If they dont do one for international MENs Day i file a sexual harassment campaign against them.
I mean, we KNOW they won't. lol This is WOTC we are talking about here. Not that I really care personally though anyways.
All I want is that sweet, sweet, Meren of Clan Nel Toth and Narset, Enlightened Master for my own EDH decks, and I would probably give the others away to friends and family. Assuming I even bother to get one as I am saving up for my marriage.
I want to like these Secret Lair cards but to me it feels more like a scam by Wizards of the Coast for more money even If this one's for charity. I wonder If releasing brand new cards as Secret Lair drops instead of alternate art reprints will be enough to change peoples' minds about this direct-to-consumer business model? Highly doubtful. I would certainly hate for Wizards of the Coast to use this as a tool to push new cards that would otherwise break the Standard format when they should continue with the Modern Horizons model. It might give more players a reason to play Pioneer more with Modern being power creeped into oblivion. Modern has theoretically replaced Legacy cost wise.
I'm starting to think Wizards of the Coast's end goal is to dump as many new MTG products on local distributors and the LGS as they can to where they're unable to sell the product because they don't have time to determine whether or not the product is good or bad based on it's EV (Expected Value). As an end result Wizards of the Coast ends up taking advantage of local distributors and the LGS ordering less product by making sure that they have less margins to work with. The Collectors Editions for Throne of Eldraine and Theros: Beyond Death are a perfect example of this marketing strategy than Secret Lair where it's just direct-to-consumer with a waiting period.
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
"""If they dont do one for international MENs Day i file a sexual harassment campaign against them."""
1) this has nothing to do with harassment. what you mean is discrimination.
2) men can't sue for sexual discrimination (not with any form of success that is)
3) this isn't discrimination either. WotC has every right to donate the money of willing cash-cows to whatever organisation it likes.
I wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised - or upset - if these continued into June. What are the obvious Pride candidates beyond Alesha? Does Ashiok qualify as an ally?
I wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised - or upset - if these continued into June. What are the obvious Pride candidates beyond Alesha? Does Ashiok qualify as an ally?
One of those is significantly less inclusive than the other, but I suspect Tiro wouldn’t mind a few more oily, chiseled man-chests no matter the holiday.
All of you guys saying “i wonder how many these they will do?!”
well cmon isnt it obvious??
any good idea wotc has they ride it until it crashes and burns. They go too d*mn hard too d*mn often and i as wel as many of you are getting super tired of it.
Lets run over things shall we
masters sets
Amazing firdt masters set, great second one. Great idea of doing it once every two days. Oh nope cant just do it right lets have more! More! More!
lottery cards
Awesome expeditions! Awesome inventions! Only in select sets! Wow cool! Ohh psych IN EVERY SET!! BUY IT!!
return to sets
Sweet return to ravnica was amazing i wonder what we’ll return to in another few years! Ohh return innistrad.. ohh and to zendikar..to dominaria.. Umm okay return to ravnica again... okayy and return to zendikar...again..
Full art
Awesome full art cards in select sets! Ohh okay in every set.. welp now in special edition boosters.. in every set..
secret lair!
I hat an awesome idea!.. oh okay second secret lair.. oh wait heres another.. but my..m..my wallet..
for gods sakes.. wotc has got to be so imaginarily bankrupt. They lack any discipline, they have no sense on how to manage ideas, or schedule things properly. Just looking at modern masters it becomes so apparent how little foresight, discipline, and imagination they have. They go TOO D*MN HARD on any good idea. Youd think they learned by now but no. Its not gonna change instead of being meticulous, patient and thoughtful they run with any money maker idea into a wall then lean on the next return to until the next golden egg can be hard boiled cracked, eaten, and s*** out.
