You know that really confusing mechanic that no-one ever really gets? I know, I know you're thinking "banding" but banding is simple compared to this... well let's put it back in a Core set. I for one, love it, but I wonder if it's going to be better understood this time around.
At a guess, looking at how it's used on Teferi, they're probably sticking to just "phases out", rather than cards that actually have Phasing. The way Phasing worked on a permanent was the confusing part, where pointing at a thing and going "That doesn't exist until my/your next turn" is pretty intuitive.
Edit: It also probably helps that the rules around phasing have been cleaned up a ton in the intervening years. For a long time, it triggered leave the battlefield effects, but not enter the battlefield effects? It was a mess. Eventually they figured out the wording to make it just be "this is treated as though it doesn't exist", but that was well after phasing had stopped being used.
I still remember Phasing best from when it first released. I hadn't realized the rules had been cleaned up. That does make things a lot easier.
What part of the Weatherlight is deteriorating in those backgrounds? The damage to the sail is identical in all four versions.
It looks like they took four screenshots of a short animation where *only* those special effects in that circle where changing, and slightly at that, and went, "yep, that justifies printing four 'different' cards"...
I'm really not sure what they were trying to do with those Teferi promos. If they wanted to show off time manipulation across several cards why didn't they do it more... I mean, if you had shown me each in isolation or all just at a glance I wouldn't even notice a difference.
I'm not even sure I notice a noteworthy difference after staring at them for 5 minutes.
As the circle magic gets darker, the background Weatherlight gets older.
That's not even true. If you compare them piece by piece the ship looks the same on each version. The wings are tattered with the same holes. The spears or whatever are still the same. The hull is not more or less damaged. There is no sense of progression on anything in the image.
Also I don't think that's the weatherlight. Looks more like a phyrexian ship to me.
In other news, I found the differences between the different promo Teferis. It took me a while and it's really hard to spot, but its in the lower left corner, right above "M21". :^)
Why they are errataing the hounds to be dogs? There are really some people that refused to play hound tribal and will now play them because they are called dogs?
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Why they are errataing the hounds to be dogs? There are really some people that refused to play hound tribal and will now play them because they are called dogs?
Its been a small "fight" within wizards since "hound" means a breed of hunting dog, thus all hounds are dogs but not all dogs are hounds.
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Why they are errataing the hounds to be dogs? There are really some people that refused to play hound tribal and will now play them because they are called dogs?
Its been a small "fight" within wizards since "hound" means a breed of hunting dog, thus all hounds are dogs but not all dogs are hounds.
Additionally, Hound is less resonant than Dog, so they've printed less hounds over the years than more popular creatures types like Cat.
I'm really not sure what they were trying to do with those Teferi promos. If they wanted to show off time manipulation across several cards why didn't they do it more... I mean, if you had shown me each in isolation or all just at a glance I wouldn't even notice a difference.
I'm not even sure I notice a noteworthy difference after staring at them for 5 minutes.
As the circle magic gets darker, the background Weatherlight gets older.
That's not even true. If you compare them piece by piece the ship looks the same on each version. The wings are tattered with the same holes. The spears or whatever are still the same. The hull is not more or less damaged. There is no sense of progression on anything in the image.
Also I don't think that's the weatherlight. Looks more like a phyrexian ship to me.
In other news, I found the differences between the different promo Teferis. It took me a while and it's really hard to spot, but its in the lower left corner, right above "M21". :^)
Someone put together a cool gif (https://twitter.com/ringmaster_mtg/status/1268940051724951552) that shows the whole sequence. It looks like the intent was more "different times of day" than "different eras", which makes sense given that Teferi's powers of time travel have always been fairly localized. He can slow it down or speed it up, but he's not (typically) going to be able to jump back or forward years, much less the centuries it would take to show wear on the weatherlight.
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And those reprints. Top notch. This is what Core sets need, strong playable reprint rares and mythics (and uncommons too). I hope there are more to come.
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Stop it with the phasing is confusing thing.....it's not and very simple (the reminder text on Teferi's Protection is very basic)
What the hell is with 4 different arts for teferi, took me 10 minutes to figure out the wobbles are different colors
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agreed phasing was the first thing I brought to an fnm , did'nt win much but it was fun
In what universe? If you build a deck like that, and ever draw that hand, I will personally come to wherever you live, perform complicated acts of awestruck ********, then disembowel myself to escape the world that allowed something like this to occur and validate you.
It becomes childish trash fantasy at this point ...
They cater to people that like dogs and cats, ok, fine, but this kind of stuff is just cheap and this stuff hurts immersion in a fantasy world that isnt just silly (it feels more like Narnia, and damages the believability of a fantasy world).
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So yes, this kind of stuff should be put in dedicated Commander products, so people that like dogs/cats can buy exactly what they want.
Its a bad place to put that stuff in a regular magic set.
It becomes childish trash fantasy at this point ...
