Well, I guess the subtlety of Karn, Ashiok and Oko wasn't enough and we had to be hit with an anvil. Just check all the other boxes too and be done with it.
Still waiting for more planeswalkers that aren't boring human or human in all but name. I have given up hope for more that differ from humanoid body plan.
Well, I guess the subtlety of Karn, Ashiok and Oko wasn't enough and we had to be hit with an anvil. Just check all the other boxes too and be done with it.
Still waiting for more planeswalkers that aren't boring human or human in all but name. I have given up hope for more that differ from humanoid body plan.
Oko goes by "he", Ashiok is cool but kinda a psychopath, and Karn is just basically a robot. I'm not entirely sure of the point being made here.
If we had another non-humanoid walker then we'd just be checking a different box, but one that you would prefer instead.
Live and let live dude
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Well, I guess the subtlety of Karn, Ashiok and Oko wasn't enough and we had to be hit with an anvil. Just check all the other boxes too and be done with it.
Still waiting for more planeswalkers that aren't boring human or human in all but name. I have given up hope for more that differ from humanoid body plan.
All entirely different. Oko isn’t non-binary at all, Ashiok is a monster and not necessarily non-binary so much as just “unknown”, and Karn isn’t strongly attached to gender while also perpetuating the “robots and aliens are the only non-binary representatives” trope. A good, decidedly human and explicitly non-binary representative is not exactly an unreasonable thing.
I'm kind of tired of this shaved hair parted to one side look they put on so many characters. It makes them feel like they're all coming from Seattle or something.
Looking at these new PWs and artwork, TBH something that irks me is the lack of Latino representation in MTG (speaking AS a Latino from Chile, btw). I mean, South America is a whole sub-continent and arguably everyone here who plays MTG is Latino, whereas the Black population that plays MTG (pretty much only in the US and parts of Europe) is like, what, 5% at the most IIRC? Yet it seems like most MTG characters nowadays are Black. If representation matters so much, there's like, you know, a whole subcontinent of us...
I think I've learned to treat Magic cards like baseball cards: keep 'em in a binder in numerical order, don't play with 'em, try to finish the set and just keep my head down.
Looking at these new PWs and artwork, TBH something that irks me is the lack of Latino representation in MTG (speaking AS as Latino from Chile, btw). I mean, South America is a whole sub-continent and arguanly everyone here who plays MTG is Latino, whereas the Black population that plays MTG (pretty much only in the US and parts of Europe) is like, what, 5% at the most IIRC? Yet it seems like most MTG characters nowadays are Black. If representation matters so much, there's like, you know, a whole subcontinent of us...
Looking at these new PWs and artwork, TBH something that irks me is the lack of Latino representation in MTG (speaking AS as Latino from Chile, btw). I mean, South America is a whole sub-continent and arguanly everyone here who plays MTG is Latino, whereas the Black population that plays MTG (pretty much only in the US and parts of Europe) is like, what, 5% at the most IIRC? Yet it seems like most MTG characters nowadays are Black. If representation matters so much, there's like, you know, a whole subcontinent of us...
What about Teyo is recognizably Latino? He looks and is called the same as a generic human from, say, Star Wars.
Mike Bierek coming out and saying "hey, btw Teyo is actually Latino if you didn't know!" is the same as J.K. Rowling saying 10 years later that Dumbledore is gay despite there not being any sign of it whatsoever in the books.
The closest to an identifiably Latino PW is Huatli. And even then she represents precolumbian aztecs, a very specific subgroup.
I think I've learned to treat Magic cards like baseball cards: keep 'em in a binder in numerical order, don't play with 'em, try to finish the set and just keep my head down.
Looking at these new PWs and artwork, TBH something that irks me is the lack of Latino representation in MTG (speaking AS as Latino from Chile, btw). I mean, South America is a whole sub-continent and arguanly everyone here who plays MTG is Latino, whereas the Black population that plays MTG (pretty much only in the US and parts of Europe) is like, what, 5% at the most IIRC? Yet it seems like most MTG characters nowadays are Black. If representation matters so much, there's like, you know, a whole subcontinent of us...
