There is more Asian walkers than black :roll eyes: lol
Well... there are more asian people than black
Niko looks like they are from Kylem and not from Theros. Their power too, very scenographic.
Between Niko and Kaya, wotc is really giving the middle finger to white supremacists. But muh vikings! Let's hope their *****ing won't **** everything up.
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
So glad wizards or anyone doesn't make any decisions based on the problematic and uneducated opinions of a few MTGS posters, yikes!
Back on topic, super excited about fun-loving Elf Tyvar. King af! So happy there's representation for all the Elves who live in Scandinavia.
I admit I went off-topic (and believe me, I'll go back to talking 100% about elves), but how is my opinion so problematic? I'm asking for representation, something that various other groups have done in this community with great success with nobody complaining.
As I said, I don't actually care that much about Latino representation. Kaldheim could be 100% Scandinavian looking people and it's be only acurate. I'm only pointing out what I think is fairly hypocritical using the same "victimhood" language.
wotc is really giving the middle finger to white supremacists
This is exactly what bothers me. If you think people who prefer the viking plane to have mostly, well, viking looking people (just the same for Asians in Kamigawa, Latinos in Ixalan, etc) are "white supremacists", you are, honestly, wrong. I'm not a white supremacist, I'm not even white, yet I do prefer that.
I think I've learned to treat Magic cards like baseball cards: keep 'em in a binder in numerical order, don't play with 'em, try to finish the set and just keep my head down.
I am a Latino with matte skin and brown hair. Also, I could be from Switzerland and have the exact same colors. Brown hair doesn't represent me as a Latino.
The thing is, from what I've heard from WOTC, The Professor, and other advocates for diversity in WOTC (I know TCC isn't officially WOTC but he gives the same points), the point of diversity in MTG art and lore isn't (explicitly, but we all know it's the real reason) because of contigent political issues, but because they want an "accurate representation of human diversity and playerbase". If that was truly the case, we would have a lot more Latino representation than Black representation because the Latino playerbase is indeed larger than the Black playerbase.
Legitimate question: do you have numbers that indicate the statement "...the Latino playerbase is indeed larger than the black playerbase."
Secondly: even if it is true, why is your problem the amount of black people in game, and not the overabundance of white people or the lack of asians of a variety of cultures?
Thirdly: There isn't a political conspiracy. The individuals and groups working on improving diversity will have blind spots, because they are people. WotC's stance is going to be whatever makes them the most money, and generally speaking, you get more money by opening more wallets. There are no doubt many in and out of the company who believe in the good they can do by diversifying, and good can be done there. But as a company itself, WotC does not care about that: it cares about profit. If the attitude of a customer pushes out others, that initial customer will be cut in a heartbeat.
There is more Asian walkers than black :roll eyes: lol
Well... there are more asian people than black
Niko looks like they are from Kylem and not from Theros. Their power too, very scenographic.
Between Niko and Kaya, wotc is really giving the middle finger to white supremacists. But muh vikings! Let's hope their *****ing won't **** everything up.
I actually like that explanation better as their costuming even reminds me of Kylem a bit. It reminds me of when WotC *insisted* that the Egyptian Paladin Basri Ket required a full suit of armour.
Inconsistent costuming strangely bothers me a lot.
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Also interesting that the pantheon of gods on Kaldheim, the Skoti, are usurpers. I wonder who the "good guys" are supposed to be... the Skoti, or the Einir (former Elven gods)?
Neither may end up the bad guys, if it somewhat follows Norse mythology. They may have the Einir and Skoti merge a la the Aesir and Vanir, perhaps to fight the equivalent of the Jotnar.
Then again, if one side had to be bad, the group with a name similar to a Goddess of hunting might be appropriate.
I'm all for representation of all kinds and that doesn't have to come at the expense of any marginalized groups. This isn't a pit fight where one minority only gets representation by making sure another doesn't. There is certainlyoverrepresentation of one group and it sure isn't black people.
I do have one issue with Niko though. Why exactly is "athlete" blue? I read their justification but this to me really harkens back to "new thing" being put in blue in the early days of Magic. It feels a little strange to me that blue gets the jocks and the nerds. It's like the breakfast club but blue is overrepresented.
