involved in another batch of non-Dominarian elder dragons? Maybe the teacherly tendencies are actually from their planeswalker dragon father....
but something big and splashy like the enemy colored elder dragons should be released in the product for everyone, not the one aimed at one specific format.
So they will print them as 4 mana 3/3, otherwise they will be unplayable anywhere else beside commander?
Elder Dragons are perfect cards for the format that once was Elder Dragon Highlander. This way they will go full timmy instead of printing something small and sad like Aegar, the freezing flame
No one plays Aegar outside commander either. Going "full Timmy" probably won't make them good for commander either. Yes, if they're cool, people will want to build commander decks them even if they're not good, but people casually play other formats than commander too. And, just so we're totally clear, the cards in the main set also go into commander, just not the other way around.
Jirina Kudro's different from elder dragons. I fully expect the commander decks to be tied in to the set and a human that figures prominently in the book is a fine way to do that, but something big and splashy like the enemy colored elder dragons should be released in the product for everyone, not the one aimed at one specific format. I am sure they will still all make sense as commanders, since they design with commander in mind more now than they did when Dragons of Tarkir was released.
I mean we yet to see anything of the dragons but the five "heads" of the school have been featured a ton on the set packaging. I'd think its just as likely those 5 are the splashy mythic rares.
Did they confirm that that's who those were? Booster art's previously been to be anything from important legendaries to art that's not even from the set.
I would've thought Dragonlord Kolaghan made for a pretty okay general given the mass haste, with the last text line being basically trinket text in EDH
Elder Dragons are perfect cards for the format that once was Elder Dragon Highlander. This way they will go full timmy instead of printing something small and sad like Aegar, the freezing flame
I'm quite certain that the Elder Dragon Founders will be mythic rares rather than uncommons.
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Elder Dragons are perfect cards for the format that once was Elder Dragon Highlander. This way they will go full timmy instead of printing something small and sad like Aegar, the freezing flame
I'm quite certain that the Elder Dragon Founders will be mythic rares rather than uncommons.
They could be the Face Commanders of the new Commander decks. Maybe even a High Ranking Member and a Star Pupil for each of the colleges as well.
I want to talk about Lorehold Command. That last choice is unique for a red or white card. Since when do red or white sacrifice things to draw? Weirder yet combined with the first choice you can convert this card into basically reading "draw two cards". Five mana is a bit much to draw two but since when does this color pair get unconditional or in this sell fulfilling card draw?.
I hope this is a new color ability granted to red or white. White especially as it doesn't even have impulse draw like red. But both colors could use a way to draw. As is both are weak in this area. White is so bad off in the card draw department that it actively makes playing mono white hard in commander as you are always out resourced. Please let this be a new white ability. White needs it bad.
Anyway this is the most generally useful command of the new commands. Five mana is a big ask but given all four modes have there uses most games, I could see this finding a home in a few Boros commander decks. Especially if that Boros deck is a go wide aggro deck. I know it has no business in a competitive deck, but let's be honest, a Boros commander deck likely isn't going to be all that competitive to start with.
Boros card draw, dang it isn't great, but beggars aren't choosers after all. Boros in the card draw department are definitely beggars. Yes, I realize red has better options with its impulsive draw, but none that can save your army in a pinch, remove something small, or pump your dudes to add that last little bit of damage if needs be. I like this command. Am I nuts?
I want to talk about Lorehold Command. That last choice is unique for a red or white card. Since when do red or white sacrifice things to draw? Weirder yet combined with the first choice you can convert this card into basically reading "draw two cards". Five mana is a bit much to draw two but since when does this color pair get unconditional or in this sell fulfilling card draw?.
It's actually a Red ability, albeit bent in an unique way. Red gets rummaging (get rid of a card to draw 1) and Red is allowed to go "one up" (discard 1 to draw 2, usually to offset the cost of the card itself). The "one up" rule is easy to exploit in a modal card like this one since you offset the card's cost by getting a secondary effect as this card does with its token shenanigans.
Of course, while Red gets rummaging, "sac to draw" is a bit more rare. It can do that, but only lands or artifacts as "sac to draw" creatures is Black. Maybe the logic here is that instead Boros could theoretically extend rummaging to any permanent, as White can return any of its own permanents to the hand and therefore W bounce any permanent + R discard card to draw = WR use any permanent to draw?
I want to talk about Lorehold Command. That last choice is unique for a red or white card. Since when do red or white sacrifice things to draw? Weirder yet combined with the first choice you can convert this card into basically reading "draw two cards". Five mana is a bit much to draw two but since when does this color pair get unconditional or in this sell fulfilling card draw?
Boros Locket and Hedron Archive. I always thought red should have this "Sacrifice something. If you do, draw cards." effect as an extension of rummaging; also reminiscent of Aggressive Mining. Often the permanent you sacrifice will be worth a card. On a gold card this is not making a definite statement on whether one of the colos individually, or even either can have it, or whether it's reserved for them together.
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I want to talk about Lorehold Command. That last choice is unique for a red or white card. Since when do red or white sacrifice things to draw?
Oblation is a card, and there is a precedent for saccing for value in White. I think it might become "official" white design space but it might be hard to justify from a flavour point of view.
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Sorry for my possible english mistakes, I'm not a native speaker.
