Why on earth would you want them to stop making the drafts fun?
How on Earth did you derive that from my post? Nothing could be further from the truth.
Every release does not need to be draftable. You have been conditioned to think every set needs to be draftable because WotC has done this for 25 plus years. You have a myriad of sets to draft from, ALL OF THEM. Some of us are asking for a set that focuses on reprinting wanted and needed cards in far greater amounts than the usual built for draft first/reprint second. (Kill the Draft chaff and include CONSTRUCTED only centric cards) Then NOT sponsoring it as a draft set. That simple. So I will ask, Why does EVERY "special" set and release HAVE to be draftable?
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Anything above a normal masters set price (which it's so obviously not gonna be) won't be worth. Buy the singles. Don't support wotc's unreasonable greed is my opinion
Personally, I feel that booster packs can only exist as they do because of limited formats. Seriously, the excuse that booster pack randomness powers limited is arguably a major part of what makes booster packs “not gambling”.
If something were to happen to correct the problem, and I do feel that the problem exists, I truly think that it would need to take an entirely new form.
For example, let’s consider a hypothetical mix of Secret Lair and the infamous Disney Vault. Let’s say that wizards kept a list of singles that you could buy from them at all times, that the list is frequently changing, and that all cards on the list (whether it’s a squire or scalding tarn) has the exact same purchase price (let’s say $10 or $15). While this would “officially” cement all cards as effectively even in value, power differences would naturally drive up some prices and sustain the second hand market when good cards go back into “the vault”.
Meanwhile, individual magic packs are treated as special promotions for their newest set and as enablers of limited formats, essentially giving you $150 of product (kind of) for the normal cost of a pack.
Something like that seems a bit more likely than a set with no bad cards... and this isn’t particularly likely on the whole.
Personally, I feel that booster packs can only exist as they do because of limited formats. Seriously, the excuse that booster pack randomness powers limited is arguably a major part of what makes booster packs “not gambling”.
The fact that they are not gambling is a major part of what makes them not gambling.
A randomized product is still a product. In order for it to be gambling there would have to be a lose state. Not getting the specific item you want from a group of randomized items is not losing.
Source: I am licensed by the DoJ and literally work in the gambling industry.
Personally, I feel that booster packs can only exist as they do because of limited formats. Seriously, the excuse that booster pack randomness powers limited is arguably a major part of what makes booster packs “not gambling”.
The fact that they are not gambling is a major part of what makes them not gambling.
A randomized product is still a product. In order for it to be gambling there would have to be a lose state. Not getting the specific item you want from a group of randomized items is not losing.
Source: I am licensed by the DoJ and literally work in the gambling industry.
I suppose the law can be black and white sometimes... right up until the point that it changes. The whole advent of loot boxes has been blurring the lines as to what constitutes gambling for nigh on a decade, and the only reason they’re not (at the moment) is because virtual items don’t have any tradable value. Magic cards do, which begs the question: if you pay $4 for a lottery pack with the expectation that your ROI might be upwards of 700%, and you get less than $0.50 in value instead, how is that not a lose state? It’s effectively the same risk/reward model as a scratch card, which is most definitely gambling.
Personally, I feel that booster packs can only exist as they do because of limited formats. Seriously, the excuse that booster pack randomness powers limited is arguably a major part of what makes booster packs “not gambling”.
The fact that they are not gambling is a major part of what makes them not gambling.
A randomized product is still a product. In order for it to be gambling there would have to be a lose state. Not getting the specific item you want from a group of randomized items is not losing.
Source: I am licensed by the DoJ and literally work in the gambling industry.
I suppose the law can be black and white sometimes... right up until the point that it changes. The whole advent of loot boxes has been blurring the lines as to what constitutes gambling for nigh on a decade, and the only reason they’re not (at the moment) is because virtual items don’t have any tradable value. Magic cards do, which begs the question: if you pay $4 for a lottery pack with the expectation that your ROI might be upwards of 700%, and you get less than $0.50 in value instead, how is that not a lose state? It’s effectively the same risk/reward model as a scratch card, which is most definitely gambling.