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I am a Latino with matte skin and brown hair. Also, I could be from Switzerland and have the exact same colors. Brown hair doesn't represent me as a Latino.
The thing is, from what I've heard from WOTC, The Professor, and other advocates for diversity in WOTC (I know TCC isn't officially WOTC but he gives the same points), the point of diversity in MTG art and lore isn't (explicitly, but we all know it's the real reason) because of contigent political issues, but because they want an "accurate representation of human diversity and playerbase". If that was truly the case, we would have a lot more Latino representation than Black representation because the Latino playerbase is indeed larger than the Black playerbase.
Legitimate question: do you have numbers that indicate the statement "...the Latino playerbase is indeed larger than the black playerbase."
Secondly: even if it is true, why is your problem the amount of black people in game, and not the overabundance of white people or the lack of asians of a variety of cultures?
Thirdly: There isn't a political conspiracy. The individuals and groups working on improving diversity will have blind spots, because they are people. WotC's stance is going to be whatever makes them the most money, and generally speaking, you get more money by opening more wallets. There are no doubt many in and out of the company who believe in the good they can do by diversifying, and good can be done there. But as a company itself, WotC does not care about that: it cares about profit. If the attitude of a customer pushes out others, that initial customer will be cut in a heartbeat.
I don't have the numbers, I admit, only my estimation. But, a minority within a country's worth of players compared to a subcontinent worth of players? Sure, there are far fewer MTG players in South America than in the US, but I'm pretty sure the vast vast majority of players in the US are white.
Why am I not bothered by a majority of white people in MTG art and lore? Purely because of what I said above: those are the vast majority of players and said group gives them the most money. From a marketing standpoint it makes sense, period. Plus, I've always considered the "overabundance" of white people to be fairly exaggerated. Even as a kid I remember MTG to be really diverse even in early years, from characters like Teferi to the characters in Mirage, places like Jamuraa, etc. If there's a majority of white people (and not an overwhelmingly large majority) it only makes sense since it's mostly whites that play it. If WOTC were honest enough it wouldn't be an issue, but then again, white guilt is highly marketable to white people.
Ok, now I won't say anything else about this topic. I don't want this thread to be closed.
I think I've learned to treat Magic cards like baseball cards: keep 'em in a binder in numerical order, don't play with 'em, try to finish the set and just keep my head down.
I was a bit surprised that there is a greater emphasis on Elves in this set than Giants.
Huge fan of the Jötnar.
Thank you for providing me an easier way to get the proper spelling for future conversations. My phone does not like words with umlauts.
It is early in the set, Giants may have more prevalence as we continue. With the Kaldheim pathway lands being WU, BR, BG, and GU, and with confirmation that WU and BG are getting spirits and elves respectively, the Jötnar could show up in GU or BR. GU seems especially likely, given the Storm Giant from Theros.
I am a Latino with matte skin and brown hair. Also, I could be from Switzerland and have the exact same colors. Brown hair doesn't represent me as a Latino.
The thing is, from what I've heard from WOTC, The Professor, and other advocates for diversity in WOTC (I know TCC isn't officially WOTC but he gives the same points), the point of diversity in MTG art and lore isn't (explicitly, but we all know it's the real reason) because of contigent political issues, but because they want an "accurate representation of human diversity and playerbase". If that was truly the case, we would have a lot more Latino representation than Black representation because the Latino playerbase is indeed larger than the Black playerbase.
This all rings pretty hollow without actual breakdowns of the numbers to back these claims up. I would also like to see more latino representation. Along with every other race, background, ethnicity. They're not mutually exclusive. I'd like the human characters to reflect the human experience.
Legitimate question: do you have numbers that indicate the statement "...the Latino playerbase is indeed larger than the black playerbase."
Secondly: even if it is true, why is your problem the amount of black people in game, and not the overabundance of white people or the lack of asians of a variety of cultures?