The only identifiably Latino PW is Huatli.
What about Teyo is recognizably Latino? He looks and is called the same as a generic human from, say, Star Wars.
Mike Bierek coming out and saying "hey, btw Teyo is actually Latino if you didn't know!" is the same as J.K. Rowling saying 10 years later that Dumbledore is gay despite there not being any sign of it whatsoever in the books.
I mean, the artist of the piece himself said that Teyo was the first Latino planeswalker and he receives instructions on how and what to paint from WotC themselves...
He looks Latino to me though I'm admittedly no expert on the matter either. I know that WotC has come out and said that they want to make each plane ethnically diverse regardless of the fantasy tropes that inform the world, and this especially on worlds that are based on western fantasy tropes.
It is however perfectly reasonable to want more representation than Teyo and Huatli though, in terms of Latin American and Indigenous South American cultures.
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Full disclosure, if this game was 98% white people in the art (as is the actual demographic that plays it and produces it), I wouldn't mind at all. What bothers me is the clear pandering and overrepresentation of Black people for obvious political reasons, while there's a much larger Latino playerbase than Black playerbase. If they truly cared about accurate representation, we would have a LOT more Latino characters.
The fact that they are so desperate to overrepresent Black people because BLM is actually a sign of how USA-centric the game is, because BLM is just not a thing down here, or at least it's a small part in comparison to indigenous people's vindication movements (like the Mapuche in Chile and Argentina, the various Incan-descended and Andean peoples of Peru and Bolivia, and let's not even get started on Brazil).
I think I've learned to treat Magic cards like baseball cards: keep 'em in a binder in numerical order, don't play with 'em, try to finish the set and just keep my head down.
Looking at these new PWs and artwork, TBH something that irks me is the lack of Latino representation in MTG (speaking AS a Latino from Chile, btw). I mean, South America is a whole sub-continent and arguably everyone here who plays MTG is Latino, whereas the Black population that plays MTG (pretty much only in the US and parts of Europe) is like, what, 5% at the most IIRC? Yet it seems like most MTG characters nowadays are Black. If representation matters so much, there's like, you know, a whole subcontinent of us...
You can argue for more representation without putting down the representation of others. Black and mixed race people exist in South America as well, even if they aren't Latino in a phenotypic sense.
EDIT: Fatfingered the post button before I meant to. I also meant to add that I agree, MtG should represent the Latinx people more as well. It would need to start with more worlds that make that influence clear, I think.
Full disclosure, if this game was 98% white people in the art (as is the actual demographic that plays it and produces it), I wouldn't mind at all. What bothers me is the clear pandering and overrepresentation of Black people for obvious political reasons, while there's a much larger Latino playerbase than Black playerbase. If they truly cared about accurate representation, we would have a LOT more Latino characters.
I feel you. I don't think representation needs to be at the expense of anyone though. Let's just have it for both black and Latino people.
My only gripe is accuracy. If we're doing Ixalan, should be Latino. Kamigawa, Japanese. Theros, Greek. Aside from PW, I'd like planes to have racial identity as well, except places like Dominaria that have many continents and aren't based on real-world cultures. After the Theros art book, it finally made sense why Theros has black people, since they did expand its geography (thankfully) so it can encompass North Africa-like regions instead of just being three freaking cities. But it's awkward if we return to Kamigawa and there's anything but Asian natives for example.
Then again idk, Linden kinda worked in Edlraine despite it being European themed.
Full disclosure, if this game was 98% white people in the art (as is the actual demographic that plays it and produces it), I wouldn't mind at all. What bothers me is the clear pandering and overrepresentation of Black people for obvious political reasons, while there's a much larger Latino playerbase than Black playerbase. If they truly cared about accurate representation, we would have a LOT more Latino characters.
Except, I have met Hispanic folx that do have dark brown hair. I think it is perfectly reasonable to want greater Latin American representation but please understand that if the decision by WotC's to represent more Black people is inherently political, than it would be just as political to consciously represent more Latin American people.
Furthermore, this isn't a zero-sum issue. Having more Black people represented in MtG does not necessarily impede any greater, and more conscious decision by WotC to represent Latinos.