Except that when you buy a lottery ticket the expectation/hope is to win from a prize pool. It can be argued, legally, that MTG is a game, and the value on the secondary market is arbitrary to the intended purpose of the product.
In other words, if your buying unregulated assets such as collectables for investment purposes, you are not protected under the law.
Randomness alone is not the definition of gambling.
I’m just waiting for this to have the same pool of boring cards with mana crypt and another mythic or two to sell the set. It’s nigh impossible to find a hurricane, worldly tutor or a whole slew of interesting off the wall older cards that don’t look like chewed up wads of cotton. And they never get reprinted. Hell I know not to anticipate value here but the sheer fact even interesting cards in need of a border and text update can’t find their way here is infuriating
because draft. Sealed. Reasons
I agree 100%. There are a lot of what most of my playgroup and I would call "good" cards for commander that are usually ignored as far as reprinting goes. Yet WotC keeps reprinting the same cards in every single set.
For example does anyone remember Deathless Angel? I feel like this is a really good card for Commander that is just lost to time because it had a single printing and nobody remembers it. I own a single promo copy and it has done me well in many commander games.
There are a lot of interesting cards out there that are decent and could using reprinting, but we keep getting handed the same old stuff.
Personally, I feel that booster packs can only exist as they do because of limited formats. Seriously, the excuse that booster pack randomness powers limited is arguably a major part of what makes booster packs “not gambling”.
The fact that they are not gambling is a major part of what makes them not gambling.
A randomized product is still a product. In order for it to be gambling there would have to be a lose state. Not getting the specific item you want from a group of randomized items is not losing.
Source: I am licensed by the DoJ and literally work in the gambling industry.
I suppose the law can be black and white sometimes... right up until the point that it changes. The whole advent of loot boxes has been blurring the lines as to what constitutes gambling for nigh on a decade, and the only reason they’re not (at the moment) is because virtual items don’t have any tradable value. Magic cards do, which begs the question: if you pay $4 for a lottery pack with the expectation that your ROI might be upwards of 700%, and you get less than $0.50 in value instead, how is that not a lose state? It’s effectively the same risk/reward model as a scratch card, which is most definitely gambling.
Except hat when you but a lottery ticket the expectation/hope is to win from a prize pool. It can be argued, legally, that MTG is a game, and the value on the secondary market is arbitrary to the intended purpose of the product.
In other words, if your buying unregulated assets such as collectables for investment purposes, you are not protected under the law.
Randomness alone is not the definition of gambling.
Right, and that was kind of Rosy’s point in the first place: it isn’t because it doesn’t meet the form, practice, or legal definition of gambling that it’s not gambling, it’s because it’s ostensibly also a card game - though whether that’s a primary or secondary consideration may be rather moot. Just because you can convince me that’s it’s a paperweight doesn’t mean it’s not also a set of brass knuckles.
What Wizards did up until just a short while ago was say that the value of a card is 1/15 of a pack, and they're designed only for limited, and the reason cards are mythic/rare or uncommon vs. just common is they're better cards for the game. What players do after the fact is on them, and games of Limited can be won without any rares or mythics. Recently, however, with Collector's Boosters, they're very much blurring the lines of the gambling line. When you start actually implying value of cards beyond games of Limited, you're playing a very dangerous game. When the first Modern Masters was sold, the argument for $7 packs was there's a foil in every pack, as supposed to 1/6 or whatever the odds were, which increases the cost of packs. Fine and fair. However, once they started significantly raising the price beyond those logistics concerns, you're getting into gambling territory. And like an addictive drug, they saw how well they sold. And as long as there's enough value in those packs, they'll sell for whatever price Wizards puts, even though there's no way the price for Wizards to make a $4 is any different from the price of a $13 pack. And even Mystery Booster has a foil in every pack, which kills the argument for why Modern Masters 1 was $7/pack.
With all the extras Wizards is doing lately, if someone really wanted to I think a case could be made that what Wizards is doing is selling a lottery ticket type of gambling product. It might be not go far, but it would be a bad look for Wizards.
Personally, I feel that booster packs can only exist as they do because of limited formats. Seriously, the excuse that booster pack randomness powers limited is arguably a major part of what makes booster packs “not gambling”.