Thirdly: There isn't a political conspiracy. The individuals and groups working on improving diversity will have blind spots, because they are people. WotC's stance is going to be whatever makes them the most money, and generally speaking, you get more money by opening more wallets. There are no doubt many in and out of the company who believe in the good they can do by diversifying, and good can be done there. But as a company itself, WotC does not care about that: it cares about profit. If the attitude of a customer pushes out others, that initial customer will be cut in a heartbeat.
I don't have the numbers, I admit, only my estimation. But, a minority within a country's worth of players compared to a subcontinent worth of players? Sure, there are far fewer MTG players in South America than in the US, but I'm pretty sure the vast vast majority of players in the US are white.
Why am I not bothered by a majority of white people in MTG art and lore? Purely because of what I said above: those are the vast majority of players and said group gives them the most money. From a marketing standpoint it makes sense, period. Plus, I've always considered the "overabundance" of white people to be fairly exaggerated. Even as a kid I remember MTG to be really diverse even in early years, from characters like Teferi to the characters in Mirage, places like Jamuraa, etc. If there's a majority of white people (and not an overwhelmingly large majority) it only makes sense since it's mostly whites that play it. If WOTC were honest enough it wouldn't be an issue, but then again, white guilt is highly marketable to white people.
Ok, now I won't say anything else about this topic. I don't want this thread to be closed.
This all rings pretty hollow without seeing actual data breakdowns to support your ideas of demographics.
I'd also like to see more latino representation. As well as more representation of all other races, ethnicities, backgrounds, etc. They're not mutually exclusive. I'd like the humans in Magic to represent the human experience well.
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I was a bit surprised that there is a greater emphasis on Elves in this set than Giants.
Huge fan of the Jötnar.
Thank you for providing me an easier way to get the proper spelling for future conversations. My phone does not like words with umlauts.
It is early in the set, Giants may have more prevalence as we continue. With the Kaldheim pathway lands being WU, BR, BG, and GU, and with confirmation that WU and BG are getting spirits and elves respectively, the Jötnar could show up in GU or BR. GU seems especially likely, given the Storm Giant from Theros.
I really hope so. We even saw a bit of Giant tribal in Eldraine too, though I think that was WG
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I really hope so. We even saw a bit of Giant tribal in Eldraine too, though I think that was WG
Bant giants could very well be a thing.
That said, this made me realize that if Dwarves show up, we may see them in BR, which could be interesting given the recent supposed reappearance if Balthor in the Secret Lair artist series.
(Additionally, I think I just realized, if nothing else, we will likely get a card that is Dwarf on one side, and Dragon on the other.)
I really hope so. We even saw a bit of Giant tribal in Eldraine too, though I think that was WG
Bant giants could very well be a thing.
That said, this made me realize that if Dwarves show up, we may see them in BR, which could be interesting given the recent supposed reappearance if Balthor in the Secret Lair artist series.
(Additionally, I think I just realized, if nothing else, we will likely get a card that is Dwarf on one side, and Dragon on the other.)
I don't know about the Dragon/Dwarf thing but Dwarfs will be present. We saw a Dwarf cleric and fighter within the Kaldheim figures. The ones we saw looked very white, tho. They could still be mixed up in multiple colors. There were some Elves (a light version and a darker with blueish skin ones) and a Human Berserker if I remember correctly.
The Einir-and-Skoti story Tyvar's article brings up reminds me of Norse mythology's Vanir and Aesir, respectively.
Also, I guess that Tyvar is one of those younger sons of kings who believes that, as Prince Corin puts it in The Horse and His Boy, "princes have all the fun". (This also explains his lack of jealousy towards his older brother the king and Tyvar's lack of desire to rule.)
I figured that was on purpose honestly. I wonder if we will see both divine factions.
And maybe there where they might add in gods not part of a classic 5 card cycle.
the nozurs spoilers for kaldheim / mini set for it, showed off a bunch of planeswalkers as well as gods. Two from zendikar, and then gods and enchanted beasts
I don't know about the Dragon/Dwarf thing but Dwarfs will be present. We saw a Dwarf cleric and fighter within the Kaldheim figures. The ones we saw looked very white, tho. They could still be mixed up in multiple colors. There were some Elves (a light version and a darker with blueish skin ones) and a Human Berserker if I remember correctly.