They cater to people that like dogs and cats, ok, fine, but this kind of stuff is just cheap and this stuff hurts immersion in a fantasy world that isnt just silly (it feels more like Narnia, and damages the believability of a fantasy world).
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So yes, this kind of stuff should be put in dedicated Commander products, so people that like dogs/cats can buy exactly what they want.
Its a bad place to put that stuff in a regular magic set.
I have to say I .....agree with this sentiment.
It's an unfortunate truth I think that this could be a slippery slope.
Awwww, just let the doggie be, they will say..... and that would kinda prove the point.
Doggies should NOT be a competitive tribe in Magic:the Gathering , a fun, janky tribe in specialty products yes but ... in a core set.... just a little too cute
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The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
Dogs having a lord doesn't make them competitive. I mean, Wild Mongrel was last good...dozens of years ago?
It will likely be an ok draft theme and might be tier 2 Standard, maybe 1.5 if they really push some of the dogs and cats.
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It becomes childish trash fantasy at this point ...
They cater to people that like dogs and cats, ok, fine, but this kind of stuff is just cheap and this stuff hurts immersion in a fantasy world that isnt just silly (it feels more like Narnia, and damages the believability of a fantasy world).
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So yes, this kind of stuff should be put in dedicated Commander products, so people that like dogs/cats can buy exactly what they want.
Its a bad place to put that stuff in a regular magic set.
Alright, so let me get this straight. Them changing hounds to dogs and them making a dog/cat lord legendary is My Little Pony and it's somehow "trash fantasy" because.......reasons?
-First, what is "trash fantasy"? What makes something trash fantasy? Why is Narnia considered bad fantasy? Why is children's fantasy bad? The idea that fantasy has to stick to a strict formula and it can be nothing else actually takes away from the idea of fantasy and is asinine.
-Second, what makes it My Little Pony?
-Third, how in a core set does a inseparable dog and cat duo damage the believability of a fantasy world in a card set that isn't based on any singular world. Watch out, that dog and cat liking each other makes the world crossing spirit dragon that was brought back to life by a time traveling dragon worshiper or the embodiment of magic that came together from combining an undead chick that kills everything she touches, who is dead by her brother's hand and brought back to life by an evil cult, an angel made by a wizard so he could see his loved one again, and thanks to the magic of a silver orb that was made by a time traveling, world crossing silver golem seem less believable. You're right though, that dog and cat teaming up makes all of that sound silly now.
-Fourth, why is changing hound to dog so upsetting to you? Honestly, I thought that should have happened years ago. If Nagas are changed to snakes will you be upset by that too?
-Fifth, why is this card problematic in a Core Set? The newest Teferi is more of a problem than this card.
-Sixth, why would this be more okay in commander? They would need to create enough new card to supply a new type that would need to be shared across multiple decks and therefore would only have maybe a dozen cards, at best, for a new creature type.
-Seventh, you claim a commander set is better because "people can buy what they want" but isn't this being a core set also allowing people to buy what they want?
It seems awfully strange to call this card trash and call other fantasy worlds trash just because hound is changing to dog and that there is now a card where a cat and dog like each other.
Doggies should NOT be a competitive tribe in Magic:the Gathering , a fun, janky tribe in specialty products yes but ... in a core set.... just a little too cute
I do have some questions.
Which tribes should be in a core set?
How many cards must a creature type have before it's allowed in a standard set? Centaurs and Minotaurs didn't have many cards and we have gotten lords for them in standard sets, same as druids and archers. Hell, kobolds have lords for them and there aren't many.
What makes this a slippery slope? While I think it is cheating to go "a creature type that didn't have a lord" and then put out a type that technically didn't exist I don't really see the issue.
How come dogs can't be competitive? Cats are competitive enough and keep getting support, they started the same way, just like other creature types.
Note: I don't care that this card exists, I don't like or love it. I won't be buying a box to get it or buying it as a single (unless it's like $1), but it existing doesn't hurt Magic in any way. This latest version of Teferi has a better chance of hurting the game in general more than this "alone in the world was little CatDog" and it definitely isn't hurting the brand or its fantasy.
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That Teferi card is Mind Sculptor / Lilliana of the Veil league in power level.
There must be some rule that all Teferi cards must be broken or something. I'm stunned by it. I expect it to be at least $50+
I judge it from an EDH perspective though, so I could be wrong, but this is my impression.
Nah... he’s quite good, but not that level imo.
You’re right that he is better than average in EDH,
but PWs in EDH are always super risky if you don’t have some stax pieces to protect them.
His ability to go once each turn will matter a lot less in 2 player games,
especially since his first two abilities are unimpressive, though useful.
I still remember Phasing best from when it first released. I hadn't realized the rules had been cleaned up. That does make things a lot easier.
What part of the Weatherlight is deteriorating in those backgrounds? The damage to the sail is identical in all four versions.
It looks like they took four screenshots of a short animation where *only* those special effects in that circle where changing, and slightly at that, and went, "yep, that justifies printing four 'different' cards"...