They have just overly saturated their market with so much special stuff that now nothing is and i as well as many here have seemed to lost any excitement or enthusiasm. Its a sad day when wotc brings a new special product and the collective response is “..meh” and thats whats its been for a while now. I think thats terrible and they should reevaluate. However, its too late. Theyre too deep in it now to turn back and make normal product again with a dabble of special stuff here and there. We’ll never again see a time when we have to be patient. When enthusiasm was high and special products were absolutely killer. We are fatigued and dare I say it.. its our fault too.
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I wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised - or upset - if these continued into June. What are the obvious Pride candidates beyond Alesha? Does Ashiok qualify as an ally?
I was considering that actually. Alesha, Kynaios ans Tiro, Chandra/Nissa (too soon?) idk. I don’t mind Ashiok. Seems appropriate. Sadly we don’t have Pavios, Thanasis, Hal or Alena as cards for our missing gay couples.
It’s not about permission, it’s about approval. It’s clear that the rest of us need yours before we’re allowed to spend our hard earned money how we see fit, I thought it only fair to reciprocate. Have a blessed day.
I wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised - or upset - if these continued into June. What are the obvious Pride candidates beyond Alesha? Does Ashiok qualify as an ally?
I was considering that actually. Alesha, Kynaios ans Tiro, Chandra/Nissa (too soon?) idk. I don’t mind Ashiok. Seems appropriate. Sadly we don’t have Pavios, Thanasis, Hal or Alena as cards for our missing gay couples.
I’m down for round 2 of Gay Kings. Wasn’t one of the Izzet walkers also gay? I don’t lore (but I do verb - it weirds languages).
A more appropriate reciprocation would have been an equally sarcastic joke. And please YOU have the blessed day my good sir/ma’am/zir/za’am/(your pronoun here)
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If they dont do one for international MENs Day i file a sexual harassment campaign against them.
I mean, we KNOW they won't. lol This is WOTC we are talking about here. Not that I really care personally though anyways.
Just for everyone clamoring for more male representation, I hear WotC is doing an extra special "All Incels Edition" - Ertai, Crovax, and Baral! Stay tuned!
This set seems a pretty good deal for the Sisay, Meren and Ooona, and I like that $25 of the $50 goes to charity.
I wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised - or upset - if these continued into June. What are the obvious Pride candidates beyond Alesha? Does Ashiok qualify as an ally?
I was considering that actually. Alesha, Kynaios ans Tiro, Chandra/Nissa (too soon?) idk. I don’t mind Ashiok. Seems appropriate. Sadly we don’t have Pavios, Thanasis, Hal or Alena as cards for our missing gay couples.
I’m down for round 2 of Gay Kings. Wasn’t one of the Izzet walkers also gay? I don’t lore (but I do verb - it weirds languages).
As I remember character who have cards are;
Ral, Tomik , Chandra, Nissa, Oviya Pashiri, Will Kenrith, Kynaios and Tiro are not straight and Kaya has been hinted at having a female lover in the past. Huatli is seems also has been sleeping over at Saheelis place a lot as well.
Alesha is a trans women.
Xancha identifies as a woman and Karn is casual about being called by male pronouns despite both being born genderless beings.
Yehenni, Gonti and other aether borns are similarly non-gendered and many use they/them for pronouns but though some sometimes identity with being gendered. Hallar the Firefletcher is also non-binary.
It's unknown what or who Ashiok is and with thier magic wrapping thier body its unknown if Ashiok was being a creature with a gender in the first place, though creative has said they/them/Ashiok works fine for pronouns.