Edit: As ThyLordQ put it, one can argue for greater representation without the attack on other marginalized peoples.
Full disclosure, if this game was 98% white people in the art (as is the actual demographic that plays it and produces it), I wouldn't mind at all. What bothers me is the clear pandering and overrepresentation of Black people for obvious political reasons, while there's a much larger Latino playerbase than Black playerbase. If they truly cared about accurate representation, we would have a LOT more Latino characters.
I feel you. I don't think representation needs to be at the expense of anyone though. Let's just have it for both black and Latino people.
My only gripe is accuracy. If we're doing Ixalan, should be Latino. Kamigawa, Japanese. Theros, Greek. Aside from PW, I'd like planes to have racial identity as well, except places like Dominaria that have many continents and aren't based on real-world cultures. After the Theros art book, it finally made sense why Theros has black people, since they did expand its geography (thankfully) so it can encompass North Africa-like regions instead of just being three freaking cities. But it's awkward if we return to Kamigawa and there's anything but Asian natives for example.
Then again idk, Linden kinda worked in Edlraine despite it being European themed.
And I completely agree with that. If we returned to Kamigawa and everyone but the planeswalkers were of an Asian phenotype, that'd be completely fine by me. That's only accurate. Same thing for a Slavic-themed plane with most or only Slavic looking people. It's the fact that they're so afraid to put white people in the Scandinavian plane that they HAVE to slap a Black woman on the cover that bothers me. But hey, at least we know they would'd dare to do that in a Chinese-inspired plane...
I think I've learned to treat Magic cards like baseball cards: keep 'em in a binder in numerical order, don't play with 'em, try to finish the set and just keep my head down.
I feel you. I don't think representation needs to be at the expense of anyone though. Let's just have it for both black and Latino people.
My only gripe is accuracy. If we're doing Ixalan, should be Latino. Kamigawa, Japanese. Theros, Greek. Aside from PW, I'd like planes to have racial identity as well, except places like Dominaria that have many continents and aren't based on real-world cultures. After the Theros art book, it finally made sense why Theros has black people, since they did expand its geography (thankfully) so it can encompass North Africa-like regions instead of just being three freaking cities. But it's awkward if we return to Kamigawa and there's anything but Asian natives for example.
Then again idk, Linden kinda worked in Edlraine despite it being European themed.
"Accuracy" is usually a troubling thing to hold fantasy, even fantasy partially based on reality to, because "accuracy" is often inaccurate. Reality is far messier and more complicated than history is taught and there are a lot of misconceptions about how isolated segments of humanity have been for a very long time.
Full disclosure, if this game was 98% white people in the art (as is the actual demographic that plays it and produces it), I wouldn't mind at all. What bothers me is the clear pandering and overrepresentation of Black people for obvious political reasons, while there's a much larger Latino playerbase than Black playerbase. If they truly cared about accurate representation, we would have a LOT more Latino characters.
I feel you. I don't think representation needs to be at the expense of anyone though. Let's just have it for both black and Latino people.
My only gripe is accuracy. If we're doing Ixalan, should be Latino. Kamigawa, Japanese. Theros, Greek. Aside from PW, I'd like planes to have racial identity as well, except places like Dominaria that have many continents and aren't based on real-world cultures. After the Theros art book, it finally made sense why Theros has black people, since they did expand its geography (thankfully) so it can encompass North Africa-like regions instead of just being three freaking cities. But it's awkward if we return to Kamigawa and there's anything but Asian natives for example.
Then again idk, Linden kinda worked in Edlraine despite it being European themed.
And I completely agree with that. If we returned to Kamigawa and everyone but the planeswalkers were of an Asian phenotype, that'd be completely fine by me. That's only accurate. Same thing for a Slavic-themed plane with most or only Slavic looking people. It's the fact that they're so afraid to put white people in the Scandinavian plane that they HAVE to slap a Black woman on the cover that bothers me. But hey, at least we know they would'd dare to do that in a Chinese-inspired plane...