That's not even true. If you compare them piece by piece the ship looks the same on each version. The wings are tattered with the same holes. The spears or whatever are still the same. The hull is not more or less damaged. There is no sense of progression on anything in the image.
Also I don't think that's the weatherlight. Looks more like a phyrexian ship to me.
In other news, I found the differences between the different promo Teferis. It took me a while and it's really hard to spot, but its in the lower left corner, right above "M21". :^)
Its been a small "fight" within wizards since "hound" means a breed of hunting dog, thus all hounds are dogs but not all dogs are hounds.
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And those reprints. Top notch. This is what Core sets need, strong playable reprint rares and mythics (and uncommons too). I hope there are more to come.
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agreed phasing was the first thing I brought to an fnm , did'nt win much but it was fun
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It becomes childish trash fantasy at this point ...
They cater to people that like dogs and cats, ok, fine, but this kind of stuff is just cheap and this stuff hurts immersion in a fantasy world that isnt just silly (it feels more like Narnia, and damages the believability of a fantasy world).
----
So yes, this kind of stuff should be put in dedicated Commander products, so people that like dogs/cats can buy exactly what they want.
Its a bad place to put that stuff in a regular magic set.
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I have to say I .....agree with this sentiment.
It's an unfortunate truth I think that this could be a slippery slope.
Awwww, just let the doggie be, they will say..... and that would kinda prove the point.
Doggies should NOT be a competitive tribe in Magic:the Gathering , a fun, janky tribe in specialty products yes but ... in a core set.... just a little too cute
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Great catch! That's actually pretty neat.
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It will likely be an ok draft theme and might be tier 2 Standard, maybe 1.5 if they really push some of the dogs and cats.
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Alright, so let me get this straight. Them changing hounds to dogs and them making a dog/cat lord legendary is My Little Pony and it's somehow "trash fantasy" because.......reasons?
-First, what is "trash fantasy"? What makes something trash fantasy? Why is Narnia considered bad fantasy? Why is children's fantasy bad? The idea that fantasy has to stick to a strict formula and it can be nothing else actually takes away from the idea of fantasy and is asinine.
-Second, what makes it My Little Pony?
-Third, how in a core set does a inseparable dog and cat duo damage the believability of a fantasy world in a card set that isn't based on any singular world. Watch out, that dog and cat liking each other makes the world crossing spirit dragon that was brought back to life by a time traveling dragon worshiper or the embodiment of magic that came together from combining an undead chick that kills everything she touches, who is dead by her brother's hand and brought back to life by an evil cult, an angel made by a wizard so he could see his loved one again, and thanks to the magic of a silver orb that was made by a time traveling, world crossing silver golem seem less believable. You're right though, that dog and cat teaming up makes all of that sound silly now.
-Fourth, why is changing hound to dog so upsetting to you? Honestly, I thought that should have happened years ago. If Nagas are changed to snakes will you be upset by that too?
-Fifth, why is this card problematic in a Core Set? The newest Teferi is more of a problem than this card.
-Sixth, why would this be more okay in commander? They would need to create enough new card to supply a new type that would need to be shared across multiple decks and therefore would only have maybe a dozen cards, at best, for a new creature type.
-Seventh, you claim a commander set is better because "people can buy what they want" but isn't this being a core set also allowing people to buy what they want?
It seems awfully strange to call this card trash and call other fantasy worlds trash just because hound is changing to dog and that there is now a card where a cat and dog like each other.
I do have some questions.
Which tribes should be in a core set?
How many cards must a creature type have before it's allowed in a standard set? Centaurs and Minotaurs didn't have many cards and we have gotten lords for them in standard sets, same as druids and archers. Hell, kobolds have lords for them and there aren't many.
What makes this a slippery slope? While I think it is cheating to go "a creature type that didn't have a lord" and then put out a type that technically didn't exist I don't really see the issue.
How come dogs can't be competitive? Cats are competitive enough and keep getting support, they started the same way, just like other creature types.
Note: I don't care that this card exists, I don't like or love it. I won't be buying a box to get it or buying it as a single (unless it's like $1), but it existing doesn't hurt Magic in any way. This latest version of Teferi has a better chance of hurting the game in general more than this "alone in the world was little CatDog" and it definitely isn't hurting the brand or its fantasy.
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There must be some rule that all Teferi cards must be broken or something. I'm stunned by it. I expect it to be at least $50+
I judge it from an EDH perspective though, so I could be wrong, but this is my impression.
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Nah... he’s quite good, but not that level imo.
You’re right that he is better than average in EDH,
but PWs in EDH are always super risky if you don’t have some stax pieces to protect them.
His ability to go once each turn will matter a lot less in 2 player games,
especially since his first two abilities are unimpressive, though useful.
I’d put him more on the level of Teferi, Hero of Dominaria or Liliana, the Last Hope,
which is still fairly high-tier.
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