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"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
i want to like this product, i really do. it supports a good cause, the cards included are pretty good, and the artwork is fantastic.
that said...
are we going to get these every 2 weeks now, what the ****? slow. this *****. down.
there will come a point where people wash their hands of the game as a whole because of the volume of products released and an inability to keep up with what they want. that's the key point here, inability to keep up with what they want. some people say but you don't have to buy everything! that's true, but most don't see it that way and when it comes to alternate arts and fancy ***** like this people want it. you can't ignore that fact. want goes a long way here.
also don't forget this product is a limited time offer. you miss out, you miss out. that mentality in its own right is exploitable, and we're seeing that here to a degree never before imagined. they're really running with the fomo (fear of missing out) mentality to a degree they've avoided in the past. it will bite them in the ass on a long enough time line but they've clearly taken the lessons of arena to heart and run with it.
its kinda scummy to bump the price up to 50 bucks and then say its to support charity. i've seen a lot of talk over that point, how these went up in price and wotc will be the ones reaping the tax breaks from giving to charity while charging you more. i think there's some, not a lot, but some validity to that point. the cost to print these is most likely negligible, the tax break though will surely be tremendous and they dumped that onto you the consumer.
Do you have evidence to support this claim? All I see is a lot of handwringing over WotC’s new marketing or release schedule, all of it seemingly on principle. In fact, quite a few people here, amongst our local, vocal minority, are obviously happy to give many or most of these a pass. Do you see something I don’t, or are you just projecting?
Do you have evidence to support this claim? All I see is a lot of handwringing over WotC’s new marketing or release schedule, all of it seemingly on principle. In fact, quite a few people here, amongst our local, vocal minority, are obviously happy to give many or most of these a pass. Do you see something I don’t, or are you just projecting?
while i don't have those statistics i feel its incorrect to make that the take away from the argument. its not uncommon to see people complaining about wallet fatigue, you can visibly see that - twitter, instagram, facebook, here, etc. its not uncommon to walk into a game store and hear someone talking about how they have to buy X new product. its not uncommon to see the grab and go packs at big box stores get wiped out. we all have friends that have opted out because they felt they couldn't keep up, we also all have friends that buy everything, and we have friends that don't buy anything but keep playing. people buy stuff, so i think its more important to look at WHY they're buying stuff. so when you see people complaining a set is bad, or that their wallet is hurting, or they stop showing up for events - but product is STILL selling, you have to analyze why that might be instead of just saying wotc done good, we don't have statistics so lets just assume they're doing everything right. i mean, without that data you're restricted to anecdotal evidence and observable effects, that doesn't disqualify them.
Pavios ans Thanasis are my favorite. I hope we see them on cards someday. Damn, with Arixmethes and Callaphe accomplished, I needed a new goal. Muahahahha
I wish Kynaios ans Tiro has individual cards with partner too. Preferably not group hug either.
I don’t think it’s sexist to find this product uninteresting or annoying. But it is what it is tbh I think the general attitude some woke movements have is off putting. Some have the idea of advancing not just for the benefit of a marginalized group, but also at the expense of the other as well. Yes, that is a terrible mentality.
Give Zaliki a CardI must have all the cats!
I mean, we KNOW they won't. lol This is WOTC we are talking about here. Not that I really care personally though anyways.
All I want is that sweet, sweet, Meren of Clan Nel Toth and Narset, Enlightened Master for my own EDH decks, and I would probably give the others away to friends and family. Assuming I even bother to get one as I am saving up for my marriage.
EDH DECKS
Currently under construction
MAGECRAFT STORM
-Veyran, Voice of Duality-
Protection from Degeneracy
Do not pray for an easy life. Pray for the strength to endure a difficult one.
I'm starting to think Wizards of the Coast's end goal is to dump as many new MTG products on local distributors and the LGS as they can to where they're unable to sell the product because they don't have time to determine whether or not the product is good or bad based on it's EV (Expected Value). As an end result Wizards of the Coast ends up taking advantage of local distributors and the LGS ordering less product by making sure that they have less margins to work with. The Collectors Editions for Throne of Eldraine and Theros: Beyond Death are a perfect example of this marketing strategy than Secret Lair where it's just direct-to-consumer with a waiting period.
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
1) this has nothing to do with harassment. what you mean is discrimination.
2) men can't sue for sexual discrimination (not with any form of success that is)
3) this isn't discrimination either. WotC has every right to donate the money of willing cash-cows to whatever organisation it likes.