Thank you for the reminder, I had forgotten about the figures.
White has been mentioned multiple times as a home for the Dwarves in the MtG color pie, so it would make sense.
I do think a Fafnir card would have to have black in its identity though. Perhaps red Dwarf, black Dragon?
I don't have the numbers, I admit, only my estimation. But, a minority within a country's worth of players compared to a subcontinent worth of players? Sure, there are far fewer MTG players in South America than in the US, but I'm pretty sure the vast vast majority of players in the US are white.
17 "Diversity picks" in Standard Legendary characters represented on cards:
Ashiok - Non-Binary
Azusa - Female, Japanese
Basri - Middle-Eastern
Chandra - Female, (Indian?)
Eutropia - Female, Black
Jolrael - Female, Black
Kaervek - Black
Linden - Female, Black
Mangara - Black
Narset - Female, Asian
Niambi - Female, Black
Oko - Asian
Rielle - Female, Black
Subira - Female, Black
Tazri - Female, Black
Teferi - Black
Vivien - Female, Black
I do have one issue with Niko though. Why exactly is "athlete" blue? I read their justification but this to me really harkens back to "new thing" being put in blue in the early days of Magic. It feels a little strange to me that blue gets the jocks and the nerds. It's like the breakfast club but blue is overrepresented.
It feels to me that 'athlete' can fall into any of the five colors, depending on motivation. Green is probably most natural, given the physical 'natural' contest, and we see that with The First Iroan Games. However, red has the passion of athleticism (Hero of the Games), black has the competitiveness, and white has the teamwork and self-discipline. I can certainly see Blue getting in on it with rigidness and self improvement.
Physical study and excellence is certainly a newer spotlight for blue, but we have seen physically proficient characters in blue, such as the ninja - who achieve their physical excellence through training and study. Lu Xun, Scholar General and Sun Ce, Young Conquerer could be another? Zhou Yu, Chief Commander is no slouch either, as an 8/8. Or the representation of monks with Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest?
This also feels right at home on Theros, as the real world comparison - the Olympic Games, welcomed competitors of all walks of life - it makes sense that there would be athletes of all color alignments represented. This also aligns with some real world examples, such as Plato, who was a wrestler and wrestling coach. Socrates was a distinguished soldier.
Overall, we haven't seen a lot of sports at all in magic - The most athletic event would likely be the Coliseum in the Battlebond set, where we see a variety of charaters, from Green having the physically weakest contestant, to Will Kenrith being a Blue character with good physical prowess.
wotc is really giving the middle finger to white supremacists
This is exactly what bothers me. If you think people who prefer the viking plane to have mostly, well, viking looking people (just the same for Asians in Kamigawa, Latinos in Ixalan, etc) are "white supremacists", you are, honestly, wrong. I'm not a white supremacist, I'm not even white, yet I do prefer that.
I mean it's not a mystery that some alt-right fringes adopted vikings' iconography and religion as their own. It's not a matter of "only racists like vikings". It's white supremacists who hates blacks, trans, non-binary people and things like this. It's them who will be triggered by the presence of Kaya and Niko.
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
While, IMO, Wizards did a good job of not making Niko's non-binary-ness a defining feature of that walker's character, they could have done a much better job on how blue-aligned Niko is. To this day, I still believe Niko is UR-aligned.
Monocolored planeswalkers often have a leaning towards a second color and multicolored planeswalkers have often a leaning within their colors which is e. g. while Ashiok makes for good mono-black and blue-black cards, but I wouldn't expect them to be mono-blue any time soon. So that blue-red feeling you get fromdoesn't contradict Niko currently being slotted into blue.
I feel as red gets to explore more emotions than anger in its representation, it is great to see blue explore physical aspects of its thrive towards perfection. I assume that's intentional for a character that defies tradition/fate. I want Niko to tangle with a physically unimposing quick-witted red-aligned character to really contrast the stereotypes.
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Although ninjas are experts of camouflage and concealment, they are actually horrible liars. This means that no matter where you are, you can shout out, “Are there any ninjas here?” and if there’s a ninja within earshot, he’ll be compelled to respond.
Y'all really sounding like Jussie Smollett with these delusions.