The fact that they are not gambling is a major part of what makes them not gambling.
A randomized product is still a product. In order for it to be gambling there would have to be a lose state. Not getting the specific item you want from a group of randomized items is not losing.
Source: I am licensed by the DoJ and literally work in the gambling industry.
I suppose the law can be black and white sometimes... right up until the point that it changes. The whole advent of loot boxes has been blurring the lines as to what constitutes gambling for nigh on a decade, and the only reason they’re not (at the moment) is because virtual items don’t have any tradable value. Magic cards do, which begs the question: if you pay $4 for a lottery pack with the expectation that your ROI might be upwards of 700%, and you get less than $0.50 in value instead, how is that not a lose state? It’s effectively the same risk/reward model as a scratch card, which is most definitely gambling.
Except hat when you but a lottery ticket the expectation/hope is to win from a prize pool. It can be argued, legally, that MTG is a game, and the value on the secondary market is arbitrary to the intended purpose of the product.
In other words, if your buying unregulated assets such as collectables for investment purposes, you are not protected under the law.
Randomness alone is not the definition of gambling.
Right, and that was kind of Rosy’s point in the first place: it isn’t because it doesn’t meet the form, practice, or legal definition of gambling that it’s not gambling, it’s because it’s ostensibly also a card game - though whether that’s a primary or secondary consideration may be rather moot. Just because you can convince me that’s it’s a paperweight doesn’t mean it’s not also a set of brass knuckles.
To further add onto this, they outlawed loot box items in many countries because of the gambling implications. And if buying a booster pack isn't essentially a loot box for a card game, then I dunno what to say.
I know its gambling, My mom knows its gambling, timmy knows its gambling, you know its gambling, wotc knows its gambling. But since when are laws designed to protect the people and not the markets?
Everyone talking about prices here forgets that there's a second part of the price equation. It's called demand.
You can ***** about higher prices, but someone is paying for it. That means the price is right for the market. If you want lower prices then stop buying.
I hope everyone realizes packs are always the least cost effective way to get cards. If money is your concern then never buy packs, just the singles you need.
Everyone talking about prices here forgets that there's a second part of the price equation. It's called demand.
You can ***** about higher prices, but someone is paying for it. That means the price is right for the market. If you want lower prices then stop buying.
I hope everyone realizes packs are always the least cost effective way to get cards. If money is your concern then never buy packs, just the singles you need.
Thank you it's not just me I've been trying to tell people this.
Actually you need to take that a step further and not buy the cards at all. If you buy singles from the secondary market, WotC/Hasbro has already made their money selling them to someone else who has paid for them and opened them. Buying singles doesn't somehow magically take money away from WotC. It doesn't matter how many levels down the chain you are, when you purchase a card you have enabled the producer. Every player in the world could stop buying sealed product and WotC would still sell to distributors/online sellers/LGS and make money (albeit greatly less). Those distributors/online/LGS would open and sell singles then, prices for singles would go up due to the work involved opening them.
Hey, I buy a lot of singles, I'm not above it for sure. Its got to take a buttload more individuals with fiscal discipline to change how it all works right now.
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Actually you need to take that a step further and not buy the cards at all. If you buy singles from the secondary market, WotC/Hasbro has already made their money selling them to someone else who has paid for them and opened them. Buying singles doesn't somehow magically take money away from WotC. It doesn't matter how many levels down the chain you are, when you purchase a card you have enabled the producer. Every player in the world could stop buying sealed product and WotC would still sell to distributors/online sellers/LGS and make money (albeit greatly less). Those distributors/online/LGS would open and sell singles then, prices for singles would go up due to the work involved opening them.
Hey, I buy a lot of singles, I'm not above it for sure. Its got to take a buttload more individuals with fiscal discipline to change how it all works right now.
Well that's a get your head out of clouds thing
Because that's physical impossible everyone who plays eternal formats gets singles
But I've been told too while the 15.99 is an obnoxious reminder there's two rares and 2 foils in the pack and depending on the rares and mythic (and uncommon's if $5) might be not as hard to make a pack value
Am I the only one who can not refrain from comparing new products to Mystery Boosters? This was a reprint set done right, with apparently a great limited environment, reasonable booster price, etc... couldn't try it out myself because of Covid, but I've got a box on the way, the first in a while. Plus there were already more than one rare in most boosters, so the gimmick of "everything is doubled" is kinda lame.