Yeah I know what you mean and agree. It's annoying when it feels disingenuous, like making Kynaios and Tiro both gay *and* interracial, instead of giving us more of both across other cards, so it felt like box-checking. Regardless, if inclusion is the goal, it should encompass more than white and black - WOTC is coming off a bit ignorant focusing on just the extremes. Basri is the only PW (other than Teysir I GUESS?) that even remotely could pass for Arab, so I feel you on that.
I do love Gideon (RIP) and now Calix though, which I feel represents me. Calix is great. And hopefully we'll see more of Basri going forward.
Full disclosure, if this game was 98% white people in the art (as is the actual demographic that plays it and produces it), I wouldn't mind at all. What bothers me is the clear pandering and overrepresentation of Black people for obvious political reasons, while there's a much larger Latino playerbase than Black playerbase. If they truly cared about accurate representation, we would have a LOT more Latino characters.
I feel you. I don't think representation needs to be at the expense of anyone though. Let's just have it for both black and Latino people.
My only gripe is accuracy. If we're doing Ixalan, should be Latino. Kamigawa, Japanese. Theros, Greek. Aside from PW, I'd like planes to have racial identity as well, except places like Dominaria that have many continents and aren't based on real-world cultures. After the Theros art book, it finally made sense why Theros has black people, since they did expand its geography (thankfully) so it can encompass North Africa-like regions instead of just being three freaking cities. But it's awkward if we return to Kamigawa and there's anything but Asian natives for example.
Then again idk, Linden kinda worked in Edlraine despite it being European themed.
And I completely agree with that. If we returned to Kamigawa and everyone but the planeswalkers were of an Asian phenotype, that'd be completely fine by me. That's only accurate. Same thing for a Slavic-themed plane with most or only Slavic looking people. It's the fact that they're so afraid to put white people in the Scandinavian plane that they HAVE to slap a Black woman on the cover that bothers me. But hey, at least we know they would'd dare to do that in a Chinese-inspired plane...
As a white guy I'm perfectly able to advocate for myself thanks, and Kaya's presence as Kaldheim's face is a non-issue as we just had a main set where everyone was pretty pasty and I'm getting mixed messages as to your actual intent.
Go ahead. Fight without me. I'm just gonna ignore from now on. I demonstrated evidence regarding Teyo, if one doesn't like being demonstrably wrong, well that isn't my problem.
Full disclosure, if this game was 98% white people in the art (as is the actual demographic that plays it and produces it), I wouldn't mind at all. What bothers me is the clear pandering and overrepresentation of Black people for obvious political reasons, while there's a much larger Latino playerbase than Black playerbase. If they truly cared about accurate representation, we would have a LOT more Latino characters.
Except, I have met Hispanic folx that do have dark brown hair. I think it is perfectly reasonable to want greater Latin American representation but please understand that if the decision by WotC's to represent more Black people is inherently political, than it would be just as political to consciously represent more Latin American people.
Furthermore, this isn't a zero-sum issue. Having more Black people represented in MtG does not necessarily impede any greater, and more conscious decision by WotC to represent Latinos.
Edit: As ThyLordQ put it, one can argue for greater representation without the attack on other marginalized peoples.
Help me understand here.
I am a Latino with matte skin and brown hair. Also, I could be from Switzerland and have the exact same colors. Brown hair doesn't represent me as a Latino.
The thing is, from what I've heard from WOTC, The Professor, and other advocates for diversity in WOTC (I know TCC isn't officially WOTC but he gives the same points), the point of diversity in MTG art and lore isn't (explicitly, but we all know it's the real reason) because of contigent political issues, but because they want an "accurate representation of human diversity and playerbase". If that was truly the case, we would have a lot more Latino representation than Black representation because the Latino playerbase is indeed larger than the Black playerbase.
I think I've learned to treat Magic cards like baseball cards: keep 'em in a binder in numerical order, don't play with 'em, try to finish the set and just keep my head down.
There is more Asian walkers than black :roll eyes: lol
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Full disclosure, if this game was 98% white people in the art (as is the actual demographic that plays it and produces it), I wouldn't mind at all. What bothers me is the clear pandering and overrepresentation of Black people for obvious political reasons, while there's a much larger Latino playerbase than Black playerbase. If they truly cared about accurate representation, we would have a LOT more Latino characters.