And of course my Shadowborn Apostle deck
Kolaghan triggers off opponents though, its more of a counter for those deck that something you can build around.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
I believe you are correct! Since you don't have to target the permanent you are sacrificing, you can choose the token since you perform each action in the order printed on the card. I could be wrong, though; I haven't taken the judge's tests in 4-5 years. That said, cards printed without targeting, or without sacrifice as part of the cost, or saying choose X generally allow you to choose the thing you want to sacrifice when you get to that part during the resolution of the spell.
It's also a big flyer that gives all your creatures haste. Not exactly Mishra, Artificer Prodigy level.
Jirina Kudro's different from elder dragons. I fully expect the commander decks to be tied in to the set and a human that figures prominently in the book is a fine way to do that, but something big and splashy like the enemy colored elder dragons should be released in the product for everyone, not the one aimed at one specific format. I am sure they will still all make sense as commanders, since they design with commander in mind more now than they did when Dragons of Tarkir was released.
5 mana instant speed divination in boros.
So they will print them as 4 mana 3/3, otherwise they will be unplayable anywhere else beside commander?
Elder Dragons are perfect cards for the format that once was Elder Dragon Highlander. This way they will go full timmy instead of printing something small and sad like Aegar, the freezing flame
In English, we have this thing called context. Context adapts the meaning of a thing based on the wording composure or inflection.
For example, when you add a number (such as 2) to the end of "mana cost", it changes the context and adapts a second meaning.
Now, 'mana cost 2' means a mana cost totaling 2 mana of any kind or combination.
Oh, so Talisman of Dominance has mana cost 2 and mana cost
I mean we yet to see anything of the dragons but the five "heads" of the school have been featured a ton on the set packaging. I'd think its just as likely those 5 are the splashy mythic rares.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
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I wonder how the Ur-dragon made these 5 elder dragons personalities and is even involved
My pet theory right now is that all these Strixhaven elder dragons are descendants of Ugin.
Ugin's mere dragon tempests on Tarkir already birthed dragons that grew impressive enough to become elder dragons (e.g. Dragonlord Dromoka), so why can't Ugin be personally involved in another batch of non-Dominarian elder dragons? Maybe the teacherly tendencies are actually from their planeswalker dragon father....
No one plays Aegar outside commander either. Going "full Timmy" probably won't make them good for commander either. Yes, if they're cool, people will want to build commander decks them even if they're not good, but people casually play other formats than commander too. And, just so we're totally clear, the cards in the main set also go into commander, just not the other way around.
Did they confirm that that's who those were? Booster art's previously been to be anything from important legendaries to art that's not even from the set.
Shards of awful never
I'm quite certain that the Elder Dragon Founders will be mythic rares rather than uncommons.
Although ninjas are experts of camouflage and concealment, they are actually horrible liars. This means that no matter where you are, you can shout out, “Are there any ninjas here?” and if there’s a ninja within earshot, he’ll be compelled to respond.
They could be the Face Commanders of the new Commander decks. Maybe even a High Ranking Member and a Star Pupil for each of the colleges as well.
I hope this is a new color ability granted to red or white. White especially as it doesn't even have impulse draw like red. But both colors could use a way to draw. As is both are weak in this area. White is so bad off in the card draw department that it actively makes playing mono white hard in commander as you are always out resourced. Please let this be a new white ability. White needs it bad.
Anyway this is the most generally useful command of the new commands. Five mana is a big ask but given all four modes have there uses most games, I could see this finding a home in a few Boros commander decks. Especially if that Boros deck is a go wide aggro deck. I know it has no business in a competitive deck, but let's be honest, a Boros commander deck likely isn't going to be all that competitive to start with.
Boros card draw, dang it isn't great, but beggars aren't choosers after all. Boros in the card draw department are definitely beggars. Yes, I realize red has better options with its impulsive draw, but none that can save your army in a pinch, remove something small, or pump your dudes to add that last little bit of damage if needs be. I like this command. Am I nuts?
It's actually a Red ability, albeit bent in an unique way. Red gets rummaging (get rid of a card to draw 1) and Red is allowed to go "one up" (discard 1 to draw 2, usually to offset the cost of the card itself). The "one up" rule is easy to exploit in a modal card like this one since you offset the card's cost by getting a secondary effect as this card does with its token shenanigans.
Of course, while Red gets rummaging, "sac to draw" is a bit more rare. It can do that, but only lands or artifacts as "sac to draw" creatures is Black. Maybe the logic here is that instead Boros could theoretically extend rummaging to any permanent, as White can return any of its own permanents to the hand and therefore W bounce any permanent + R discard card to draw = WR use any permanent to draw?
Boros Locket and Hedron Archive. I always thought red should have this "Sacrifice something. If you do, draw cards." effect as an extension of rummaging; also reminiscent of Aggressive Mining. Often the permanent you sacrifice will be worth a card. On a gold card this is not making a definite statement on whether one of the colos individually, or even either can have it, or whether it's reserved for them together.
Although ninjas are experts of camouflage and concealment, they are actually horrible liars. This means that no matter where you are, you can shout out, “Are there any ninjas here?” and if there’s a ninja within earshot, he’ll be compelled to respond.
Oblation is a card, and there is a precedent for saccing for value in White. I think it might become "official" white design space but it might be hard to justify from a flavour point of view.
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