Double Masters doesn't excite me in any way yet. It is soooo expensive. The reprints we've seen already seem to be EDH oriented (again), which is a format I don't play a lot.
But I love spoiler seasons so in a way it's another one I can look forward to x)
For the record, people can draft a set focused exclusively on reprints if they wanted. It would be a mess,
But they could.
We’re beyond this “boosters are for drafting” excuse now that Collector’s Boosters exist. Why is it fine for those packs of reprints to not be made for draft but a set that exists to get reprints into people’s hands must be hamstrung by being a draft set?
For the record, people can draft a set focused exclusively on reprints if they wanted. It would be a mess,
But they could.
We’re beyond this “boosters are for drafting” excuse now that Collector’s Boosters exist. Why is it fine for those packs of reprints to not be made for draft but a set that exists to get reprints into people’s hands must be hamstrung by being a draft set?
I've heard of people who way too much disposable income played Collector Booster draft. It's basically more like Sealed with way too many bombs, but people will still draft it. If people played Unglued draft, people will played anything draft.
Because that's physical impossible everyone who plays eternal formats gets singles
.....From someone else who has bought sealed product and paid Distributors that have paid WotC/Hasbro. You can't escape it unless you don't buy. Buying Secondary still supports WotC/Hasbro plain and simple albeit through levels/layers. Its like people who buy drugs from a local dealer and think they aren't supporting the huge illegal drug cartels and illegal drug makers. They are. Same applies here.
As I've said, I'm guilty of it. But I try to buy what I think I want/need to play, knowing I still support WotC with my money.
If people played Unglued draft, people will played anything draft.
I imagine drafters sitting down at the breakfast table drafting Lucky Charms cereal, or opening a bag of Potato Chips and drafting single chips with their friends. Just a weird mental image I get. Nothing against drafters here.
Am I the only one who can not refrain from comparing new products to Mystery Boosters? This was a reprint set done right, with apparently a great limited environment, reasonable booster price, etc...
Since this set wasn't released at box stores. My LGS hoarded them, asked for 8 to 9 dollars a pack, even for the free boxes they got. Reprints were good but they did not get into the hands of people like you and me, so that is a total fail in my opinion in that aspect.
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For the record, people can draft a set focused exclusively on reprints if they wanted. It would be a mess,
But they could.
We’re beyond this “boosters are for drafting” excuse now that Collector’s Boosters exist. Why is it fine for those packs of reprints to not be made for draft but a set that exists to get reprints into people’s hands must be hamstrung by being a draft set?
Agreed. I’m just waiting for the same tired slop of “creates a good draft environment” to be in this set frankly
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Since this set wasn't released at box stores. My LGS hoarded them, asked for 8 to 9 dollars a pack, even for the free boxes they got. Reprints were good but they did not get into the hands of people like you and me, so that is a total fail in my opinion in that aspect.
That's a problem with your LGS, or on a wider scale the absence of MSRP, but the set itself at the price it was intended to be sold (let's call it "theoretical msrp") was great. My LGS at least didn't gouge us, and the box I'm getting soon is part of a new restock we're still being sold at normal price (120€).
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Since this set wasn't released at box stores. My LGS hoarded them, asked for 8 to 9 dollars a pack, even for the free boxes they got. Reprints were good but they did not get into the hands of people like you and me, so that is a total fail in my opinion in that aspect.
That's a problem with your LGS, or on a wider scale the absence of MSRP, but the set itself at the price it was intended to be sold (let's call it "theoretical msrp") was great. My LGS at least didn't gouge us, and the box I'm getting soon is part of a new restock we're still being sold at normal price (120€).
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okay but like, if enough stores do it its not a store level problem, that makes it a higher level problem to do with distribution, demand, and a lack of msrp.