The idea that far-right groups use Norse symbology is a demonstrable fact. The actual Nazis used a bunch of them- the whole idea of the Aryan race was linked with this sort of history.
This isn't a debatable point.
Y'all really sounding like Jussie Smollett with these delusions.
The idea that far-right groups use Norse symbology is a demonstrable fact. The actual Nazis used a bunch of them- the whole idea of the Aryan race was linked with this sort of history.
This isn't a debatable point.
Also, many other people who use such symbols are actual fans of vikings, scandinavian culture, certain TV series' fans, including people who are non-white.
Perpetuating the idea that "hey look I got a cool Mjollnir tattoo"="I'm a nazi" only helps create more division.
From the forum rules: "You may attack ideas, but do so while being civil."
I hope this was civil enough. I'm literally attacking an idea, not a person.
I think I've learned to treat Magic cards like baseball cards: keep 'em in a binder in numerical order, don't play with 'em, try to finish the set and just keep my head down.
No one said liking those makes you racist, just that they are stolen by Nazis and it’s honestly not something you can guarantee. Certain things are more likely than others to be dog whistles but as someone fairly strongly involved in the polytheist community it’s something that is a major issue.
I come from the Andes region. Symbols like the Hammer and Sickle, the Guñelve and the Clava have also been appropiated by narco-terrorist, racially inspired groups such as Sendero Luminoso and Coordinadora Arauco-Malleco. I doubt that if I displayed any of those here anyone would bat an eye. WOTC/this community is so US-centric and they're not even aware of it (which is fine, it's the country that produces the game), but I'd hope they'd be honest enough to just go with it instead of going "hey, we made a brown-haired PW, that represents you right Latinos?"
Btw, Latino or Latinx is such a nonsense term anyway. People from the Cono Sur have almost nothing to do with Mexicans or Caribbeans. If anything it only demonstrates ignorance of them.
17 "Diversity picks" in Standard Legendary characters represented on cards:
Ashiok - Non-Binary
Azusa - Female, Japanese
Basri - Middle-Eastern
Chandra - Female, (Indian?)
Eutropia - Female, Black
Jolrael - Female, Black
Kaervek - Black
Linden - Female, Black
Mangara - Black
Narset - Female, Asian
Niambi - Female, Black
Oko - Asian
Rielle - Female, Black
Subira - Female, Black
Tazri - Female, Black
Teferi - Black
Vivien - Female, Black
Out of 113 characters.
Also, I take minor issue with this point. There's quantitative minority, and there's qualitative minority. Sure, quantitatively speaking, there's more "white" characters in MTG, but in terms of who are emphasized and displayed the most? I took a look at product and key art from recent past products. If it's not a monster or non-human character in the art, it's mostly one of those "minority" characters in main display. Teferi for Core2021, Vivien in Ikoria, Chandra in Core 2020, and now Kaya in Kaldheim. Yes, there was Rowan in Eldraine and Jace and Liliana here and there, but as I said, the "overrepresentation of white people" argument is vastly exaggerated IMO.
I think I've learned to treat Magic cards like baseball cards: keep 'em in a binder in numerical order, don't play with 'em, try to finish the set and just keep my head down.
Well... there are more asian people than black
Niko looks like they are from Kylem and not from Theros. Their power too, very scenographic.
Between Niko and Kaya, wotc is really giving the middle finger to white supremacists. But muh vikings! Let's hope their *****ing won't **** everything up.
I admit I went off-topic (and believe me, I'll go back to talking 100% about elves), but how is my opinion so problematic? I'm asking for representation, something that various other groups have done in this community with great success with nobody complaining.
As I said, I don't actually care that much about Latino representation. Kaldheim could be 100% Scandinavian looking people and it's be only acurate. I'm only pointing out what I think is fairly hypocritical using the same "victimhood" language.
This is exactly what bothers me. If you think people who prefer the viking plane to have mostly, well, viking looking people (just the same for Asians in Kamigawa, Latinos in Ixalan, etc) are "white supremacists", you are, honestly, wrong. I'm not a white supremacist, I'm not even white, yet I do prefer that.