Except, I have met Hispanic folx that do have dark brown hair. I think it is perfectly reasonable to want greater Latin American representation but please understand that if the decision by WotC's to represent more Black people is inherently political, than it would be just as political to consciously represent more Latin American people.
Furthermore, this isn't a zero-sum issue. Having more Black people represented in MtG does not necessarily impede any greater, and more conscious decision by WotC to represent Latinos.
Edit: As ThyLordQ put it, one can argue for greater representation without the attack on other marginalized peoples.
Help me understand here.
I am a Latino with matte skin and brown hair.
Seek shelter sis, while I'm still behaving.
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So glad wizards or anyone doesn't make any decisions based on the problematic and uneducated opinions of a few MTGS posters, yikes!
Back on topic, super excited about fun-loving Elf Tyvar. King af! So happy there's representation for all the Elves who live in Scandinavia.
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Also interesting that the pantheon of gods on Kaldheim, the Skoti, are usurpers. I wonder who the "good guys" are supposed to be... the Skoti, or the Einir (former Elven gods)?
One can advocate for greater representation of a marginalized community without taking offence at another marginalized community becoming better represented.
But back to the specific planeswalkers in question, I wonder if Niko Aris would be able to jailbreak Nicol Bolas out with their ability?
Somebody on Reddit made the suggestion and it's intriguing, as Aris wouldn't necessarily have to be a villain to find reason to do it. As a relatively new PW I could see them not knowing of the implications of such an act, and become an unwilling pawn of a Bolas agent via coercion, trickery or hostage-taking.
(on the latter, the Bolas agent could threaten a family member or friend)
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Still waiting for more planeswalkers that aren't boring human or human in all but name. I have given up hope for more that differ from humanoid body plan.
Oko goes by "he", Ashiok is cool but kinda a psychopath, and Karn is just basically a robot. I'm not entirely sure of the point being made here.
If we had another non-humanoid walker then we'd just be checking a different box, but one that you would prefer instead.
Live and let live dude
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All entirely different. Oko isn’t non-binary at all, Ashiok is a monster and not necessarily non-binary so much as just “unknown”, and Karn isn’t strongly attached to gender while also perpetuating the “robots and aliens are the only non-binary representatives” trope. A good, decidedly human and explicitly non-binary representative is not exactly an unreasonable thing.
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I could be wrong but I think Teyo is Latino no?
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What about Teyo is recognizably Latino? He looks and is called the same as a generic human from, say, Star Wars.
Mike Bierek coming out and saying "hey, btw Teyo is actually Latino if you didn't know!" is the same as J.K. Rowling saying 10 years later that Dumbledore is gay despite there not being any sign of it whatsoever in the books.
The closest to an identifiably Latino PW is Huatli. And even then she represents precolumbian aztecs, a very specific subgroup.
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Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
I mean, the artist of the piece himself said that Teyo was the first Latino planeswalker and he receives instructions on how and what to paint from WotC themselves...
He looks Latino to me though I'm admittedly no expert on the matter either. I know that WotC has come out and said that they want to make each plane ethnically diverse regardless of the fantasy tropes that inform the world, and this especially on worlds that are based on western fantasy tropes.
It is however perfectly reasonable to want more representation than Teyo and Huatli though, in terms of Latin American and Indigenous South American cultures.
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
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He has matte skin and dark brown hair. If that's what an artist considers enough to "represent" Latinos, that's actually insulting.
It's not.
Full disclosure, if this game was 98% white people in the art (as is the actual demographic that plays it and produces it), I wouldn't mind at all. What bothers me is the clear pandering and overrepresentation of Black people for obvious political reasons, while there's a much larger Latino playerbase than Black playerbase. If they truly cared about accurate representation, we would have a LOT more Latino characters.
The fact that they are so desperate to overrepresent Black people because BLM is actually a sign of how USA-centric the game is, because BLM is just not a thing down here, or at least it's a small part in comparison to indigenous people's vindication movements (like the Mapuche in Chile and Argentina, the various Incan-descended and Andean peoples of Peru and Bolivia, and let's not even get started on Brazil).