...a lot of stores did this.
on top of that a lot of stores didn't get much in the way of product, and had difficulty getting replenished
We’re beyond this “boosters are for drafting” excuse now that Collector’s Boosters exist. Why is it fine for those packs of reprints to not be made for draft but a set that exists to get reprints into people’s hands must be hamstrung by being a draft set?
I think most people who have the mind set of boosters are for drafting are against collectors boosters as well. As those are literally just lootboxes.
Why does a set have to come in randomized packs if you can't do anything with that randomness.
but the set itself at the price it was intended to be sold (let's call it "theoretical msrp") was great.
I have to disagree. Intended to be sold and price point it actually sold at were far different in my area. It may have been "great" for you. But it absolutely sucked for me. It should have been offered by big box stores at around a $6.99 "MSRP" and it would have been OK. After tax I am looking at around 10 bucks a pack at my LGS with a possible return of a lot of crap 25 cent rares. I won't do it. The reprints for some of these cards will not drop significantly enough with this type of distribution to benefit me as well. I'm glad it worked out for you, for me not even close.
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How on Earth did you derive that from my post? Nothing could be further from the truth.
Every release does not need to be draftable. You have been conditioned to think every set needs to be draftable because WotC has done this for 25 plus years. You have a myriad of sets to draft from, ALL OF THEM. Some of us are asking for a set that focuses on reprinting wanted and needed cards in far greater amounts than the usual built for draft first/reprint second. (Kill the Draft chaff and include CONSTRUCTED only centric cards) Then NOT sponsoring it as a draft set. That simple. So I will ask, Why does EVERY "special" set and release HAVE to be draftable?
See post #78 above for an example.
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But they could.
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If something were to happen to correct the problem, and I do feel that the problem exists, I truly think that it would need to take an entirely new form.
For example, let’s consider a hypothetical mix of Secret Lair and the infamous Disney Vault. Let’s say that wizards kept a list of singles that you could buy from them at all times, that the list is frequently changing, and that all cards on the list (whether it’s a squire or scalding tarn) has the exact same purchase price (let’s say $10 or $15). While this would “officially” cement all cards as effectively even in value, power differences would naturally drive up some prices and sustain the second hand market when good cards go back into “the vault”.
Meanwhile, individual magic packs are treated as special promotions for their newest set and as enablers of limited formats, essentially giving you $150 of product (kind of) for the normal cost of a pack.
Something like that seems a bit more likely than a set with no bad cards... and this isn’t particularly likely on the whole.
The fact that they are not gambling is a major part of what makes them not gambling.
A randomized product is still a product. In order for it to be gambling there would have to be a lose state. Not getting the specific item you want from a group of randomized items is not losing.
Source: I am licensed by the DoJ and literally work in the gambling industry.
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I suppose the law can be black and white sometimes... right up until the point that it changes. The whole advent of loot boxes has been blurring the lines as to what constitutes gambling for nigh on a decade, and the only reason they’re not (at the moment) is because virtual items don’t have any tradable value. Magic cards do, which begs the question: if you pay $4 for a lottery pack with the expectation that your ROI might be upwards of 700%, and you get less than $0.50 in value instead, how is that not a lose state? It’s effectively the same risk/reward model as a scratch card, which is most definitely gambling.
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Except that when you buy a lottery ticket the expectation/hope is to win from a prize pool. It can be argued, legally, that MTG is a game, and the value on the secondary market is arbitrary to the intended purpose of the product.
In other words, if your buying unregulated assets such as collectables for investment purposes, you are not protected under the law.
Randomness alone is not the definition of gambling.
I agree 100%. There are a lot of what most of my playgroup and I would call "good" cards for commander that are usually ignored as far as reprinting goes. Yet WotC keeps reprinting the same cards in every single set.
For example does anyone remember Deathless Angel? I feel like this is a really good card for Commander that is just lost to time because it had a single printing and nobody remembers it. I own a single promo copy and it has done me well in many commander games.
There are a lot of interesting cards out there that are decent and could using reprinting, but we keep getting handed the same old stuff.