Anyway, back to elves...
Legitimate question: do you have numbers that indicate the statement "...the Latino playerbase is indeed larger than the black playerbase."
Secondly: even if it is true, why is your problem the amount of black people in game, and not the overabundance of white people or the lack of asians of a variety of cultures?
Thirdly: There isn't a political conspiracy. The individuals and groups working on improving diversity will have blind spots, because they are people. WotC's stance is going to be whatever makes them the most money, and generally speaking, you get more money by opening more wallets. There are no doubt many in and out of the company who believe in the good they can do by diversifying, and good can be done there. But as a company itself, WotC does not care about that: it cares about profit. If the attitude of a customer pushes out others, that initial customer will be cut in a heartbeat.
I actually like that explanation better as their costuming even reminds me of Kylem a bit. It reminds me of when WotC *insisted* that the Egyptian Paladin Basri Ket required a full suit of armour.
Inconsistent costuming strangely bothers me a lot.
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
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— Teferi
Neither may end up the bad guys, if it somewhat follows Norse mythology. They may have the Einir and Skoti merge a la the Aesir and Vanir, perhaps to fight the equivalent of the Jotnar.
Then again, if one side had to be bad, the group with a name similar to a Goddess of hunting might be appropriate.
Huge fan of the Jötnar.
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
I do have one issue with Niko though. Why exactly is "athlete" blue? I read their justification but this to me really harkens back to "new thing" being put in blue in the early days of Magic. It feels a little strange to me that blue gets the jocks and the nerds. It's like the breakfast club but blue is overrepresented.
I don't have the numbers, I admit, only my estimation. But, a minority within a country's worth of players compared to a subcontinent worth of players? Sure, there are far fewer MTG players in South America than in the US, but I'm pretty sure the vast vast majority of players in the US are white.
Why am I not bothered by a majority of white people in MTG art and lore? Purely because of what I said above: those are the vast majority of players and said group gives them the most money. From a marketing standpoint it makes sense, period. Plus, I've always considered the "overabundance" of white people to be fairly exaggerated. Even as a kid I remember MTG to be really diverse even in early years, from characters like Teferi to the characters in Mirage, places like Jamuraa, etc. If there's a majority of white people (and not an overwhelmingly large majority) it only makes sense since it's mostly whites that play it. If WOTC were honest enough it wouldn't be an issue, but then again, white guilt is highly marketable to white people.
Ok, now I won't say anything else about this topic. I don't want this thread to be closed.
Thank you for providing me an easier way to get the proper spelling for future conversations. My phone does not like words with umlauts.
It is early in the set, Giants may have more prevalence as we continue. With the Kaldheim pathway lands being WU, BR, BG, and GU, and with confirmation that WU and BG are getting spirits and elves respectively, the Jötnar could show up in GU or BR. GU seems especially likely, given the Storm Giant from Theros.
This all rings pretty hollow without seeing actual data breakdowns to support your ideas of demographics.
I'd also like to see more latino representation. As well as more representation of all other races, ethnicities, backgrounds, etc. They're not mutually exclusive. I'd like the humans in Magic to represent the human experience well.
I really hope so. We even saw a bit of Giant tribal in Eldraine too, though I think that was WG
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
Bant giants could very well be a thing.
That said, this made me realize that if Dwarves show up, we may see them in BR, which could be interesting given the recent supposed reappearance if Balthor in the Secret Lair artist series.
(Additionally, I think I just realized, if nothing else, we will likely get a card that is Dwarf on one side, and Dragon on the other.)
I don't know about the Dragon/Dwarf thing but Dwarfs will be present. We saw a Dwarf cleric and fighter within the Kaldheim figures. The ones we saw looked very white, tho. They could still be mixed up in multiple colors. There were some Elves (a light version and a darker with blueish skin ones) and a Human Berserker if I remember correctly.
Thank you for the reminder, I had forgotten about the figures.
White has been mentioned multiple times as a home for the Dwarves in the MtG color pie, so it would make sense.
I do think a Fafnir card would have to have black in its identity though. Perhaps red Dwarf, black Dragon?