Secret Lair: St. Patrick's Day
Aisling Leprecaun x4
Lucky Clover
Gemstone Caverns
and then of course...we need SL: Easter
Golden Egg
The Odyssey Eggs
Zodiac Rabbit
I wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised - or upset - if these continued into June. What are the obvious Pride candidates beyond Alesha? Does Ashiok qualify as an ally?
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#BLM
#DefundThePolice
Oh boy, can't wait for SL: Gay Day and SL:May Day
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#BLM
#DefundThePolice
STFU
well cmon isnt it obvious??
any good idea wotc has they ride it until it crashes and burns. They go too d*mn hard too d*mn often and i as wel as many of you are getting super tired of it.
Lets run over things shall we
masters sets
Amazing firdt masters set, great second one. Great idea of doing it once every two days. Oh nope cant just do it right lets have more! More! More!
lottery cards
Awesome expeditions! Awesome inventions! Only in select sets! Wow cool! Ohh psych IN EVERY SET!! BUY IT!!
return to sets
Sweet return to ravnica was amazing i wonder what we’ll return to in another few years! Ohh return innistrad.. ohh and to zendikar..to dominaria.. Umm okay return to ravnica again... okayy and return to zendikar...again..
Full art
Awesome full art cards in select sets! Ohh okay in every set.. welp now in special edition boosters.. in every set..
secret lair!
I hat an awesome idea!.. oh okay second secret lair.. oh wait heres another.. but my..m..my wallet..
for gods sakes.. wotc has got to be so imaginarily bankrupt. They lack any discipline, they have no sense on how to manage ideas, or schedule things properly. Just looking at modern masters it becomes so apparent how little foresight, discipline, and imagination they have. They go TOO D*MN HARD on any good idea. Youd think they learned by now but no. Its not gonna change instead of being meticulous, patient and thoughtful they run with any money maker idea into a wall then lean on the next return to until the next golden egg can be hard boiled cracked, eaten, and s*** out.
They have just overly saturated their market with so much special stuff that now nothing is and i as well as many here have seemed to lost any excitement or enthusiasm. Its a sad day when wotc brings a new special product and the collective response is “..meh” and thats whats its been for a while now. I think thats terrible and they should reevaluate. However, its too late. Theyre too deep in it now to turn back and make normal product again with a dabble of special stuff here and there. We’ll never again see a time when we have to be patient. When enthusiasm was high and special products were absolutely killer. We are fatigued and dare I say it.. its our fault too.
RUAffinityUR
GMono Green StompyG
CEldrazi TronC
URWJeskai GeistWRU
WRBoros BurnRW
BRWMardu PyromancerWRB
RUAffinityUR
GMono Green StompyG
CEldrazi TronC
URWJeskai GeistWRU
WRBoros BurnRW
BRWMardu PyromancerWRB
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
It’s not about permission, it’s about approval. It’s clear that the rest of us need yours before we’re allowed to spend our hard earned money how we see fit, I thought it only fair to reciprocate. Have a blessed day.
---
#BLM
#DefundThePolice
I’m down for round 2 of Gay Kings. Wasn’t one of the Izzet walkers also gay? I don’t lore (but I do verb - it weirds languages).
---
#BLM
#DefundThePolice
RUAffinityUR
GMono Green StompyG
CEldrazi TronC
URWJeskai GeistWRU
WRBoros BurnRW
BRWMardu PyromancerWRB
RUAffinityUR
GMono Green StompyG
CEldrazi TronC
URWJeskai GeistWRU
WRBoros BurnRW
BRWMardu PyromancerWRB
Just for everyone clamoring for more male representation, I hear WotC is doing an extra special "All Incels Edition" - Ertai, Crovax, and Baral! Stay tuned!
This set seems a pretty good deal for the Sisay, Meren and Ooona, and I like that $25 of the $50 goes to charity.