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Right, and that was kind of Rosy’s point in the first place: it isn’t because it doesn’t meet the form, practice, or legal definition of gambling that it’s not gambling, it’s because it’s ostensibly also a card game - though whether that’s a primary or secondary consideration may be rather moot. Just because you can convince me that’s it’s a paperweight doesn’t mean it’s not also a set of brass knuckles.
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With all the extras Wizards is doing lately, if someone really wanted to I think a case could be made that what Wizards is doing is selling a lottery ticket type of gambling product. It might be not go far, but it would be a bad look for Wizards.
To further add onto this, they outlawed loot box items in many countries because of the gambling implications. And if buying a booster pack isn't essentially a loot box for a card game, then I dunno what to say.
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You can ***** about higher prices, but someone is paying for it. That means the price is right for the market. If you want lower prices then stop buying.
I hope everyone realizes packs are always the least cost effective way to get cards. If money is your concern then never buy packs, just the singles you need.
Thank you it's not just me I've been trying to tell people this.
Hey, I buy a lot of singles, I'm not above it for sure. Its got to take a buttload more individuals with fiscal discipline to change how it all works right now.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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Well that's a get your head out of clouds thing
Because that's physical impossible everyone who plays eternal formats gets singles
But I've been told too while the 15.99 is an obnoxious reminder there's two rares and 2 foils in the pack and depending on the rares and mythic (and uncommon's if $5) might be not as hard to make a pack value
But it depends
Double Masters doesn't excite me in any way yet. It is soooo expensive. The reprints we've seen already seem to be EDH oriented (again), which is a format I don't play a lot.
But I love spoiler seasons so in a way it's another one I can look forward to x)
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We’re beyond this “boosters are for drafting” excuse now that Collector’s Boosters exist. Why is it fine for those packs of reprints to not be made for draft but a set that exists to get reprints into people’s hands must be hamstrung by being a draft set?
I've heard of people who way too much disposable income played Collector Booster draft. It's basically more like Sealed with way too many bombs, but people will still draft it. If people played Unglued draft, people will played anything draft.
.....From someone else who has bought sealed product and paid Distributors that have paid WotC/Hasbro. You can't escape it unless you don't buy. Buying Secondary still supports WotC/Hasbro plain and simple albeit through levels/layers. Its like people who buy drugs from a local dealer and think they aren't supporting the huge illegal drug cartels and illegal drug makers. They are. Same applies here.
As I've said, I'm guilty of it. But I try to buy what I think I want/need to play, knowing I still support WotC with my money.
I imagine drafters sitting down at the breakfast table drafting Lucky Charms cereal, or opening a bag of Potato Chips and drafting single chips with their friends. Just a weird mental image I get. Nothing against drafters here.
Since this set wasn't released at box stores. My LGS hoarded them, asked for 8 to 9 dollars a pack, even for the free boxes they got. Reprints were good but they did not get into the hands of people like you and me, so that is a total fail in my opinion in that aspect.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
That's a problem with your LGS, or on a wider scale the absence of MSRP, but the set itself at the price it was intended to be sold (let's call it "theoretical msrp") was great. My LGS at least didn't gouge us, and the box I'm getting soon is part of a new restock we're still being sold at normal price (120€).
Modern : Solemnity Prison Martyr Proc Devotion to Green 8 Whacks Eldrazi Processor Bogles Landfall Aggro
Legacy : Goblins
okay but like, if enough stores do it its not a store level problem, that makes it a higher level problem to do with distribution, demand, and a lack of msrp.
...a lot of stores did this.
on top of that a lot of stores didn't get much in the way of product, and had difficulty getting replenished
I think most people who have the mind set of boosters are for drafting are against collectors boosters as well. As those are literally just lootboxes.
Why does a set have to come in randomized packs if you can't do anything with that randomness.
I have to disagree. Intended to be sold and price point it actually sold at were far different in my area. It may have been "great" for you. But it absolutely sucked for me. It should have been offered by big box stores at around a $6.99 "MSRP" and it would have been OK. After tax I am looking at around 10 bucks a pack at my LGS with a possible return of a lot of crap 25 cent rares. I won't do it. The reprints for some of these cards will not drop significantly enough with this type of distribution to benefit me as well. I'm glad it worked out for you, for me not even close.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."