So you just find the guy who's playing Goblins and cast this in response to Goblin Recruiter?
let me put it this way if that's on the stack and the agent jumps in that’s means by default they have to scoop (Because you can tutor for all the goblins thus exiling all of them since you instantly mind control players the moment they Search their libraries)
Although people are listing how strong this is with [cardname], remember that this isn't a legendary card, and you'll have to find this in your deck to enable all of the shenanigans y'all are proposing.
Sure, it's really cool, and strong, but I don't think it's going to be as crazy as it seems. It might sneak in and thwart an enemy once, but then it's just going to die to something immediately. Anyone who says that this card is going to destroy magic and be too powerful has obviously never sat down and played a game of magic. Creatures die all the time. Someone plays this? Steals your search? Just kill it like a normal person and move on. If you don't, I'm sure one of the other people at the table will make ends meet.
This is one of those cards that will dance in and take a play, but it's not going to autowin a game. Let's be real.
The payoff is much higher, but it is way, way easier to abuse Notion Thief. I'm not even sure this is better than Shadow of Doubt. It's a useful counter to tutors for black decks lacking white, blue, and/or red.
Although people are listing how strong this is with [cardname], remember that this isn't a legendary card, and you'll have to find this in your deck to enable all of the shenanigans y'all are proposing.
Sure, it's really cool, and strong, but I don't think it's going to be as crazy as it seems. It might sneak in and thwart an enemy once, but then it's just going to die to something immediately.
Heard the same things about prime rime, sylvan primordial, and prophet of kruphix.
Dont forget black is THE tutor color. Pair it with green, blue, or even white and finding this every game is cake
Reanimating it, or bouncing it, are also stupid easy
And it doesnt have to be played right away, it can be held up for the most devastating time
Oh, and you can run multiples in vintage, and legacy
Although people are listing how strong this is with [cardname], remember that this isn't a legendary card, and you'll have to find this in your deck to enable all of the shenanigans y'all are proposing.
Sure, it's really cool, and strong, but I don't think it's going to be as crazy as it seems. It might sneak in and thwart an enemy once, but then it's just going to die to something immediately.
Heard the same things about prime rime, sylvan primordial, and prophet of kruphix.
Dont forget black is THE tutor color. Pair it with green, blue, or even white and finding this every game is cake
Reanimating it, or bouncing it, are also stupid easy
And it doesnt have to be played right away, it can be held up for the most devastating time
Oh, and you can run multiples in vintage, and legacy
Its just dummy strong
I feel like there are way more cards not banned or even relevant in Commander that people decry as OP than there are for the opposite.
I just don't see the payoff for most decks to turbo tutoring out a 3/2 that will sometimes catch someone. It's like tutoring a Paraetor's Grasp. Easily doable, but what is the payout?
Let me put it this way. I have been testing Op Agent. My Death and Taxes opp played Stoneforge Mystic, I flashed in a OA, stole a Jitte, played it the next turn, and won the game. Next game I played a Show and Tell player, he cast Intuition, I flashed in a OA, exiled every copy left in his deck of Show and Tell, and won the game. From playtesting, I am telling you this card is strong.
Let me put it this way. I have been testing Op Agent. My Death and Taxes opp played Stoneforge Mystic, I flashed in a OA, stole a Jitte, played it the next turn, and won the game. Next game I played a Show and Tell player, he cast Intuition, I flashed in a OA, exiled every copy left in his deck of Show and Tell, and won the game. From playtesting, I am telling you this card is strong.
So you countered two spells in two games?
I get that it's a good card, but it isn't really more broken than other options in the formats available to it. It'll probably see some sideboard play in Legacy/ Vintage, and some Commander play.
Let me put it this way. I have been testing Op Agent. My Death and Taxes opp played Stoneforge Mystic, I flashed in a OA, stole a Jitte, played it the next turn, and won the game. Next game I played a Show and Tell player, he cast Intuition, I flashed in a OA, exiled every copy left in his deck of Show and Tell, and won the game. From playtesting, I am telling you this card is strong.
So you countered two spells in two games?
I get that it's a good card, but it isn't really more broken than other options in the formats available to it. It'll probably see some sideboard play in Legacy/ Vintage, and some Commander play.
Also, while not exactly the point being made, you shouldn't have gotten to steal anything off Stoneforge. Her ability is a "May" so they should have just chosen not to search. So, while it ended up well for you, in reality it should have just been a temporary Shadow of Doubt for that turn and a misunderstanding on someone's part is the only reason you got a card.
Did I say countered? I said stole a game winning equipment, exiled all the key cards from a combo players deck, and won both games solely on the strength of OA. So saying, " COUNTERED " shows no understanding of what this card does.
Did I say countered? I said stole a game winning equipment, exiled all the key cards from a combo players deck, and won both games solely on the strength of OA. So saying, " COUNTERED " shows no understanding of what this card does.