As I remember character who have cards are;
Ral, Tomik , Chandra, Nissa, Oviya Pashiri, Will Kenrith, Kynaios and Tiro are not straight and Kaya has been hinted at having a female lover in the past. Huatli is seems also has been sleeping over at Saheelis place a lot as well.
Alesha is a trans women.
Xancha identifies as a woman and Karn is casual about being called by male pronouns despite both being born genderless beings.
Yehenni, Gonti and other aether borns are similarly non-gendered and many use they/them for pronouns but though some sometimes identity with being gendered. Hallar the Firefletcher is also non-binary.
It's unknown what or who Ashiok is and with thier magic wrapping thier body its unknown if Ashiok was being a creature with a gender in the first place, though creative has said they/them/Ashiok works fine for pronouns.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
It really is actually. Saskia the Unyielding and Narset, Enlightened Master is just a great bonus too, hence my earlier comment of wanting her. I love the artwork on all of them.
EDH DECKS
Currently under construction
MAGECRAFT STORM
-Veyran, Voice of Duality-
Protection from Degeneracy
Do not pray for an easy life. Pray for the strength to endure a difficult one.
that said...
are we going to get these every 2 weeks now, what the ****? slow. this *****. down.
there will come a point where people wash their hands of the game as a whole because of the volume of products released and an inability to keep up with what they want. that's the key point here, inability to keep up with what they want. some people say but you don't have to buy everything! that's true, but most don't see it that way and when it comes to alternate arts and fancy ***** like this people want it. you can't ignore that fact. want goes a long way here.
also don't forget this product is a limited time offer. you miss out, you miss out. that mentality in its own right is exploitable, and we're seeing that here to a degree never before imagined. they're really running with the fomo (fear of missing out) mentality to a degree they've avoided in the past. it will bite them in the ass on a long enough time line but they've clearly taken the lessons of arena to heart and run with it.
its kinda scummy to bump the price up to 50 bucks and then say its to support charity. i've seen a lot of talk over that point, how these went up in price and wotc will be the ones reaping the tax breaks from giving to charity while charging you more. i think there's some, not a lot, but some validity to that point. the cost to print these is most likely negligible, the tax break though will surely be tremendous and they dumped that onto you the consumer.
Do you have evidence to support this claim? All I see is a lot of handwringing over WotC’s new marketing or release schedule, all of it seemingly on principle. In fact, quite a few people here, amongst our local, vocal minority, are obviously happy to give many or most of these a pass. Do you see something I don’t, or are you just projecting?
---
#BLM
#DefundThePolice
while i don't have those statistics i feel its incorrect to make that the take away from the argument. its not uncommon to see people complaining about wallet fatigue, you can visibly see that - twitter, instagram, facebook, here, etc. its not uncommon to walk into a game store and hear someone talking about how they have to buy X new product. its not uncommon to see the grab and go packs at big box stores get wiped out. we all have friends that have opted out because they felt they couldn't keep up, we also all have friends that buy everything, and we have friends that don't buy anything but keep playing. people buy stuff, so i think its more important to look at WHY they're buying stuff. so when you see people complaining a set is bad, or that their wallet is hurting, or they stop showing up for events - but product is STILL selling, you have to analyze why that might be instead of just saying wotc done good, we don't have statistics so lets just assume they're doing everything right. i mean, without that data you're restricted to anecdotal evidence and observable effects, that doesn't disqualify them.
Pavios ans Thanasis are my favorite. I hope we see them on cards someday. Damn, with Arixmethes and Callaphe accomplished, I needed a new goal. Muahahahha
I wish Kynaios ans Tiro has individual cards with partner too. Preferably not group hug either.
I don’t think it’s sexist to find this product uninteresting or annoying. But it is what it is tbh I think the general attitude some woke movements have is off putting. Some have the idea of advancing not just for the benefit of a marginalized group, but also at the expense of the other as well. Yes, that is a terrible mentality.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||