17 "Diversity picks" in Standard Legendary characters represented on cards:
Ashiok - Non-Binary
Azusa - Female, Japanese
Basri - Middle-Eastern
Chandra - Female, (Indian?)
Eutropia - Female, Black
Jolrael - Female, Black
Kaervek - Black
Linden - Female, Black
Mangara - Black
Narset - Female, Asian
Niambi - Female, Black
Oko - Asian
Rielle - Female, Black
Subira - Female, Black
Tazri - Female, Black
Teferi - Black
Vivien - Female, Black
Out of 113 characters.
It feels to me that 'athlete' can fall into any of the five colors, depending on motivation. Green is probably most natural, given the physical 'natural' contest, and we see that with The First Iroan Games. However, red has the passion of athleticism (Hero of the Games), black has the competitiveness, and white has the teamwork and self-discipline. I can certainly see Blue getting in on it with rigidness and self improvement.
Physical study and excellence is certainly a newer spotlight for blue, but we have seen physically proficient characters in blue, such as the ninja - who achieve their physical excellence through training and study. Lu Xun, Scholar General and Sun Ce, Young Conquerer could be another? Zhou Yu, Chief Commander is no slouch either, as an 8/8. Or the representation of monks with Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest?
This also feels right at home on Theros, as the real world comparison - the Olympic Games, welcomed competitors of all walks of life - it makes sense that there would be athletes of all color alignments represented. This also aligns with some real world examples, such as Plato, who was a wrestler and wrestling coach. Socrates was a distinguished soldier.
Overall, we haven't seen a lot of sports at all in magic - The most athletic event would likely be the Coliseum in the Battlebond set, where we see a variety of charaters, from Green having the physically weakest contestant, to Will Kenrith being a Blue character with good physical prowess.
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I mean it's not a mystery that some alt-right fringes adopted vikings' iconography and religion as their own. It's not a matter of "only racists like vikings". It's white supremacists who hates blacks, trans, non-binary people and things like this. It's them who will be triggered by the presence of Kaya and Niko.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Monocolored planeswalkers often have a leaning towards a second color and multicolored planeswalkers have often a leaning within their colors which is e. g. while Ashiok makes for good mono-black and blue-black cards, but I wouldn't expect them to be mono-blue any time soon. So that blue-red feeling you get fromdoesn't contradict Niko currently being slotted into blue.
I feel as red gets to explore more emotions than anger in its representation, it is great to see blue explore physical aspects of its thrive towards perfection. I assume that's intentional for a character that defies tradition/fate. I want Niko to tangle with a physically unimposing quick-witted red-aligned character to really contrast the stereotypes.
Although ninjas are experts of camouflage and concealment, they are actually horrible liars. This means that no matter where you are, you can shout out, “Are there any ninjas here?” and if there’s a ninja within earshot, he’ll be compelled to respond.
The idea that far-right groups use Norse symbology is a demonstrable fact. The actual Nazis used a bunch of them- the whole idea of the Aryan race was linked with this sort of history.
This isn't a debatable point.
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Also, many other people who use such symbols are actual fans of vikings, scandinavian culture, certain TV series' fans, including people who are non-white.
Perpetuating the idea that "hey look I got a cool Mjollnir tattoo"="I'm a nazi" only helps create more division.
From the forum rules: "You may attack ideas, but do so while being civil."
I hope this was civil enough. I'm literally attacking an idea, not a person.
Btw, Latino or Latinx is such a nonsense term anyway. People from the Cono Sur have almost nothing to do with Mexicans or Caribbeans. If anything it only demonstrates ignorance of them.
Also, I take minor issue with this point. There's quantitative minority, and there's qualitative minority. Sure, quantitatively speaking, there's more "white" characters in MTG, but in terms of who are emphasized and displayed the most? I took a look at product and key art from recent past products. If it's not a monster or non-human character in the art, it's mostly one of those "minority" characters in main display. Teferi for Core2021, Vivien in Ikoria, Chandra in Core 2020, and now Kaya in Kaldheim. Yes, there was Rowan in Eldraine and Jace and Liliana here and there, but as I said, the "overrepresentation of white people" argument is vastly exaggerated IMO.