You only stole a game breaking equipment because somebody else misread their own card. And for 1 mana less you could have just played your own Stoneforge into Jitte, since apparently they had no answer for it.
Exiling key cards from an opponent's deck wins the game as much as a timely counter will. And it's not even like you exiled the carda, you still had to rely on them setting you up for it.
You're overestimating the utility of a decent card.
The same kind of person that goes " Delver dies to removal not that good. Breach is useless because of gy hate not that good. Griselbrand does not win the game on his own not they good. Veil of Summer is very limited not that good. Oko only created elks and has some life gain it does not win not that good. Uro has to sac itself and loses to gy hate not that good. " Cool you dont get it. It's the power level of a card, the kind of deck is goes in, and how it elevates the deck and also how it stands on it's own. But naysayers gonna nay. I understand this is a new legacy staple. I'm sure you will claim you knew the whole time after it starts getting more hype and others fall on the bandwagon.
The same kind of person that goes " Delver dies to removal not that good. Breach is useless because of gy hate not that good. Griselbrand does not win the game on his own not they good. Veil of Summer is very limited not that good. Oko only created elks and has some life gain it does not win not that good. Uro has to sac itself and loses to gy hate not that good. " Cool you dont get it. It's the power level of a card, the kind of deck is goes in, and how it elevates the deck and also how it stands on it's own. But naysayers gonna say. I understand this is a new legacy staple. I'm sure you will claim you knew the whole time after it starts getting more hype and others fall on the bandwagon.
That's a whole lot of assumptions and straw men in response to me asking for more details. And you didn't even address the issue with the Stoneforge play. I even stated above that it will probably see play in Legacy, in sideboards. Don't really know what you're going on about, but the emotional reaction you're having says to me that you're not great at logical, level headed thinking, and that your playtest data is inherently tainted by such fallacies.
Do you have playtest logs and/ or decklists, or are you going to continue having a temper tantrum about me asking you to Show and Tell. Should be easy, you can cast 3 of them.
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Wont stay there. Shes not good enough to warrant that
let me put it this way if that's on the stack and the agent jumps in that’s means by default they have to scoop (Because you can tutor for all the goblins thus exiling all of them since you instantly mind control players the moment they Search their libraries)
Sure, it's really cool, and strong, but I don't think it's going to be as crazy as it seems. It might sneak in and thwart an enemy once, but then it's just going to die to something immediately. Anyone who says that this card is going to destroy magic and be too powerful has obviously never sat down and played a game of magic. Creatures die all the time. Someone plays this? Steals your search? Just kill it like a normal person and move on. If you don't, I'm sure one of the other people at the table will make ends meet.
This is one of those cards that will dance in and take a play, but it's not going to autowin a game. Let's be real.
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Heard the same things about prime rime, sylvan primordial, and prophet of kruphix.
Dont forget black is THE tutor color. Pair it with green, blue, or even white and finding this every game is cake
Reanimating it, or bouncing it, are also stupid easy
And it doesnt have to be played right away, it can be held up for the most devastating time
Oh, and you can run multiples in vintage, and legacy
Its just dummy strong
I feel like there are way more cards not banned or even relevant in Commander that people decry as OP than there are for the opposite.
I just don't see the payoff for most decks to turbo tutoring out a 3/2 that will sometimes catch someone. It's like tutoring a Paraetor's Grasp. Easily doable, but what is the payout?
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So you countered two spells in two games?
I get that it's a good card, but it isn't really more broken than other options in the formats available to it. It'll probably see some sideboard play in Legacy/ Vintage, and some Commander play.
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You only stole a game breaking equipment because somebody else misread their own card. And for 1 mana less you could have just played your own Stoneforge into Jitte, since apparently they had no answer for it.
Exiling key cards from an opponent's deck wins the game as much as a timely counter will. And it's not even like you exiled the carda, you still had to rely on them setting you up for it.
You're overestimating the utility of a decent card.
Edit: Do you have decklists and playlogs?
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That's a whole lot of assumptions and straw men in response to me asking for more details. And you didn't even address the issue with the Stoneforge play. I even stated above that it will probably see play in Legacy, in sideboards. Don't really know what you're going on about, but the emotional reaction you're having says to me that you're not great at logical, level headed thinking, and that your playtest data is inherently tainted by such fallacies.
Do you have playtest logs and/ or decklists, or are you going to continue having a temper tantrum about me asking you to Show and Tell. Should be easy, you can cast 3 of them.
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Nvm, “may” kinda kills this idea,
but the card is still super good.
Would still be a fun response to Scapeshift
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The Scapeshift player just won't sac any land, and you'll get nothing. It's just a fancy counterspell in this case.
Another part thinks, hmm, perhaps this isn't the set's only Big Power Card? Guess we'll have to wait and see.