You can argue for more representation without putting down the representation of others. Black and mixed race people exist in South America as well, even if they aren't Latino in a phenotypic sense.
EDIT: Fatfingered the post button before I meant to. I also meant to add that I agree, MtG should represent the Latinx people more as well. It would need to start with more worlds that make that influence clear, I think.
My only gripe is accuracy. If we're doing Ixalan, should be Latino. Kamigawa, Japanese. Theros, Greek. Aside from PW, I'd like planes to have racial identity as well, except places like Dominaria that have many continents and aren't based on real-world cultures. After the Theros art book, it finally made sense why Theros has black people, since they did expand its geography (thankfully) so it can encompass North Africa-like regions instead of just being three freaking cities. But it's awkward if we return to Kamigawa and there's anything but Asian natives for example.
Then again idk, Linden kinda worked in Edlraine despite it being European themed.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Except, I have met Hispanic folx that do have dark brown hair. I think it is perfectly reasonable to want greater Latin American representation but please understand that if the decision by WotC's to represent more Black people is inherently political, than it would be just as political to consciously represent more Latin American people.
Furthermore, this isn't a zero-sum issue. Having more Black people represented in MtG does not necessarily impede any greater, and more conscious decision by WotC to represent Latinos.
Edit: As ThyLordQ put it, one can argue for greater representation without the attack on other marginalized peoples.
Help me understand here.
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
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And I completely agree with that. If we returned to Kamigawa and everyone but the planeswalkers were of an Asian phenotype, that'd be completely fine by me. That's only accurate. Same thing for a Slavic-themed plane with most or only Slavic looking people. It's the fact that they're so afraid to put white people in the Scandinavian plane that they HAVE to slap a Black woman on the cover that bothers me. But hey, at least we know they would'd dare to do that in a Chinese-inspired plane...
"Accuracy" is usually a troubling thing to hold fantasy, even fantasy partially based on reality to, because "accuracy" is often inaccurate. Reality is far messier and more complicated than history is taught and there are a lot of misconceptions about how isolated segments of humanity have been for a very long time.
I do love Gideon (RIP) and now Calix though, which I feel represents me. Calix is great. And hopefully we'll see more of Basri going forward.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
As a white guy I'm perfectly able to advocate for myself thanks, and Kaya's presence as Kaldheim's face is a non-issue as we just had a main set where everyone was pretty pasty and I'm getting mixed messages as to your actual intent.
Go ahead. Fight without me. I'm just gonna ignore from now on. I demonstrated evidence regarding Teyo, if one doesn't like being demonstrably wrong, well that isn't my problem.
Edit: Tyvar Kell is a Scandinavian elf.
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I am a Latino with matte skin and brown hair. Also, I could be from Switzerland and have the exact same colors. Brown hair doesn't represent me as a Latino.
The thing is, from what I've heard from WOTC, The Professor, and other advocates for diversity in WOTC (I know TCC isn't officially WOTC but he gives the same points), the point of diversity in MTG art and lore isn't (explicitly, but we all know it's the real reason) because of contigent political issues, but because they want an "accurate representation of human diversity and playerbase". If that was truly the case, we would have a lot more Latino representation than Black representation because the Latino playerbase is indeed larger than the Black playerbase.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Back on topic, super excited about fun-loving Elf Tyvar. King af! So happy there's representation for all the Elves who live in Scandinavia.
--
Also interesting that the pantheon of gods on Kaldheim, the Skoti, are usurpers. I wonder who the "good guys" are supposed to be... the Skoti, or the Einir (former Elven gods)?
But back to the specific planeswalkers in question, I wonder if Niko Aris would be able to jailbreak Nicol Bolas out with their ability?
Somebody on Reddit made the suggestion and it's intriguing, as Aris wouldn't necessarily have to be a villain to find reason to do it. As a relatively new PW I could see them not knowing of the implications of such an act, and become an unwilling pawn of a Bolas agent via coercion, trickery or hostage-taking.
(on the latter, the Bolas agent could threaten a family member or friend)
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
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